Why does Court not get more consideration for best ever?

[anointedone]

Whenever I hear talk of who is the greatest women player of all time I hear Navratilova, Graf, Evert, as the ones brought up. Why is Margaret Court not brought up more? She has the most slams ever in singles, the most slams ever in doubles. She is one of only 3 women to ever manage the Calander Slam, something neither Navratilova or Evert managed. She probably faced better overall competition then any of Evert, Graf, or Navratilova. She faced not only Billie Jean King, but Bueno and Goolagong as well.

I am not saying Court should definitely be who you pick as the best ever, or that she is even neccessarily who my pick is. Just funny that she isnt brought up as being a serious option more.

Not to mention she ended her rivalry with King 22-10. Which other great has dominated their fellow all-time great rival, their greatest rival, to that extent.

[FiveO]

In "the books" of most people aware of her existence she is considered.

In my book the three female G.O.A.T.s are, in no particular order:

Court
Navratilova
Graf

[anointedone]

Originally Posted by FiveO

In "the books" of most people aware of her existence she is considered.

In my book the three female G.O.A.T.s are, in no particular order:

Court
Navratilova
Graf

So do you think most people just dont know enough about her great career since she was too far in the past, and being a non-American who is a bit too far in the past makes her even more obsolete over here?

[tomzo22]

I have never heard of her....

[krprunitennis2]

Oooh I saw the movie: When "Billie Beat Bobby." Is that how she looked like?

[FiveO]

Originally Posted by anointedone

So do you think most people just dont know enough about her great career since she was too far in the past, and being a non-American who is a bit too far in the past makes her even more obsolete over here?

Like most other sports, many of today's players don't even know the shoulders of the giants they stand on.

[max]

This is really a very good question!

[theace21]

Lack of media attention. When Billie Jean King came along, she was all about promotion of herself and tennis (really women sports).

You never even hear from Court anymore.

[TennisandMusic]

Also she won many of her majors before the open era right? I think that's a fair part in diminishing her "stature."

[anointedone]

Originally Posted by TennisandMusic

Also she won many of her majors before the open era right? I think that's a fair part in diminishing her "stature."

That is true, but I dont think that means as much for the women. The men seemed much more prone to the players who were still the best turning pro and being excluded from the Grand Slams. Well there were no women who were "pro" at the time who were better then her. That open tennis thing seemed to mean more for the guys then the girls.

[urban]

For some reasons, Court wasn't really liked by the tennis media, especially not by the US media, who had their darlings in King or Evert (I am not anti-American in any way). She is a bit the equivalent of Lendl in some ways.The British like Bellamy or Barrett had always great respect for Court, but the US writers and commentators described her style often as clumsy or slow or mechanical or so on. She was naturally shy, the complete opposition to the gracious Bueno or the extrovert King, who was adulated by the US media. Her sceptical position on womens lib, and later some comments about Navratilova did her no good in the press. In fact, with her athletic conditioning, she revolutionized womens tennis as much as Martina in the 80s, but recieved much less appreciation.

[AndrewD]

#1. She wasn't American
#2. She wasn't cute
#3. She wasn't quotable
#4. She wasn't American.

[Mad iX]

Even in Australia, almost nobody has heard of her.
All I know is that she has won the most slams.

[Yours!05]

Originally Posted by Mad iX

Even in Australia, almost nobody has heard of her.

Are you meaning people in your age group? If so, what would that be?

[diggler]

Margaret Court was so good that they named the tennis playing surface after her.

She would have to rank as one of the greatest. She was very athletic. As said before, she is not American and quite a while ago.

I think she is a hard core Christian nowadays.

They named one of the outside courts at the Australian Open after her.

It's a bit uneven. Rod Laver got the big arena, Vodafone the sponsor got the smaller indoor court and Margaret Cort got the next court.

Where does Seles rank by the way? Wasn't she beating Graf before the incident. Sorry to open a can of worms.

[Warriorroger]

Court won eleven of her 24 GS finals of the same surfaces: grass, yet in Australia, where many of the toppplayers didn't go to. Navratilova mde the women's game fitter and faster, Steffi introduced the power game which Monica improved on on both sides.

