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[Feña14]

Originally Posted by SempreSami

Ball had escaped him, Ferdinand was coming across to cover it.

Ferdinand would still be trying to get to the ball now, it's like he has velcro on the bottom of his boots when he tries to run. Torres would of got there first.

As for the minimal contact, Young went down under minimal contact too. At least Ivanovic jumped and was trying not to make contact, Evans was the one who initiated it with Torres.

Rooney should of been sent off also, Ferguson had to take him off because he had already pushed his luck.

[SempreSami]

Originally Posted by Feña14

Ferdinand would still be trying to get to the ball now, it's like he has velcro on the bottom of his boots when he tries to run. Torres would of got there first.

As for the minimal contact, Young went down under minimal contact too. At least Ivanovic jumped and was trying not to make contact, Evans was the one who initiated it with Torres.

Rooney should of been sent off also, Ferguson had to take him off because he had already pushed his luck.

Should of could of would of

Ferdinand might be slower than he used to be but he's not at John Terry levels of sluggishness.

[NickC]

Originally Posted by SempreSami

Chelsea score offside winner in x number of matches:

"Luck of the game lol"

Chelsea concede offside winner:

"WE WUZ ROBBED"

And should the roles had been reversed, you wouldn't do the same? Come on dude, that's the nature of following sport in general.

Besides, Chelsea were fortunate to have just the two reds. If a ref from Ligue 1 this season had been in charge, Luiz and Mikel would definitely have been off the pitch as well by virtue of being rubbish.

I agree that Mikel is sh*t, Luiz had the misfortune of being in the proverbial wrong place at the wrong time.

[crosscourt]

Just on the second Torres incident - and I only saw this on TV - my first impression was that Clattenburg must have thought he had made a mistake with the first incident - in other words that he only gave Torres a yellow card where it should have been red - and decided to rectify the error. But looking at the second incident again he did seem to hesitate when he saw that it was Torres. So it may be that he had mixed feelings about the red card. Highly controversial in any event.

[crosscourt]

Originally Posted by PureAlph4

Arsenal v QPR (Anthony Taylor): For me this was the quintessential performance of an over-officious referee who doesn't seem to understand football. His 'speciality' seems to be awarding a free kick any time a clean tackle is made, but where the tackler makes even the most incidental contact with the ball carrier (at least he was consistent with this, and for both sides); if this is modern football then we might as well make it a full non-contact sport and stop teaching slide tackling at any level. Apart from this he just came across as a very weak referee, allowing walls to encroach to 6 or 7 yards away for every free kick, and like Marriner failed to establish a framework for what was acceptable and not (inconsistent from minute to minute). Arsenal's winner was also offside, so another result decided by the officials.


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This was a game I was at. I didn't think it was ruined by the refereeing or even determined by the refereeing save in a very narrow way with the Arteta goal. I agree that it was football as a non-contact sport but that seemed to me down to the players who had evidently signed a non-aggression pact.

[SempreSami]

Originally Posted by NickC

And should the roles had been reversed, you wouldn't do the same? Come on dude, that's the nature of following sport in general.

Probably, but then I'm not keen on jumping on referees for being 'corrupt' because they've messed up a few decisions. In the film The Referees, Howard Webb's assistant Mike Mullarkey looks absolutely devastated during post-match analysis when he sees that he got an offside call wrong. I'm sure Andre Marriner might feel the same when he sees Suarez's hatchet job on Distin's achilles tendon.

I prefer to measure it in terms of luck, hence why it was so funny to see it desert Di Matteo and David Luiz last night.

[Ross K]

Originally Posted by Peters

Although the Premier League is entertaining in its own way, I sometimes think it's gone too far away from what football is all about.

It's starting to resemble pantomime too much these days.

Spot on. It's a bit of an unholy mess.

[crosscourt]

Originally Posted by Peters

Although the Premier League is entertaining in its own way, I sometimes think it's gone too far away from what football is all about.

It's starting to resemble pantomime too much these days.

I know what you mean but I can't remember a time when it hasn't seemed like a pantomime. There have always been larger than life villains, Peter Pans, ugly sisters, and any number of evil looking characters who make you shout "he's behind you". And that's just the managers. In recent years we have added a costume drama element because so often, as in Inspector Alleyn, when the dust settles it will be the foreigner from Viera to Torres who is the villain of the piece. As PureAlph4 says it is all escapism.

[SempreSami]

Originally Posted by crosscourt

I know what you mean but I can't remember a time when it hasn't seemed like a pantomime. There have always been larger than life villains, Peter Pans, ugly sisters, and any number of evil looking characters who make you shout "he's behind you". And that's just the managers. In recent years we have added a costume drama element because so often, as in Inspector Alleyn, when the dust settles it will be the foreigner from Viera to Torres who is the villain of the piece. As PureAlph4 says it is all escapism.

