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Originally Posted by Dave M

I'm not anti City either, but frankly i think I wonder if Barry looks as good as he does because of the company he keeps (oh no pun intended there "K" aside!), I think Yaya would make a lot of people look good with the space he creates.
Think i'd rather have someone a bit more creative with their defensive abilities than either Barry or Parker but i'm not sure they exist at the moment. Always rated Carrick, (no not just because of the WHU connection) guess Roy doesn't.

If this were the case wouldn't he have been replaced by now? He's been an automatic pick for any manager he's played for and surely Mancini wouldn't have risked the title to keep such a supposedly average player in the side when the means are there to replace him.

Barry was still immense when Yaya was gone for two months for ACON, not to mention his performances when he was at Aston Villa in a more advanced role. Perhaps if England ever got around to attempting possession football instead of 10 men behind the ball then lump it to the big man he would be more appreciated.

[Dave M]

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all valid point's he seems to be a bit Hesky ish in a way that managers pick him (and rely on him) yet rarely seems to catch fans imagination much.
I think you're probably close with the (shall we call it a style) that England play maybe soesn't suit a lot of the players we grow through club football. Think how many countries would of better used Le Tiss, Gazza, Joe Cole or Scholes, (and even Gerrard when he was good).
Has there been more news re his injury, I didn't think it was too serious but the bbc were claiming he might be replaced in the squad.

[Feña14]

Originally Posted by Dave M

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all valid point's he seems to be a bit Hesky ish in a way that managers pick him (and rely on him) yet rarely seems to catch fans imagination much.
I think you're probably close with the (shall we call it a style) that England play maybe soesn't suit a lot of the players we grow through club football. Think how many countries would of better used Le Tiss, Gazza, Joe Cole or Scholes, (and even Gerrard when he was good).
Has there been more news re his injury, I didn't think it was too serious but the bbc were claiming he might be replaced in the squad.

First the sun is shining and now this? Today's been a good day so far

[Ross K]

Originally Posted by Dave M

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all valid point's he seems to be a bit Hesky ish in a way that managers pick him (and rely on him) yet rarely seems to catch fans imagination much.
I think you're probably close with the (shall we call it a style) that England play maybe soesn't suit a lot of the players we grow through club football. Think how many countries would of better used Le Tiss, Gazza, Joe Cole or Scholes, (and even Gerrard when he was good).
Has there been more news re his injury, I didn't think it was too serious but the bbc were claiming he might be replaced in the squad.

Ah yes, Le Tiss ... at least the others you mentioned got to play a lot... On the wider point of flair maverick talent V grafting great engine grafters, England has long been skeptical and slow to properly go with the former (look at the sublime Glenn Hoddle) whilst fully endorsing the latter (ie Bryan Robson)... rather like showing one's emotions, or complaining in restaurants, the English do not encourage skilful flair players

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BREAKING NEWS: Eden Hazard spotted outside Old Trafford in a Chelsea shirt talking to Roberto Mancini.

Funny! Fingers crossed one of the Manchester clubs have done enough to get him.

[Ross K]

So it's Chelsea then for Eden H (though not signed yet)... all I can say is after all this teasing and press bleatings, he better be bloody totally amazing.

Meanwhile at the Lane, breaking news... Spurs have yet to sign anyone at all.

[Dave M]

Originally Posted by Ross K

Ah yes, Le Tiss ... at least the others you mentioned got to play a lot... On the wider point of flair maverick talent V grafting great engine grafters, England has long been skeptical and slow to properly go with the former (look at the sublime Glenn Hoddle) whilst fully endorsing the latter (ie Bryan Robson)... rather like showing one's emotions, or complaining in restaurants, the English do not encourage skilful flair players

Originally Posted by Ross K

So it's Chelsea then for Eden H (though not signed yet)... all I can say is after all this teasing and press bleatings, he better be bloody totally amazing.

Meanwhile at the Lane, breaking news... Spurs have yet to sign anyone at all.

WE do seem to think going into each tournament that having one guy on the bench who can make a pass and 10 outfield players who can scare those "weak minded Johnny forigeners" by their sheer willingness to run all day irrespective of how average they are when they actually arrive near the goal. Plus someone is bound to have "a good engine" or be a "box to box pllayer" so i'm sure we'll be fine.Jagielka (sp?) looks to be the replacement for BArry.
Oh, lest we forget a commentator tells us that the opponents keeper is a liability then we spend 89 minutes lumping in long range shots in the vague hope the perfectly professional goalkeeper forgets all his 20 years of training and drops the ball at our strikers feet.
So now not only can i find a racquet i really like i'm no longer looking forward to the euros!
Hazzard, it's been a bit drawn out, my cousin who's a spud is always txting me in fits of laughter when Levey or Redknapp are on the brink of signing someone then a totally 3rd rate version turns up at the end of the summer instead. See he handles the anguish well thanks to his early years as an iron!!
I'm back off to look at the racquets page and try and choose something.

