• Twitter
  • Facebook
  • Blog
  • Blogs
  • FAQ

Go Back   Talk Tennis > Miscellaneous > Tennis Tips/Instruction
Reload this Page Abandoning the percentages
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-20-2004, 07:47 PM   #1
Kobble
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,256
Default Abandoning the percentages

Has anyone ever just got sick of playing the percentages? It just gets boring when you do it for a prolonged period of time. I have decided that I am going to just smoke the ball tomorrow. Forget about working the point until you get an opening. When you beat the same oponent the same way everytime it can get real dull. I feel like Tin Cup, Par just isn't good enough. I am just going to serve my biggest, and try to brutalize every return. It is going to be a blast.
Kobble is offline   Reply With Quote
Kobble
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Kobble
Old 03-20-2004, 08:50 PM   #2
VTL
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I was wondering about something similar. If you worked hard and nearly perfected a particular "low percentage" shot, wouldn't that shot be considered high percentage? I heard something say on this board that "everything is relative." I guess this applies to percentage play as well?
  Reply With Quote
VTL
Old 03-20-2004, 11:39 PM   #3
jayserinos99
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,742
Default

i play very low percentage when i'm playing practice sets. not try to serve big or brutalize every return, but play some really oddball shots strategically (drop shot return for example).
jayserinos99 is offline   Reply With Quote
jayserinos99
View Public Profile
Visit jayserinos99's homepage!
Find More Posts by jayserinos99
Old 03-21-2004, 01:06 AM   #4
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
 
Bungalo Bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 11,885
Default

LOL

Playing the percentages does get rather boring. I remember an old saying Vic Braden used to say and that is just go out there and hit that same old boring winner. When your holding up the trophey you will be glad you did.

Go ahead and just smack low percentage shots around and do it until you get frustrated missing! Have fun though.
__________________
Former USPTA Teaching Professional
Volkl Tour 10 V-Engine Mid/Luxilon Big Banger
Bungalo Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Bungalo Bill
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Bungalo Bill
Old 03-21-2004, 04:21 AM   #5
ma2t
Rookie
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 142
Default Getting higher and higher

Quote:
Originally Posted by VTL
I was wondering about something similar. If you worked hard and nearly perfected a particular "low percentage" shot, wouldn't that shot be considered high percentage? I heard something say on this board that "everything is relative." I guess this applies to percentage play as well?
But your "low percentage shot" that you've turned into a "higher percentage shot" would still not be as high percentage as a "high percentage shot" turned into a "still higher percentage" shot without working as hard!
ma2t is offline   Reply With Quote
ma2t
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by ma2t
Old 03-21-2004, 05:05 AM   #6
Grimjack
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,440
Default

Hey man, unless you're a pro, and winning is the only way to put food on the table for your family, having a good time is a lot more important than winning. Do what it takes. Sometimes going a little nutty out there can be refreshing!

Try not to kill anybody, and good luck.
Grimjack is offline   Reply With Quote
Grimjack
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Grimjack
Old 03-21-2004, 07:44 AM   #7
msn
New User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 42
Default

If you're beating the same guy over and over again, perhaps you just need to upgrade your opponents.

You can certainly use weaker opponents to practice less common shots, but I just don't see how you can get much satisfaction from beating the same guy over and over.
msn is offline   Reply With Quote
msn
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by msn
Old 03-21-2004, 09:41 AM   #8
Kobble
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,256
Default

The opponent I will play, if he doesn't get scared and stand me up, is the real arrogant punk I posted about once before. I try to be as humble as possible when I play anyone, and I usually just do enough to get the job done against this particular player. He is still a jerk, and he seems to believe I am just getting lucky. Even if I have won 9 of the last 11 times. Now he is resorting to petty tactics like standing me up at the last moment. I feel like I need to take away what little dignity he has left one last time. He used to attempt to bother me into losing with junk balls, and other low tactics like never hitting to a certain wing in practice. It has become the same old crap. I hit the returns to the most open part of the court he throws in some short slice that never comes up above the net, then I hit an approach shot and volley away the weak reply. Or, I get into a backhand rally and break him down. He is scared to hit from the baseline with me anymore, and that makes it really dull. I usually start off slow until I find my range, but this time I am going to practice before the match with a quality player, and then try to go out firing. Hopefully, I will do every tennis player on planet earth a favor by beating him so bad he never steps onto a court again.
Kobble is offline   Reply With Quote
Kobble
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Kobble
Old 03-21-2004, 04:26 PM   #9
brijoel
Rookie
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 277
Default

i was hitting with a guy a couple days ago.....took it very easy, hell even let up to give him a few extra balls during practice trying to be a good sport and let allow him to warm up since i was out there before he was. he proceeded to clock one or two balls off the softer replies i gave to simply keep a rally going and did one of those pumping motions with his fist like he'd made some big point, which i thought was rather odd. so we started hitting a little more and picked up the pace still just just rallying. i hit a soft chip back to him on his side of the court after pulling him way off the court and he hits it up the line as hard as he could for a winner, LOL.
i was just thinking oooooook.....especially considering i hate rallying since staying in the back court isnt my style.
i was a lil frustrated at this point, and politely asked if he wanted to play a few games.


