Slice serve for a 2nd serve

[nousername]

Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

No, 7:30 to 1:30 is for a kickserve/twist. A topspin-slice is not a kickserve.

4:30 to 10:30 is actually easier than 7 to 1. It's a normal 3 to 9 slice serve, with a more pronunciated low to high swing.

nope. you are mistake about twist serves. the "clock face" descriptions of serve spin have nothing to due with twist (read my first post in this thread).

a righty serve always starts out between 6 o'clock and 9 o'clock. anything outside of that range is impossible, or have a high risk of injury.

i think you just need to rethink you serve motion, or maybe we are just looking at the "clock face" from a different perspective. i am assuming the clock-face is seen from someone behind the server, standing at the back fence.

[GPB]

Exactly... you're all saying the same thing, just with different definitions of where the numbers on the clock line up. Let me clear this up for you.

12 - on the top
3 - on the right side
6 - on the bottom
9 - on the left side

The numbers move "clockwise" around the clock.

[hollywood9826]

Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

But... that makes no sense!

For a righty, if a pure topspin is from 6 to 12, and a pure slice serve is from 3 to 9, a topspin slice would be from 4,5 to 10,5.

The ball is struck in a diagonal way, from left to right, and from low to high on a topspin-slice.

i thnk you got your numbers mixed up it woudl be 9 (left) to 3 (right) for a right handed server.

for a lefty like goran it would be 3 to 9 or 5 to 11 ish for the topspin slice.

[Djokovicfan4life]

Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

Sorry, I meant from right to left for a righty server.
A slice serve for a righty is hit from 3 to 9. From right to left.

Uhhh, no it isn't?

[boojay]

Originally Posted by Djokovicfan4life

Arrgggg, Boojay, I can't stop watching your "Epic Video"!

Uhhhh, sorry? Heh.

[Djokovicfan4life]

Originally Posted by boojay

Uhhhh, sorry? Heh.

Haha, I meant that as a compliment, really. You're a solid player.

[boojay]

Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

Sorry, I meant from right to left for a righty server.
A slice serve for a righty is hit from 3 to 9. From right to left.

Dude, I gotta see your serve. I will bow down before you if you're right-handed and can serve 3 to 9 without killing yourself. I know righties who can do a reverse slice, but they don't swing 3 to 9.

[boojay]

Originally Posted by Djokovicfan4life

Haha, I meant that as a compliment, really. You're a solid player.

I know, thanks . I meant for it to be fun to watch. Glad you like it.

[Andres]

I understand the spins: For a pure righty slice serve, the ball travels from 9 to 3. That's anticlockwise, seen from the top, right? That's clear.

But to hit it that way, the arm doesn't travel from 9 to 3, but from 3 to 9.

To make the ball spin from 9 to 3, you have to it it at 3 o'clock, not at 9 o'clock. If you hit the ball at 9 o'clock, the ball travels from 3 to 9, that is clockwise.

The ball spins from 9 to 3, but it must be struck from 3 to 9. That's what I'm talking about.

[Djokovicfan4life]

You've still got it completely backwards, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[GPB]

Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

I understand the spins: For a pure righty slice serve, the ball travels from 9 to 3. That's anticlockwise, seen from the top, right? That's clear.

I'm sorry, but that is not clear to me. If you picture your clock face as seen from the top, then how do you explain a topspin serve?

I've always understood the clock as being viewed from the fence behind you, as it would hang on a wall above your head (or wherever your toss is). I REALLY think we're all trying to say the same thing here. Let's clear up the clock issue and all go home happily

[Andres]

Originally Posted by GPB

I'm sorry, but that is not clear to me. If you picture your clock face as seen from the top, then how do you explain a topspin serve?

I've always understood the clock as being viewed from the fence behind you, as it would hang on a wall above your head (or wherever your toss is). I REALLY think we're all trying to say the same thing here. Let's clear up the clock issue and all go home happily

Yeah, probably. I just hit the fuzzy ball. Apparently, not that good with numbers

Rickson, if you can keep your slice serve low and un-attackable, without double-faulting, go for it. I still think you should develop your kickserve.

[boojay]

Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

I understand the spins: For a pure righty slice serve, the ball travels from 9 to 3. That's anticlockwise, seen from the top, right? That's clear.

But to hit it that way, the arm doesn't travel from 9 to 3, but from 3 to 9.

To make the ball spin from 9 to 3, you have to it it at 3 o'clock, not at 9 o'clock. If you hit the ball at 9 o'clock, the ball travels from 3 to 9, that is clockwise.

The ball spins from 9 to 3, but it must be struck from 3 to 9. That's what I'm talking about.

I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but it should be apparent to you that you have the rest of us confused. Your reference point of "the clock" is definitely the issue here. Most of us don't visualize looking down at the clock from above, but rather, the clock face is hanging on a wall (usually above our heads).

[mmeyer1]

Rickson, if you are a lefty then I would definitely think that a good lefty slider is an excellent 2nd serve choice. In some of my Usta matches I played against lefties who would do nothing but extreme slice serveson the AD court. It was really effective in forcing me to hit slice returns which they could capitalize on. I personally think that all lefties should have a solid slice serve in their repertoire to keep their opponents planted to the AD corner. I've rarely seen or played against a lefty that had a good topspin or twist serve, so it wouldn't hurt to keep one of those in your bag to keep your opponents guessing, and its always weird the first time a lefty twist serve kicks out high to the forehand if your always used to getting them to your backhand.

[Djokovicfan4life]

Originally Posted by mmeyer1

Rickson, if you are a lefty then I would definitely think that a good lefty slider is an excellent 2nd serve choice. In some of my Usta matches I played against lefties who would do nothing but extreme slice serveson the AD court. It was really effective in forcing me to hit slice returns which they could capitalize on. I personally think that all lefties should have a solid slice serve in their repertoire to keep their opponents planted to the AD corner. I've rarely seen or played against a lefty that had a good topspin or twist serve, so it wouldn't hurt to keep one of those in your bag to keep your opponents guessing, and its always weird the first time a lefty twist serve kicks out high to the forehand if your always used to getting them to your backhand.

I'm pretty sure Rickson's a righty though.

[JRstriker12]

I'm a righty - my slice starts at 9 and travels to 3. You would break your shoulder doing it the other way.




Path of Racket compared to clock face ================>>>>

[mmeyer1]

Oh I thought he was a lefty, I must have him confused with someone else

[JRstriker12]

http://www.tennisserver.com/turbo/turbo_98_3.html

-Andres, are you talking about contact point?

- My swing goes from 9 to 3 but the contact point is at 3 o'clock for a righty - meaning you are hitting the outside of the ball.



"Slice serves require that you hit the outside of the ball (3 o'clock position for righties and 9 o'clock position for lefties)"

[Rickson]

Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

But... that makes no sense!

For a righty, if a pure topspin is from 6 to 12, and a pure slice serve is from 3 to 9, a topspin slice would be from 4,5 to 10,5.

The ball is struck in a diagonal way, from right to left, and from low to high on a topspin-slice.

A slice is not 3 to 9 for a righty. That would be one crazy looking slice.

[Nellie]

I really wish I had never used the clock numbers... Everyone here understands the contents of the discussion and have used up bandwidth to discuss the nomenclature.