[PED]

Originally Posted by Ross K

So it's Chelsea then for Eden H (though not signed yet)... all I can say is after all this teasing and press bleatings, he better be bloody totally amazing.

Chelsea will pay a fee of around £35.3 million (really!!) to Lille, with Hazard having demanded wages of £4.6 million a year net of tax, so around £9  million a year for his new employer. That averages out at £170,000 a week.


Not sure this is a very good deal for a largely unproven (at this level) 21 YO. Time will tell and Red Rom has enough cash that it doesn't really matter anyway.

Any thoughts Fena?

[Feña14]

Originally Posted by PED

Chelsea will pay a fee of around £35.3 million (really!!) to Lille, with Hazard having demanded wages of £4.6 million a year net of tax, so around £9  million a year for his new employer. That averages out at £170,000 a week.


Not sure this is a very good deal for a largely unproven (at this level) 21 YO. Time will tell and Red Rom has enough cash that it doesn't really matter anyway.

Any thoughts Fena?

It seems to of been either him or Moura, the Brazilian is even more unproven, so maybe it's not so bad. I just don't like his attitude and the way he's gone about things, I also think he wants to be in Spain before long. We just have to hope he gives us a couple of great years and we can make a profit on selling him to Real Madrid, maybe he can be Ronaldo's replacement if he goes back to Man Utd.

Our front line next year at the moment looks like Torres, with Mata, Hazard and Marin behind, which is pretty good. A midfielder like Modric or Moutinho and a right back look like the next priorities, although a deal is in place for Hulk aswell, so they say.

I'm pleased we're doing business quite early though, i'm not sure if Hazard is the right man, he has alot to prove both in terms of on the pitch and off it. He's going to be a hate figure in England for his conduct in getting a move and will get alot of stick like Ronaldo did, hopefully he uses it to his advantage and kicks on.

[NickC]

Originally Posted by Feña14

It seems to of been either him or Moura, the Brazilian is even more unproven, so maybe it's not so bad. I just don't like his attitude and the way he's gone about things, I also think he wants to be in Spain before long. We just have to hope he gives us a couple of great years and we can make a profit on selling him to Real Madrid, maybe he can be Ronaldo's replacement if he goes back to Man Utd.

Our front line next year at the moment looks like Torres, with Mata, Hazard and Marin behind, which is pretty good. A midfielder like Modric or Moutinho and a right back look like the next priorities, although a deal is in place for Hulk aswell, so they say.

I'm pleased we're doing business quite early though, i'm not sure if Hazard is the right man, he has alot to prove both in terms of on the pitch and off it. He's going to be a hate figure in England for his conduct in getting a move and will get alot of stick like Ronaldo did, hopefully he uses it to his advantage and kicks on.

I'd personally take Dempsey over Modric, (not that I'm biased in favor of fellow Americans or anything )

I don't rate Hazard, as good as he is though. I would have taken Belhanda, and maybe someone like Honda from CSKA or maybe even Veloso from Genoa. Hell, maybe we could have brought Scott Sinclair back to the club. Or if we were gonna splash the cash big time, I would have just said f*ck it and bought Neymar and/or Gansao. Or possibly maybe Gotze?!

Hulk is as good as signed, from what I read, too! Awesome.

And has anyone heard the update from Liverpool? I read on Talksport FSG wants to bring Jurgen Klopp to Anfield as director of football and Roberto Martienez as manager. That, if given time, would be amazing from their point of view.

[Feña14]

Originally Posted by NickC

I'd personally take Dempsey over Modric, (not that I'm biased in favor of fellow Americans or anything )

I don't rate Hazard, as good as he is though. I would have taken Belhanda, and maybe someone like Honda from CSKA or maybe even Veloso from Genoa. Hell, maybe we could have brought Scott Sinclair back to the club. Or if we were gonna splash the cash big time, I would have just said f*ck it and bought Neymar and/or Gansao. Or possibly maybe Gotze?!

Hulk is as good as signed, from what I read, too! Awesome.

And has anyone heard the update from Liverpool? I read on Talksport FSG wants to bring Jurgen Klopp to Anfield as director of football and Roberto Martienez as manager. That, if given time, would be amazing from their point of view.