.....i cant remember the last time i was so hard on someone, lol. i was into the net on almost every single point off my serve it seemed like, putting every single volley away HARD , and chip and charging his serve to death.
4 games into it, after him seeing to run just fine, he calls it quits because his quad was sore.....
so i said sure ok nice game, shook hands and watched him walk off the court without a limp or anything. lol


kobble, i say go for it. make him wish he never opened his mouth, hehe. if it means he gets one or two points from errors off you so be it, but just pummel him till he takes back his smack talk.

arrogance in tennis players ive met lately is rediculous. so forgive me if i sound overly harsh
brijoel is offline   Reply With Quote
brijoel
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by brijoel
Old 03-21-2004, 08:45 PM   #10
Kobble
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,256
Default

Brijoel,what is with their injuries? The same thing happened to me today. I had a poor start, and he was beating me early. Then when I found my range and cut back the errors he quit with an injury, not allowing me to complete the victory. I felt like I had cement on my feet and still battled through it, despite struggling to hit the shots I wanted. I think he is faking, because he looked surprised when I acknowledged is injury as legitimate.
Kobble is offline   Reply With Quote
Kobble
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Kobble
Old 03-21-2004, 09:36 PM   #11
@wright
Hall Of Fame
 
@wright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,568
Send a message via AIM to @wright
Default

That makes me soooooo mad for you guys. In high school there was a kid on our team who would act like he had to leave before you could finish him off. His ride always got there at the most inopportune times for his opponent. And his ride was impatient, I suppose, because he had to leave as soon as his ride got there. The guy died in a car accident about 4 years after the last time I played tennis with him, so all the gamesmanship seems kind of irrelevant now. If you're ahead and the other person leaves, they gave up and you win no matter what...
__________________
Proudly donning the Nadal avatar until Fed either wins Roland Garros, or serves Nadal a bagel.
@wright is offline   Reply With Quote
@wright
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by @wright
Old 03-21-2004, 09:43 PM   #12
brijoel
Rookie
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 277
Default

yea, the injury thing is rediculous when people fake it. hell, ive played on a twisted ankle just to finish a match before. my trainer wasnt happy, but i was, lol. so the whole injury thing bugs me, and believe me, ive had numerous people do the frivolous injury bail out. i had my pro that i taught with do that to me once even cause he was having trouble returning my serve that day. he walked off the court without speaking to me hahaha. i was only up one game too.
brijoel is offline   Reply With Quote
brijoel
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by brijoel
Old 03-22-2004, 08:34 AM   #13
@wright
Hall Of Fame
 
@wright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,568
Send a message via AIM to @wright
Default

I played a guy a couple months ago who complained about wind, which was nonexistent, because he was having a bad day. It wasn't even very cold. After I won the first set 6-0, he left.
__________________
Proudly donning the Nadal avatar until Fed either wins Roland Garros, or serves Nadal a bagel.
@wright is offline   Reply With Quote
@wright
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by @wright
Old 03-22-2004, 09:45 AM   #14
Kobble
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,256
Default

Yeah, it seems the better I play the more injuries my opponents suffer. I guess some people are not into earning their points.
Kobble is offline   Reply With Quote
Kobble
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Kobble
Old 03-22-2004, 11:21 AM   #15
peter
Professional
 
peter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Linköping, Sweden
Posts: 893
Send a message via ICQ to peter Send a message via MSN to peter Send a message via Yahoo to peter Send a message via Skype™ to peter
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobble
Brijoel,what is with their injuries? The same thing happened to me today. I had a poor start, and he was beating me early. Then when I found my range and cut back the errors he quit with an injury, not allowing me to complete the victory.
Sounds just like my little sister when we were growing up. Whenever I was near winning a game of Chess she would suddenly turn very tired and run up to her room. I have until this day (I'm now 36) not been able to finish and really win a game of Chess against her
peter is offline   Reply With Quote
peter
View Public Profile
Visit peter's homepage!
Find More Posts by peter
Old 03-22-2004, 11:42 AM   #16
kevhen
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 4,404
Default

High percentage tennis is about beating your opponent as efficiently as possible. If ripping serves and forehands does it quicker than playing out long rallies, then that is the more efficient method for you. High percentage tennis is knowing what you are good at and what your opponent is not good at and applying your strengths against your opponents weaknesses. Sometimes aggressive tennis can be high percentage tennis if your opponent can't handle the pace, lacks footspeed, or is just too consistent against slower paced balls. Sometimes changing up the pace from point to point can mess up your opponent too.
kevhen is offline   Reply With Quote
kevhen
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by kevhen
Old 03-22-2004, 11:47 AM   #17
kevhen
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 4,404
Default

I play more aggressively myself against higher ranked opponents (and also against much lower ranked opponents for practice purposes) because I win even less points playing conservative tennis since I can force more errors against my higher ranked opponents when I hit more aggressively. I still lose but I win more points and more games along the way. Whatever works for you to win matches and to keep yourself entertained and focused throughout the match, go for it.
kevhen is offline   Reply With Quote
kevhen
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by kevhen
Old 03-22-2004, 11:51 AM   #18
lendl lives
Semi-Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 471
Default

kobble,
lol!=)....i feel the same way sometimes. go gonzo! imagine how good this guy is if he's gotten this far just blastin people.
lendl lives is offline   Reply With Quote
lendl lives
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by lendl lives
Reply

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »


Go Back   Talk Tennis > Miscellaneous > Tennis Tips/Instruction
Reload this Page Abandoning the percentages

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Hybrid Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode
Threaded Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:37 PM.

Talk Tennis :: Powered By Tennis Warehouse - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2006 - Tennis Warehouse