Who has the most wristy/nonwristy forehand?

[jmsx521]

Originally Posted by vive le beau jeu !

what about berasategui ?
he had a wrist-destructor FH !

Yes, without a doubt! He makes the rest of the wristy-FH-tour-players look like beginners.

[Jackie T. Stephens]

Originally Posted by brayman9

most wristy is definetly not federer.

Federer uses nothing but wrist!!!!

[ShooterMcMarco]

At the contact point, Federer's wrist is laid back just like 100% of the top pros. Definitely not wristy. He might relax it into the shot, but it isn't a conscious fling or snap into the ball.

[mileslong]

Non-wristy: Would Stepanek qualify?

that is exactly who i was thinking about..

federer uses a ton of wrist. anyone that hits a hard forehand no doubt uses a lot of wrist regardless of topspin because that is where all the power is released just like a golf swing. if you dont use much wrist you get very little power released regardless of how strong you are.

"Definitely not wristy. He might relax it into the shot, but it isn't a conscious fling or snap into the ball."

i couldn't disagree more, if you watch his forehand in slow motion you will see a smooth stroke coming up to the ball then right as he releases his wrist the racket moves incredibly quick to the point it almost looks like full speed video and not slow motion. thats not arm movement causing that incredible increase in speed thats his wrists. every announcer i have heard says he has the fastest racket speed in the game.

[ShooterMcMarco]

Originally Posted by mileslong

i couldn't disagree more, if you watch his forehand in slow motion you will see a smooth stroke coming up to the ball then right as he releases his wrist the racket moves incredibly quick to the point it almost looks like full speed video and not slow motion. thats not arm movement causing that incredible increase in speed thats his wrists. every announcer i have heard says he has the fastest racket speed in the game.

You can accelerate the racquet very fast without using wrist by using your legs, hips and torso rotation (IOW the kinetic chain).

Maybe you can explain this to me:



That doesn't look wristy at all to me.

[stormholloway]

Federer's forehand is wristy. His grip is close to eastern so it's not going to be as wristy as Nadal or Andreev though.

Even Becker commented on Federer's use of the wrist in the Federer documentary. Federer's wrist breaks before contact then rolls over, but his grip doesn't allow for an extreme wrist action.

The least wristy? John McEnroe.

[ShooterMcMarco]

Top teachers (Yandell, Bungalo, Mojo, Jeff Counts and Mahboob) discussing the role of the wrist and how Federer's forehand isn't wristy:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=15518

[EricW]

Originally Posted by str33t

He probably uses the least amount of wrist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNPaZj4yn00

Hahaha! You're telling me FEDERER has the least wristy forehand on the tour? It's the opposite, he's definitely top 3 or so. Nadal being 1

To the people posting pictures/vids of Federer hitting non-wristy forehands:

Federer and all other pros can hit their forehand many different ways, including no wrist movement. I always think it's hilarious whe people have debates on if a certain player moves his wrist during a forehand and they keep posting vids of the player, hitting the type of forehand they think that player hits all the time. Thats just not the case, you can take any player and if you get tons of slow motion vids you can find one with no wrist movement, no matter how much they use wrist movement when they blast topspin forehands on the baseline..\

Sure you guys can post Fed hitting a forehand in a certain situation, having no wrist movement, but the fact remains that Federer uses a lot of wrist action (more than most) on many of his topspin forehands

No one whose a member to hi-techtennis.com can tell me that Federer doesn't use a lot of wrist action:

http://www.hi-techtennis.com/forehand/federer/index.php

[keithchircop]

Originally Posted by ShooterMcMarco

Top teachers (Yandell, Bungalo, Mojo, Jeff Counts and Mahboob) discussing the role of the wrist and how Federer's forehand isn't wristy:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=15518

Top teachers? I wonder why people listen to all this info and "advice" from people they don't know, never met, and will never meet, as opposed to spending some bucks on lessons. Lessons during which you can REALLY see if the coach knows what he's talking about. Your top teacher should be YOUR coach, not some stranger on the internet.

