Is Davydenko really the 4th Best in the world.

[saram]

Originally Posted by Rodditha

Davydenko always loses in 1st round of Wimbledon and AO. He haven't done anything flashy in a GS. Roddick will take back his 4th and 3rd place.

Ridiculous statement.

He made the semi's of last two out of three slams and only lost to Roger and Roger. He also had a break in 5 of six sets against Roger--something others had just as tough of a time to do. Had Davy held serve in those sets he broke Roger, he would have played Rafa and Novak in the finals. When was the last time Andy made it to the semi's of a GS????

[Nadal_Freak]

Originally Posted by MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

^^^^^

Come on now, aside from Roddick's serve what else would you consider not useless about his game besides determination?

Off the ground Davydenko is one of the best with the way he takes the ball so early on both wings, his serve may somewhat be a liability. But Davydenko deserves his ranking, and unlike Roddick has put in the effort to play on ALL surfaces.

All except grass. Grass isn't that big but still that is where Davydenko seems to struggle most.

[saram]

Originally Posted by Rodditha

Nobody in the universe can say that Davydenko has a shot at a GS whereas Roddick yes, he still has a shot. Davydenko is like Dementieva and Hantuchova, they are useless players in the top 10, Robredo too, they are just there.

Roddick has become useless outside of his press conferences...

[MEAC_ALLAMERICAN]

Originally Posted by Nadal_Freak

All except grass. Grass isn't that big but still that is where Davydenko seems to struggle most.

Notice I stated in a prior post that he has a horrible grass court record, also I said EFFORT to play on all surfaces. I don't see Roddick excelling on the red dirt anytime soon.

[Nadal_Freak]

Originally Posted by MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

Notice I stated that in a prior post, also I said EFFORT.

Ah yeah true. Roddick always gives a half hearted effort during the clay season.

[andyroddick1]

Originally Posted by saram

Ridiculous statement.

He made the semi's of last two out of three slams and only lost to Roger and Roger. He also had a break in 5 of six sets against Roger--something others had just as tough of a time to do. Had Davy held serve in those sets he broke Roger, he would have played Rafa and Novak in the finals. When was the last time Andy made it to the semi's of a GS????

Yes, Davy has made more semis, but Roddick has also had bad luck. If A-Rod had not had to play Fed in the Quarters he would have most probably mad the semi's and if you were watching that Gasquet match, you would have noticed that Gasquet was playing the match of his life. I mean, he hasn't ever been able to escape Fed's side of the draw once this year, so lay off a bit on Davy always makes the semi's because Roddick has had a lot of bad luck with his quarters.

[Rodditha]

I think that evrytime clays season arrives Roddick is not making no effort, he is totally absent, he is waiting impaciently for grass season, he isn't fighting, just watch the difference of attitude during the US Open and the FO. Roddick should get some motivation when clay season arrives.

[Nadal_Freak]

Originally Posted by andyroddick1

Yes, Davy has made more semis, but Roddick has also had bad luck. If A-Rod had not had to play Fed in the Quarters he would have most probably mad the semi's and if you were watching that Gasquet match, you would have noticed that Gasquet was playing the match of his life. I mean, he hasn't ever been able to escape Fed's side of the draw once this year, so lay off a bit on Davy always makes the semi's because Roddick has had a lot of bad luck with his quarters.

Funny how everyone plays such a great match when they play Roddick. I guess Roddick's game seems to help players into a great rhythm. He doesn't take the ball early and he doesn't hit a ton of spin.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by Duzza

So? Why don't all the other players play as many tournaments just to have more points than him? Probably because their body can't handle it.

BTW, when *2005* did Roddick *2005* last play *2005* Nikolay?

How does Davydenko earn other than playing tourneys? Exhibitions, nah..........................snap, bet you can't think of another source of income.

[andyroddick1]

Originally Posted by Nadal_Freak

Funny how everyone plays such a great match when they play Roddick. I guess Roddick's game seems to help players into a great rhythm. He doesn't take the ball early and he doesn't hit a ton of spin.

Notice how Fed has really never come into a A-Rod match without his A game. I mean he played an A game in the US Open Final with a couple game let downs. In Masters, he played an A- for the first set and then elevated to A. At the AO he played his A+ or best that he can play sort of game. In the U.S. he played A the entire match.

[Nadal_Freak]

Originally Posted by andyroddick1

Notice how Fed has really never come into a A-Rod match without his A game. I mean he played an A game in the US Open Final with a couple game let downs. In Masters, he played an A- for the first set and then elevated to A. At the AO he played his A+ or best that he can play sort of game. In the U.S. he played A the entire match.

Yeah to beat Federer you must take it high to his backhand or just do better what he does which isn't likely. Djokovic might eventually be able to do better than Federer does but not for a while.

Davy is awesome, like everyone said he does works extra HARD to keep his spot, even tho he looses against top players most of the time. You have to give him the credit tho, he is just that good

[edmondsm]

Originally Posted by Alex132

Davy is awesome, like everyone said he does works extra HARD to keep his spot, even tho he looses against top players most of the time. You have to give him the credit tho, he is just that good

Ditto. If the guy can play every week of the year and make a couple GS semis along the way why shouldn't he be the number 4 player. It wasn't that long ago that that would have gotten you to #2 or even #1 in the world.