But then there's also elements of football culture which I don't feel sit well in a social context these days. Diving and playacting players often get likened to 'playing like girls', which is a load of rubbish considering there's virtually none of that in the women's game.

[Dave M]

"anticipating contact" is a phrase I really hate, every so often I start to think I could put up with Neville on tv then he starts up on that after the game yesterday.
I saw the super slow motion close up and Evans did catch Torres, so it was a fould, however what it looked like at full speed was before contact torres jumped at/over evans flailed a leg in the air and rolled around like a gymnast afterwards, it's not hard to see how the contact was missed. The yellow card was for simulation, which it's hard to argue he didn't do, shame it was his second card but (and i missed it on tv) but many seem to think he shouldn't of been on the pitch anyway by then..

Maybe the refs should wear a small camera on them so we see what they see.REF CAM, we could watch it on the red button. What i would like to have is what they do i think it's the bbc for rugby, you can choose your audio and the refs' microphone is one of the options, it's great as you can hear what is going on with decisions etc.

[Cesc Fabregas]

We're going to get hammered at OT on Saturday.

[Feña14]

I think the FA and people investigating what he said will find a way to stop it coming out. Can you imagine the controversy it would cause? To have a referee using abusive language towards two player, based on both nationality and race would be an even bigger story than the Terry case.

I've heard people today play devils advocate over the possibility of the game replayed if he is found to of said what he has been accused of. It's certainly an interesting theory, having a referee being shown to not be impartial, i.e controversially sending off a Spaniard after allegedly using derogatory remarks towards their Nationality in the game is as serious as it gets.

That's why I think it is unlikely we will ever know what he said, there are just too many problems to come out of it if he is found guilty.

[crosscourt]

If he said what he is supposed to have said I don't think the FA has any choice but to act against him. It would be interesting to know how many Premiership referees insult players.

[Cesc Fabregas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K_RG...ature=youtu.be

Wow, these guys have to banned from football grounds. Why do that do your own steward.

[SempreSami]

[NickC]

Originally Posted by Cesc Fabregas

We're going to get hammered at OT on Saturday.

Probably. Arsenal sometimes show up to United and pass them off the park but somehow loose. My only hope is that RVP gets routinely booed every time he touches the ball.

Originally Posted by Cesc Fabregas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K_RG...ature=youtu.be

Wow, these guys have to banned from football grounds. Why do that do your own steward.

Agree 200%.

Originally Posted by Feña14

That's why I think it is unlikely we will ever know what he said, there are just too many problems to come out of it if he is found guilty.

That's telling it like it is. If he's guilty, then the FA will have a lot of explaining to do, followed by a lot of soul-searching. Too bad that kind of thing won't come to light.

[Feña14]

Originally Posted by NickC

That's telling it like it is. If he's guilty, then the FA will have a lot of explaining to do, followed by a lot of soul-searching. Too bad that kind of thing won't come to light.

Indeed it won't, although the police are now involved so maybe they will find him guilty. If they do then that would put the FA in a difficult position. I said when Terry was cleared in court that the FA would still find a way to find him guilty, this time they will find a way to let their man off.

Apparently Mikel confronted Clattenburg over what he said after the match and it got a bit heated, Terry was apparently the one who stopped it getting out of hand, funny!

[PureAlph4]

Originally Posted by Cesc Fabregas

We're going to get hammered at OT on Saturday.

I shiver to think how United are going to bomb down our left flank and whip the ball in. Cole got shown up on Sunday, and we've got Andre Santos!

As I mentioned earlier in the season, I fear this is the game where we will be found out by the quick counter (the way United have punished us time and again). Vermaelen and Mertesacker quite often hold the line very high up the field when we have possession, and United will look to exploit that. It could be a match for Koscielny, for the extra recovery pace.

Probably another frustrating match where we look fairly impressive, have plenty of possession and a few good chances, but nevertheless lose by a couple of goals.

[crosscourt]

You are too pessimistic. United are good at their best but don't grip a game well enough. Arsenal have more strengths than their game suggests. They don't look like scoring many goals but that isnt the end of the world away at United.

[Ross K]

Steven Gerrard on Everton: "Long-ball team who play like Stoke"

Yes! I completely agree, and furthermore, they've played like Stoke for years and years. Ever since Joe Royles 'Dogs of War' Everton side I've got to be honest, I've always really disliked them. I'm not a huge fan of Moyes either, who everyones seems to rate so highly, or certainly the style his sides adopt. Glad he didn't come to Spurs.