The fall of World No 1 - Page 4

robin7 · 04-06-2008, 12:13 PM

With Roger's current form, I just have a feeling that he might struggle to win even a GS this year.

Novak is the potential WR1 if he can be more consistent.

Rafael will still be WR2 at the end of this year.

mrDamien · 04-06-2008, 07:08 PM

Even Nadal had lost in Miami but based on his current form, he could overtake Fed easily. Djokovic probably by year end could up to No 2 so does Hewitt back to Top 10.

caulcano · 04-07-2008, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by robin7

With Roger's current form, I just have a feeling that he might struggle to win even a GS this year.

Novak is the potential WR1 if he can be more consistent.

Rafael will still be WR2 at the end of this year.

I agree.

Year-end ranking will either be:

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic

OR

1. Djokovic
2. Nadal
3. Federer

Much is based on whether Federer finds his 'mojo'.

slice bh compliment · 04-07-2008, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by caulcano

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3. Federer

Much is based on whether Federer finds his 'mojo'.

Are the people at American Express's ad agency reading this at all?
[groan]

Morrissey · 04-07-2008, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mrDamien

Even Nadal had lost in Miami but based on his current form, he could overtake Fed easily. Djokovic probably by year end could up to No 2 so does Hewitt back to Top 10.

I agree and the most worrying thing for Fed is that he has points to defend all over the place. It's not just the clay season, it's also the grass, hardcourt and indoor season too. If he doesn't pick up his game he's in a world of hurt. He gained points in Indian Wells & Miami which is good for him because he's not going to be gaining alot of points from here on in. For Nadal, he has the clay season and Wimbledon to defend. The entire summer hardcourt swing he's looking good. But he does have final points to defend in Paris. But that's pretty much it. I feel he's playing very good tennis heading into the clay. An ATP leading 22-6 record on the hard stuff is an indication of that.

But it's very interesting to see how competitve and even it is when Fed is no longer dominating the hardcourts, Roddick wins Dubai, Joker wins IW and Davy wins Miami. 2 of the 3 have beaten Fed this year. While all those guys have won the titles Nadal has put himself as the best hardcourt player based on wins & losses. Great stuff. I just can't wait to see the red dirt again. I just love clay tennis and I love playing on the dirt too.

ExPro · 04-07-2008, 05:19 AM

I think we've seen the end of RF's dominance in tennis. I'm a former tour player who played from the early 80's to 90's. I was a young player just starting out and we saw the cracks staring to appear in Borg in as early as the 1980 USO, and the cracks started to appear in RF's game last year. I think it was really unrealisitc of fams and media alike to expect him to carry on his reign indefinitey. Last years USO was RF's last slam. I'm not a hater but i've been on the tour and even though we never had a Roger Federer when i was playing, we had Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, and Vitas and sooner or later, the level of intensity slips just a notch and thats all it really takes. RF losing to Mardy Fish would have been like Mac losing to someome like Sammy Giammalva in '84

slice bh compliment · 04-07-2008, 05:37 AM

Yes. Probably the end of his amazing DOMINANCE, and a fade to his aura of invincibility, but not the end of his reign at no. 1 (thanks to the other two)...and definitely not the end of his time as one of the favorites at almost every Slam.

Pete won his last three or four slams as non-number one.

ATXtennisaddict · 04-07-2008, 05:45 AM

People who doubt Roger know nothing about the resolve of human spirit/ambition/desire. They only look on the surface, at numbers, at wins/losses. Roger is not a robot, neither are his opponents.

ExPro · 04-07-2008, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by slice bh compliment

Yes. Probably the end of his amazing DOMINANCE, and a fade to his aura of invincibility, but not the end of his reign at no. 1 (thanks to the other two)...and definitely not the end of his time as one of the favorites at almost every Slam.

Pete won his last three or four slams as non-number one.

In the world of pro tennis, it's not the numbers that matter it's the winning of events, the number one ranking is a by prodcut of sustained success. You ask most players what they'd want more, GS events or the Number one ranking and i could bet my house 9 out of ten will say the slams, and i know my house would be safe. Believe me its the winning of the big tournaments thats what its all about.

janipyt05 · 04-07-2008, 03:20 PM

i find it amazing how when Fed loses a couple of matches his career is finished blah blah blah what a load of rubbish yes it is very strange for him not to win anything as yet but that the nature of the game he can't and won't win everything, i am still not convinced this is a decline as i think it will take a lot mroe to happen. Fed need to stop playing with Sampras who frankly is retired, get a bloody coach and play a little more tennis.

flyer · 04-07-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by janipyt05

i find it amazing how when Fed loses a couple of matches his career is finished blah blah blah what a load of rubbish yes it is very strange for him not to win anything as yet but that the nature of the game he can't and won't win everything, i am still not convinced this is a decline as i think it will take a lot mroe to happen. Fed need to stop playing with Sampras who frankly is retired, get a bloody coach and play a little more tennis.

I agree with you that he needs to refocus and find a coach, but if you think hes still as good as he was I'd have to call you a bit either crazy or in denial, his results have certainly declined you can't argue that and I believe his game has too and by a lot, all you have to do to see this is watch a match, even when he wins you don't see the genius and the amazing shots that he hit almost routinely 2 years ago, watch a match and tell me you don't see a difference, its very hard to make a rational, fact based case for him.

BlUe 182 BanAna · 04-07-2008, 04:14 PM

federer is great, but he wont be 1# forever..

mrDamien · 04-07-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by flyer

I agree with you that he needs to refocus and find a coach.

Probably Mirka stop him from finding a coach. His financial controller control everything on and off court.

Prisoner of Birth · 10-01-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mrDamien

Fed is falling. Just accept the fact, dude. It's going to happen soon.

He rises, like a Phoenix out of ashes.

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ExPro New User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 14	end of the dominance I think we've seen the end of RF's dominance in tennis. I'm a former tour player who played from the early 80's to 90's. I was a young player just starting out and we saw the cracks staring to appear in Borg in as early as the 1980 USO, and the cracks started to appear in RF's game last year. I think it was really unrealisitc of fams and media alike to expect him to carry on his reign indefinitey. Last years USO was RF's last slam. I'm not a hater but i've been on the tour and even though we never had a Roger Federer when i was playing, we had Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, and Vitas and sooner or later, the level of intensity slips just a notch and thats all it really takes. RF losing to Mardy Fish would have been like Mac losing to someome like Sammy Giammalva in '84

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