Even without the stabbing Graf mastered all four surfaces. It is hard to rank Navratilova and Graf, both have achieved so much yet in different ways.

[alwaysatnet]

Margaret Court Smith was about as charismatic as a can of tuna, despite her tennis excellence. If her career had been centered in New York instead of Australia her name would be much more famous.
But as one poster put it, she is a devout Christian and that has made her a pariah in some circles. She lost to Bobby Riggs and B.J. King didn't.
She doesn't seek the limelight.

All that being said, she should get a lot more attention than she does. Her record cannot be denied.

[slice bh compliment]

Originally Posted by diggler

Margaret Court was so good that they named the tennis playing surface after her...

Nice one. In light of this discovery, and with all respect to Mrs. Court, if I ever buy a house with a tennis court on property, I will look into a change in the vernacular.

Usually we try to resurface the Laver every 4 or 5 years.
I'm off to sweep the Budge, honey.
Yeah, there's nothin' like a cold beer or two after a nice warm afternoon on the Hoad.
Why don't all three of you come over. We've just got one Gonzalez at the house, so we can take turns playing singles, then end with a set of dubs.
You want to rollerblade on the Navratilova? Uh, no.
Honey, should we plant some ivy over by the Rosewall?

I think we all remember Mrs. Court, but the recency factor...the media...and public perception all play into this. AndrewD, you could be onto something with the American thing. The nerve of that lady to not hail from our shores.

Yours05, how are you, man!!?? Good you weighed in. We miss you around here.

[AndrewD]

Originally Posted by Mad iX

Even in Australia, almost nobody has heard of her.
All I know is that she has won the most slams.

Almost nobody? Sorry mate, the average Australian is no Rhodes Scholar but we aren't that stupid. Even the casual observer who knows nothing about tennis and doesn't care about the game, has heard of Margaret Court and Rod Laver (you could add Goolagong and Newcombe).

Anyway, rather than being willing to settle for "all I know is she won the most..", take 5 minutes out of your day and look her up on the internet/


TennisandMusic,

If we say that tennis went 'Open' in 1968 (it really didn't for the women), then Court won 11 singles majors - including the 1970 Grand Slam-, 10 doubles majors (1 win away from a Grand Slam in 1973, same year she won 3 of the 4 singles majors) and 7 mixed titles (she'd already won the Grand Slam in mixed in 1963 and 1965).

Slice,

Court should have been an icon of the women's movement as she was a working mother (was pregnant during the 73 season). However, she was too much the traditionalist and didn't fit the zeitgeist (didn't believe in women's lib or the pro tour). As a result, she was pushed to one side and happily forgotten by a press contingent that found Evert an easier story to sell to a public they don't trust.

It's a real shame as Court/ King (King and Court: sounds like a good name for a book) was always a better story than Ever-Navratilova. Sadly, no-one was smart enough to see it (King the anti-establishment heroine doing her best at the home of stuffiness- Wimbledon. Court, a traditionalist par excellence, excelling in the crazy world of late 60's, early 70's America. King, the egoist, sacrificing her career to push Evert through as the symbol of women's tennis. Court, the anti-libber, showing that women could have it all, by giving birth and returning to the tour).

Court's status isn't the fault of the American people but is due to most all of the tennis press, from the late 60's onwards, being American and ill-equipped to write about women's tennis (or women's sport) from a purely sporting angle. They needed nationalism or sex - Evert gave them both, Goolagong the latter.

The irony is that BJK, who was happy to push Evert, Goolagong and Navratilova (in the same way Kramer always talked up the guys on his tour and people took his comments to be lacking in bias), has greatly diminished her own achievements.

[Yours!05]

Yes, the grass is for cows and who does wimbledon think it is threads help keep me awake this time of year, by Jingo.
Also like to make sure no-one speaks the truth about Molik's prospects. Keepin the dream alive.
Nice job with the eponyms. Accurate reflection of tennis history too, with more Aussies than Seppos.

Andrew, onya for never failing to remind about Court. Did you see Australian Story about Kenny Fletcher where she managed to make a couple of good stories dull?