DQ Question

[Doc Hollidae]

Do you know how to find out if you're in the upper, middle, or lower spectrum of your NTRP rating?

Ex. Like a high 4.5 or a low 3.5.

[kylebarendrick]

You generally have to guess based on your match record and the records of the people you played against. There's nothing published that will help you. The main exception would be that if you succesfully appeal down, then you know you are at the top of your level.

Since you were bumped down from 4.5 to 4.0, I'd expect that you are near the top of the 4.0 level.

[Nellie]

I would not worry about the DQ if I was you. The 4.0 captains were obviously looking for you because you are out of rating, and they want to take advantage. They do this at their own risk. What's it to you if you get DQ'ed from the 4.0 You will just play back at 4.5

[Doc Hollidae]

Originally Posted by Nellie

I would not worry about the DQ if I was you. The 4.0 captains were obviously looking for you because you are out of rating, and they want to take advantage. They do this at their own risk. What's it to you if you get DQ'ed from the 4.0 You will just play back at 4.5

I'm not worried about being DQ'ed personally. I could careless about playing 4.0's, but my teammates are counting on me. So it's more of an issue of not letting my teammate down, than wanting to play 4.0's.

[duffman]

I would say you have nothing to worry about. I played 4.5 as a computer rated 3.0, went 4-2 at 4.5 and didn't get DQ'd from the 4.0 or 3.5 teams I played on that year. I would say that if you are computer rated, pretty much anything goes.

[raiden031]

Originally Posted by duffman

I would say you have nothing to worry about. I played 4.5 as a computer rated 3.0, went 4-2 at 4.5 and didn't get DQ'd from the 4.0 or 3.5 teams I played on that year. I would say that if you are computer rated, pretty much anything goes.

How did you end up with a 3.0 rating and why were you competing at 3 different levels?

Also one time I found this guy in tennislink who got DQ'd playing 3.0 as a self-rate and then the next year he got DQ'd from 3.5 being computer rated. So it took 2 years for the guy to get put at the level he belonged.

[duffman]

Originally Posted by raiden031

How did you end up with a 3.0 rating and why were you competing at 3 different levels?

Also one time I found this guy in tennislink who got DQ'd playing 3.0 as a self-rate and then the next year he got DQ'd from 3.5 being computer rated. So it took 2 years for the guy to get put at the level he belonged.

I started playing tennis for the first time in 2005 and self-rated as 3.0. Had a mediocre first season at 3.0 going 8-4 including 1-2 at districts. Basically didn't know what I was doing on the court and relied on my athletic ability and decent serve and forehand to get wins. After that season I was computer rated at 3.0 but in the meantime improved substantially with the help of a 4.5 player that took me under his wing.

To make a long story short, I eventually started hitting with the other guys on this player's 4.5 team and they asked me if I wanted to play on their 2006 4.5 team so I jumped at the chance. Since I still had my 3.0 rating and I didn't really know where I belonged ratings wise at that point, I also played 3.5 and 4.0. Another captain rostered me on his 3.0 team but I never played on that team for obvious reasons. Looking back it was pretty funny to see the 4.5 team I was on and look down the roster at a bunch of 4.5s and see a 3.0 on the roster! Anyway, after that season, I was bumped to 4.0 and after last season bumped to 4.5, but I never did get DQ'd from the 3.5 team I was on.

[Nellie]

You would never get DQ'ed for playing over your rating - only for playing beneath the NTRP. You can always play up if a captain will take you.

[randomname]

Originally Posted by Nellie

You would never get DQ'ed for playing over your rating - only for playing beneath the NTRP. You can always play up if a captain will take you.

you wouldnt get DQd for PLAYING over your rating but you sure as hell will if your winning matches above your rating

[Nellie]

I should clarify - a computer rated3.0 would never get disqualified by playing up and winning at a higher level. What would be the basis? Your rating will increase but you would never be above level of play.

Under USTA rule 2.02E(1) Players who inappropriately self-rate at an NTRP level lower than their actual skill level are subject to a Self-Rate Grievance.

But under 2.02E(2) Players with a valid NTRP computer rating are not subject to Self-Rate Grievances.

So - if you are computer rated, you would never be DQed at a higher level for playing and winning at a higher level.

[kylebarendrick]

Self rate grievances have nothing to do with a 3 strikes DQ. You get a strike when your dynamic rating exceeds the threshold for the level you are playing. If a 3.0 player (self-rated or computer-rated) gets a dynamic rating in the high 3.5 range, then they'll get a strike. Do that 3 times and they are DQ'd up to a 3.5 rating.

It's generally difficult for a computer-rated 3.0 player that only plays in 3.0 leagues to generate dynamics in the high 3.5 range. It's much easier to generate dynamics in that range if they are winning matches at the 4.5 level.

[Nellie]

^^^^ I think we are talking about different things - you can get DQ'ed at a 3.0 level by playing up and winning at the 4.5 level because your NTRP would be above 3.0, but your matches at the 4.5 level would not be DQed because you are getting no strikes in the 4.5 matches because your NTRP would not be above 4.5.

[kylebarendrick]

Agreed! In this case the OP was worried about being DQ'd at the 4.0 level by playing up and winning at 4.5.

[DrewRafter8]

Anybody know for certain how long they wait after you've had three strikes to initiate the DQ?

[amarone]

Originally Posted by DrewRafter8

Anybody know for certain how long they wait after you've had three strikes to initiate the DQ?

I do not know how much it varies, but I have seen a DQ be notified the day after the third strike. The NTRP ratings are calculated every night.