[Alafter]

Originally Posted by keithchircop

Top teachers? I wonder why people listen to all this info and "advice" from people they don't know, never met, and will never meet, as opposed to spending some bucks on lessons. Lessons during which you can REALLY see if the coach knows what he's talking about. Your top teacher should be YOUR coach, not some stranger on the internet.

I have a sugar daddy on the internet. I don't know who he is.

He makes me feel durrrrty.

[keithchircop]

Originally Posted by Alafter

I have a sugar daddy on the internet. I don't know who he is.

He makes me feel durrrrty.

Again, I suggest spending some money on a proper dominatrix who'll teach you the intricacies of BDSM.

[kimizz]

Originally Posted by keithchircop

Top teachers? I wonder why people listen to all this info and "advice" from people they don't know, never met, and will never meet, as opposed to spending some bucks on lessons. Lessons during which you can REALLY see if the coach knows what he's talking about. Your top teacher should be YOUR coach, not some stranger on the internet.

I dont know if it matters that a stranger gives advice as long as its improving your game. If you ever read the sticky threads in the tips/instructions section you would realize how good info there is!

Wristy !!Looking!! FHs:Henin, Federer Nadal...Maybe Nadal is the top contender.

[helloworld]

Originally Posted by ShooterMcMarco

Top teachers (Yandell, Bungalo, Mojo, Jeff Counts and Mahboob) discussing the role of the wrist and how Federer's forehand isn't wristy:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=15518

I don't know what kind of top teachers they are, but this is just completely wrong. I've been trained in junior tennis academy before and my coach always told me to use the wrist on the forehand AND serve. Putting body weight into the shot is easy, but snapping the wrist with perfect timing is what I'm still struggling to do...

[dima]

Originally Posted by helloworld

I don't know what kind of top teachers they are, but this is just completely wrong. I've been trained in junior tennis academy before and my coach always told me to use the wrist on the forehand AND serve. Putting body weight into the shot is easy, but snapping the wrist with perfect timing is what I'm still struggling to do...

Well James Blake does say not to use the wrist on the forehand, I just cant find the video

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by helloworld

I don't know what kind of top teachers they are, but this is just completely wrong. I've been trained in junior tennis academy before and my coach always told me to use the wrist on the forehand AND serve. Putting body weight into the shot is easy, but snapping the wrist with perfect timing is what I'm still struggling to do...

That is because your coach was wrong. I am not asking you to believe me(us) but if you have been struggling with something for a while, I suggest you find another coach. You shouldn't even be thinking about using your wrist, it is just along for the ride. All snapping your wrist will do is rob power and spin as well as ruin your timing.

Please lets not start an argument here, and derail this thread.

J

[Povl Carstensen]

This properly has been covered, but heres my take: The wrist has to be relaxed to be an optimum part of the whole stroke. If you try to muscle the ball with your wrist youre in trouble (fx in volleying). But even a relaxed wrist can move the racket, adjusting position, and making the last release of power into the ball. Its like cracking a whip, if you do it unrelaxed, and untimed, nothing happens. But when the whole chain of power is done timed and relaxed you get maximum effect. The pros ability to time this, especially Federers, is amazing. And although some might say that it is not benificial for us mortals to emulate this, I find it fascinating. Who doesent want a relaxed, flowing game? As Federer once said, Its about syncronizing yourself to the ball.

[EricW]

I think a lot of people on here are confused at what we mean by a wristy forehand, none of us mean a forehand that the wrist is snapped forward with the wrist muscles... we mean when you relax, generate extremely high swingspeed, and let the wrist lag behind the arm, and it naturally "catches up", which results in you feeling like the ball is on the string for longer, and if done right you get a much more solid controlled feeling on the ball.

Also remember pros hit both ways depending on the situation and type of shot, so don't pull up Federer hitting a forehand with no wrist thinking you've just proved your point, because you havent..

[JRProstaf9]

Ever watch mara santangelo (from Italy) play... full on eastern if not continental grip on her forehand side...

[drakulie]

No pro uses their wrist in the forehand. It is laid back before, during, and immediately after contact.

And by the way, for the poster who stated mojo as a "top teacher">>> he actually advocates snapping the wrist forward, so he has no clue what he is talking about.

[brayman9]

i am getting 50/50 here some say i am an idiot while others agree