Dunlop ownership and quality

BMG · 07-26-2008, 05:42 PM

I have heard during the past year or two from several tennis people that Dunlop Tennis was purchased by a "churn em' and burn em'" entreprenuer in the UK. This is the same guy that buys brand name sporting good companies...lays off many employees (R&D, product development, design, etc,) and then simply cheaply produces a product for mass market consumption with little left for quality control or the production of high quality products and bases his projected sales on the reputation of the brand. I am posting this not as any knock on Dunlop (because I do not know the answer to the rumor) but simply as a question regarding this company's position in the market. Any "insider" info regarding this question?

Richie Rich · 07-26-2008, 06:28 PM

quality of dunlop frames is no different than wilson or head.

i've hit with the m-fil 200/300 and the aerogel 200/300 and hey are pretty good frames for the price.

nCode747 · 07-26-2008, 06:51 PM

ive hit with aerogel 100 its good quality

Kirko · 07-26-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Richie Rich

quality of dunlop frames is no different than wilson or head.

i've hit with the m-fil 200/300 and the aerogel 200/300 and hey are pretty good frames for the price.

I have not hit with one, but "fit & finish" looks very good. I've looked at them in the pro shop.

logansc · 07-26-2008, 07:10 PM

I have hit with 5 or six different Dunlop model racquets and I've found them all to be high quality frames and very playable. (MF 200+, MF 300, HM 400, AG 100, AG 200 and AG 300.)

BreakPoint · 07-26-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Richie Rich

quality of dunlop frames is no different than wilson or head.

Actually, the quality of Dunlop frames is very different from that of Wilson or Head - it's miles BETTER!

I've always thought Dunlop had the highest quality frames, especially their fit and finish, of any racquet manufacturer for many decades and that remains the same today. They just look so much better made and look more expensive even though they are some of the least expensive racquets on the market. You can tell that they put more of their money into the frames rather than into marketing. Even their racquet covers are of the highest quality. Does anyone have a yellow/black HM200G cover? That thing is made of thick material and is such good quality that they could sell those covers for like $25, not the flimy cheap covers that you get with most other racquets. I was shocked when I bought a new HM200G a few years ago for only $70 and it came with a cover that looked to be worth almost half that much!

A few years ago, they gave away a Citizen watch that was worth like $100 if you bought any Dunlop racquet, so you could have bought a $100 Dunlop racquet and got a free $100 watch! I don't know how they made any money.

LanEvo · 07-26-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Actually, the quality of Dunlop frames is very different from that of Wilson or Head - it's miles BETTER!

I've always thought Dunlop had the highest quality frames, especially their fit and finish, of any racquet manufacturer for many decades and that remains the same today. They just look so much better made and look more expensive even though they are some of the least expensive racquets on the market. You can tell that they put more of their money into the frames rather than into marketing. Even their racquet covers are of the highest quality. Does anyone have a yellow/black HM200G cover? That thing is made of thick material and is such good quality that they could sell those covers for like $25, not the flimy cheap covers that you get with most other racquets. I was shocked when I bought a new HM200G a few years ago for only $70 and it came with a cover that looked to be worth almost half that much!

A few years ago, they gave away a Citizen watch that was worth like $100 if you bought any Dunlop racquet, so you could have bought a $100 Dunlop racquet and got a free $100 watch! I don't know how they made any money.

yes Citizen watches are nice, i have had mine for over 5yrs and its stll workin and lookin like its brand new

mtommer · 07-26-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BMG

I have heard during the past year or two from several tennis people that Dunlop Tennis was purchased by a "churn em' and burn em'" entreprenuer in the UK. This is the same guy that buys brand name sporting good companies...lays off many employees (R&D, product development, design, etc,) and then simply cheaply produces a product for mass market consumption with little left for quality control or the production of high quality products and bases his projected sales on the reputation of the brand. I am posting this not as any knock on Dunlop (because I do not know the answer to the rumor) but simply as a question regarding this company's position in the market. Any "insider" info regarding this question?

In 2004 Sports Direct acquired the Dunlop licensing rights for the most part (some exemptions from a few countries including the US btw). The do business with Sports Authority and Wal-Mart. My guess is that they won't do away with the higher end product line as long as sales are strong (remember Dunlop is big in Golf and other racquet sports also) but may start making in roads in getting low cost Dunlop branded products onto store shelf ala Wilson and Head.

BMG · 07-27-2008, 05:31 AM

Thanks for the feedback. It seems as though the company is trying to make inroads into the mass market entry level but will try to continue it's production of higher end frames also. I have been intrigued by the AG 200 as it seems to get good reviews in general. Their prices have always been lower than Prince/Head/Wilson and I hope that they stay with their tour level frames. Good to hear that some of you have been really satisfied with the build quality since the purchase by Sports Direct.

mdjenders · 07-27-2008, 10:12 AM

I know some were really worried/angry that the aerogels weren't designed in Britain like the older Dunlops, but they are really a nice range of frames. The paint jobs are very classy looking, and quality is pretty comparable or better than other brands (other than the occasional buttcap issue). I cant wait until my 100 arrives.