Dempsey is more of a second striker/wide player i've always thought. Modric is more of a deep lying playmaker, someone who can see what's in front of him and get the ball to the dangerous players. If we do end up with Hazard, Hulk and Mata up top, having someone who can get the ball to them is essential.

I'd like Debuchy or Azpilcueta to fill the Bosingwa/Ferreira gap, Modric or Moutinho to add something different to the heart of midfield and Hulk to play out wide or down the middle if Torres still doesn't get going. It's like getting two players for one with him, he helps us out wide, can be a back up for Torres and he brings the strength that we lost with Drogba going.

Why would Klopp go to Liverpool? He's only 44, so pretty young for a manager. I always thought directors of football were old managers who didn't have it in them anymore, or business men with decent knowledge of how the game works. Surely it's not a job for a young, talented manager! It would be a shame to see him go I think, i'd like to see how far he can take Dortmund.

[jaggy]

Originally Posted by Feña14

BREAKING NEWS: Eden Hazard spotted outside Old Trafford in a Chelsea shirt talking to Roberto Mancini.

Funny! Fingers crossed one of the Manchester clubs have done enough to get him.

Outside Old Trafford?

[Feña14]

Originally Posted by jaggy

Outside Old Trafford?

It was a joke going round on Twitter. Something to do with how he kept flirting with all 3 clubs and wouldn't make his mind up

[PED]

Originally Posted by Feña14

If we do end up with Hazard, Hulk and Mata up top, having someone who can get the ball to them is essential.

Sounds like an imposing lineup.

Where does Hulk line up, is he a conventional #9?

[Feña14]

Originally Posted by PED

Sounds like an imposing lineup.

Where does Hulk line up, is he a conventional #9?

He plays on the right, but can also play through the middle.

I'm sure Torres will be starting as the lone striker, with Hazard, Mata and Hulk being the 3 behind.

[Ross K]

Originally Posted by NickC

I'd personally take Dempsey over Modric, (not that I'm biased in favor of fellow Americans or anything )

I don't rate Hazard, as good as he is though. I would have taken Belhanda, and maybe someone like Honda from CSKA or maybe even Veloso from Genoa. Hell, maybe we could have brought Scott Sinclair back to the club. Or if we were gonna splash the cash big time, I would have just said f*ck it and bought Neymar and/or Gansao. Or possibly maybe Gotze?!

Hulk is as good as signed, from what I read, too! Awesome.

And has anyone heard the update from Liverpool? I read on Talksport FSG wants to bring Jurgen Klopp to Anfield as director of football and Roberto Martienez as manager. That, if given time, would be amazing from their point of view.

So what is it you don't rate about him? Curious as I haven't seen him play.

Impossible to tell what's happening with the Liverpool situation and Fenway Group's seemingly rather scattergun approach that apparently has resulted in van Gaal, Klopp, Rafa B, Martinez, Rodgers and others being targeted, although AVB is now apparently totally a non-starter after being the early favourite - and I even read the first snippet yesterday of a Spurs interest in AVB.

[Ross K]

PED and other gooners,

What's happening with you reds? Signed anyone? Anyone coming in? RVP latest?


Fena,

Seems like CFC could be a heck of a lot different with the likes of Hulk and Hazard, Modders, others. Scary stuff for the rest of us... to think that last season was probably a one-off in terms of how poor Chelsea were (and they only went and won the CL - LOL!) and now you should do better in the league!

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Originally Posted by Ross K

Fena,

Seems like CFC could be a heck of a lot different with the likes of Hulk and Hazard, Modders, others. Scary stuff for the rest of us... to think that last season was probably a one-off in terms of how poor Chelsea were (and they only went and won the CL - LOL!) and now you should do better in the league!

Haha yeah, it doesn't really make much sense. Do you think Modric will leave? He put in a transfer request last year and it didn't happen. Levy seems pretty stubborn so I can't see him selling for any less than an offer they got last year, which they won't be getting again.

[Dave M]

Originally Posted by Ross K

... to think that last season was probably a one-off in terms of how poor Chelsea were (and they only went and won the CL!

I really hope we have a season almost as poor as that next year!

[Feña14]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...o-striker.html

So Hazard yesterday, and Hulk is 90% done today.

I wonder if Abramovich will be turning his attention to a central midfielder and right back now. Debuchy in for Bosingwa, Moutinho for Meireles and M'Vila for Essien would be good.

Then all we have to do is hope Torres can do something at the front of it all.

Years ago I said Torres is great at what he does, but he can't do a whole lot else. People were lauding him the best striker in the World etc.. a few years ago, people would laugh at me saying Drogba was in a different league to him. Now Drogba is gone and Torres is still here, and i'd trade them in a heartbeat, even with Drogba being at the age he is.