[Chang]

Davydenko is underrated. i think he's quite good. Sure, he doesn't have very much power but tennis isn't all about power. He gets beat by some of the top 10 players but he's still more consistent. he plays a lot of tournaments because he has the physical stamina. He won the matches required so he deserves the top 4

[seestern]

Originally Posted by andyroddick1

My point is Roddick beats people ranked lower than him normally. He could beat pretty much anyone but Federer and Djokovic on a consistent basis. He is kind of tied with Nadal in my opinion on grass, better on hard, way way worse on clay.

Right now, plx dont compare Roddick and Nadal. Forget clay, Nadal is much better than him on grass, and how to H2H on hard courts?

[seestern]

Originally Posted by Rodditha

Nobody in the universe can say that Davydenko has a shot at a GS whereas Roddick yes, he still has a shot. Davydenko is like Dementieva and Hantuchova, they are useless players in the top 10, Robredo too, they are just there.

I can say Davy has a shot at a GS if the top three somehow strike bc of whatever reason from APT
Roddick???, I say NO
saw him play in USO 2007, if not Fed, who could own him that easily????

[anointedone]

Originally Posted by Nadal_Freak

Funny how everyone plays such a great match when they play Roddick. I guess Roddick's game seems to help players into a great rhythm. He doesn't take the ball early and he doesn't hit a ton of spin.

Bingo! It is like people talk about how bad people seem to play vs Nadal. Well Nadal is so hard to play well against since he hits such a heavy ball and he makes the court seem small with his defensive prowess. Roddick is easy to have nice clean stats against, the hardest part is weathering all the free points from his serve, and not allowing that one lapse game to lose you the set.

[0d1n]

Originally Posted by Eviscerator

Repeat after me... No pro in the top of the ATP Tour rankings is average, No pro in the top of the ATP Tour rankings is average, No pro in the top of the ATP Tour rankings is average

The point I am trying to make is that the terms, average, sucks, is ok, stinks, marginal, etc., cannot be applied to the top players in the world.

I am not a fan of Blake's playing style, but he still manages to win enough matches to hold a high rank. The same is true of Davydenko, regardless of his style of play (which many people find boring), he is still an great player, as is any of the top guys.

I try not to use terms like "sucks" or "stinks" when talking about pro tennis players simply because I know that being even in the top 500 in the WORLD is an incredible achievement. I know this because I've been beaten too many times by players who ARE NOT world class players by any stretch of the imagination.
I take your point, nobody in the top 10 is average per se...otherwise they wouldn't be top 10. However...his GAME is average or even bellow average (FOR A PRO TENNIS PLAYER !) on all surfaces except hard court. That's ALL I can give you , if you don't agree...that's life ... I think we can both live with disagreeing on this particular point.
PS (this is not for you Eviscerator ... from your posts I've seen enough to know you don't require this type of clarification ... but some DO )
I hope everybody here understands that using even terms like "average" in the context of Blake...or any pro tennis player is NOT EQUIVALENT to using it when comparing with regular people ... hence please don't come back with replies like "are you good enough to beat x and y pro"? I'm perfectly capable of understanding that I'm probably not good enough to take a single game from somebody ranked even in the top 1000 ...

[0d1n]

Originally Posted by andyroddick1

My point is Roddick beats people ranked lower than him normally. He could beat pretty much anyone but Federer and Djokovic on a consistent basis. He is kind of tied with Nadal in my opinion on grass, better on hard, way way worse on clay.

Same can be said about Davydenko

Originally Posted by andyroddick1

Yes, Davy has made more semis, but Roddick has also had bad luck. If A-Rod had not had to play Fed in the Quarters he would have most probably mad the semi's [/b] and if you were watching that Gasquet match, you would have noticed that Gasquet was playing the match of his life. I mean, he hasn't ever been able to escape Fed's side of the draw once this year, so lay off a bit on Davy always makes the semi's because Roddick has had a lot of bad luck with his quarters.

Funny how you can see that when it comes to Roddick but not when it comes to Davydenko. Please have a look at this...a pretty solid argument can be made with the fact that for all you know Davydenko could have won 3 grand slams and some Master Series events if Federer wouldn't exist (the same can be said about other people as well ).
Have a look at this please :


ATP, Davis Cup and Grand Slam Main Draw Results 2007
US Open NY, U.S.A.
Hard
S
Federer
7-5 6-1 7-5
Stats
2007

Roland Garros France
Clay
S
Federer
7-5 7-6(5) 7-6(7)
Stats
2006

US Open NY, U.S.A.
Hard
S
Federer
6-1 7-5 6-4
Stats
2006

Australian Open Australia
Hard
Q
Federer
6-4 3-6 7-6(7) 7-6(5)
Stats
2005

ATP Masters Series Hamburg
Germany
Clay
S
Federer
6-3 6-4
Stats

This info is from Davydenko's head to head against Federer. Care to count the important matches he lost to Federer ... all or most of which were in HUGE tournaments ???

Originally Posted by andyroddick1

Notice how Fed has really never come into a A-Rod match without his A game. I mean he played an A game in the US Open Final with a couple game let downs. In Masters, he played an A- for the first set and then elevated to A. At the AO he played his A+ or best that he can play sort of game. In the U.S. he played A the entire match.

Are you suggesting that Federer "brings his F game" when playing Davy and his A game when playing Rodick ?? Care to back that up with something ... anything???!

[Rhino]

Originally Posted by Rodditha

Nobody in the universe can say that Davydenko has a shot at a GS whereas Roddick yes, he still has a shot.

I think Davydenko has a better shot at the French than Roddick has at the US Open.