PROTENNIS63 · 07-27-2008, 01:45 PM

I have always felt that Dunlop have great quality.

smirker · 07-28-2008, 06:34 AM

I live in the UK and can confirm that Sports Direct did buy up the Dunlop name and now only sell cheap Dunlop frames. Before this happened they sold off all the m-fil's and 300g's they had left at silly prices which was nice but you can no longer get a good racket in there. Shame as I use the m-fil 300 and don't know what I'll do when they wear out.

You can still get the Aerogels over here (not the 100 though) so that must be a different part of the company. They don't seem to be any cheaper though. Most rackets are $300 over here. Quality is in general good although the paint on my m-fils does chip very easily.

vsbabolat · 07-28-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mtommer

In 2004 Sports Direct acquired the Dunlop licensing rights for the most part (some exemptions from a few countries including the US btw). The do business with Sports Authority and Wal-Mart. My guess is that they won't do away with the higher end product line as long as sales are strong (remember Dunlop is big in Golf and other racquet sports also) but may start making in roads in getting low cost Dunlop branded products onto store shelf ala Wilson and Head.

http://www.sports-direct-internation...ain.asp?pid=19
In the United States, the Dunlop brand is owned and controlled by DNA (Housemarks) Limited, a joint venture vehicle currently owned by the Dunlop Group Holdings Limited (Sports Direct International) and SRI USA, Inc. The Directors regard the United States as a potential source of significant sales, as Dunlop remains an under-developed brand in the US sports retail market.

Courtcheck · 07-28-2008, 06:37 PM

I think the major cuts are in promotion and advertising,

A major sporting goods manufacturer not having a functional website to support their product line is laughable!

mhstennis100 · 07-28-2008, 06:41 PM

Own 3 agel 200s, very good quality. I've had no trouble with them in the year that I've owned them.

LES · 07-28-2008, 08:04 PM

I own 2 Mfil 200's and I think the quality is ok, nothing great. I personally think Head or Wilson is better.

I would use Head but haven't gotten around to demoing the microgel series. Used to use Head LM Prestige and it was a little too flexy so i'm looking for something similar but stiffer.

Anyways got these puppies for $60 brand new on sale. Hated them at first but slapped some lead on them and theyre not bad. Paint chipped very easily though. Grip & strings suck that came with the racquet sucked.

They were demo racquets with the yellow bumper. Somehow I got tiny piece of lead stuck inside the frame and I had to remove the bumper strip to get it out. Putting on a new bumper strip was a b*tch! Butt cap is loose and squeaky all the time. I think the asymmetrical paint scheme on my Mfil is ugly as heck, but I do like the blue & white color.

The racquet actually plays great once you mod it to death.

jonolau · 07-29-2008, 02:49 AM

The last range of Dunlop racquets that were designed by Dunlop UK as a group was the M-Fil range.

The current range of Aerogel racquets were actually designed and developed by SRI Sports Japan. SRI is Sumitomo Rubber Industries which invested in Dunlop Japan, the Japanese subsidiary of the UK company, Dunlop Rubber.

1012007 · 07-29-2008, 02:56 AM

Jono have you got my email??

jonolau · 07-29-2008, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 1012007

Jono have you got my email??

Sorry, just saw it, will reply soon.

1012007 · 07-29-2008, 03:03 AM

Hi thanks a lot, i just replied!!

07-26-2008, 05:42 PM	#1
BMG Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 175	Dunlop ownership and quality I have heard during the past year or two from several tennis people that Dunlop Tennis was purchased by a "churn em' and burn em'" entreprenuer in the UK. This is the same guy that buys brand name sporting good companies...lays off many employees (R&D, product development, design, etc,) and then simply cheaply produces a product for mass market consumption with little left for quality control or the production of high quality products and bases his projected sales on the reputation of the brand. I am posting this not as any knock on Dunlop (because I do not know the answer to the rumor) but simply as a question regarding this company's position in the market. Any "insider" info regarding this question?

07-26-2008, 06:51 PM	#3
nCode747 Semi-Pro Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 712	ive hit with aerogel 100 its good quality __________________ Yonex RDS 001 (leaded up 4 grams) Full Blackcode @ 56 lbs I'm a little dysfunctional, don't ya know?

07-26-2008, 07:10 PM	#5
logansc Professional Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: U.S. Posts: 968	I have hit with 5 or six different Dunlop model racquets and I've found them all to be high quality frames and very playable. (MF 200+, MF 300, HM 400, AG 100, AG 200 and AG 300.) __________________ War Eagle.

07-27-2008, 10:12 AM	#10
mdjenders Professional Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,246	I know some were really worried/angry that the aerogels weren't designed in Britain like the older Dunlops, but they are really a nice range of frames. The paint jobs are very classy looking, and quality is pretty comparable or better than other brands (other than the occasional buttcap issue). I cant wait until my 100 arrives. __________________ Yonex VCORE Tour 97 310g, Cyberflash 17g 58# (main), Tecnifibre Syn Gut 16g 61# (x) Yonex SHT-307

07-27-2008, 01:45 PM	#11
PROTENNIS63 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,723	I have always felt that Dunlop have great quality. __________________ Head Microgel Prestige Midsize strung with Genesis Typhoon at 57 lbs. Favorite player is Roger Federer.