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Old 07-13-2008, 02:18 PM   #1
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To all you parents and juniors that attend the Carson High Performance Facility, just this last week on Thursday they relieved at least 4 coaches of their jobs and are gonna restructure the programs their that have been "so highly successful already" does anyone know what's going on my daughter has attended there and the coaches she has worked with were fired ????
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:06 PM   #2
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yes they fired all the womens coaches except Ray Ruffles ,, they got rid of Kim Po ,Debbie Graham, Robin White not sure who that is and Wayde Maguire, Nicole Gibbs coach,, they are gonna do some changes to improve what i was told is the "highest quality of coaching" in the land in a letter that was sent to me by the big boss over their.

Good luck to you and your girl on your future plans thats all i know for now!
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Old 07-13-2008, 06:03 PM   #3
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The USTA is clueless and floundering. So once again they fire coaches and announce they will "improve". Meanwhile the US falls further behind the rest of the world's juniors.

The problem is not the coaches, it is the fact that the best US child athletes do not play tennis. The USTA rankings are a joke. The 10s, 12s, 14s are totally worthless, ego trips for parents of mediocre players who chase ranking points.

Then they hire Patrick McEnroe to save American junior tennis? When? Between his Davis Cup work or when he is not preparing and traveling to announce tournaments? What the heck does Patrick McEnroe know about developing tennis kids, spotting young talent, etc?

The USTA needs to get into the inner cities and build state of the art tennis facilities. Get the best athletes who play basketball and football and get them into tennis.

Pay big money to Andre Kozlov, Rick Macci, and coaches like that. Bring them the best athletes possible, pay the bills, and let them work with them.

They fired some good coaches....and not a damn thing will improve.
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The USTA is clueless and floundering. So once again they fire coaches and announce they will "improve". Meanwhile the US falls further behind the rest of the world's juniors.

The problem is not the coaches, it is the fact that the best US child athletes do not play tennis. The USTA rankings are a joke. The 10s, 12s, 14s are totally worthless, ego trips for parents of mediocre players who chase ranking points.

Then they hire Patrick McEnroe to save American junior tennis? When? Between his Davis Cup work or when he is not preparing and traveling to announce tournaments? What the heck does Patrick McEnroe know about developing tennis kids, spotting young talent, etc?

The USTA needs to get into the inner cities and build state of the art tennis facilities. Get the best athletes who play basketball and football and get them into tennis.

Pay big money to Andre Kozlov, Rick Macci, and coaches like that. Bring them the best athletes possible, pay the bills, and let them work with them.

They fired some good coaches....and not a damn thing will improve.
i dont know Mac's ability with kids but a couple of those coaches were the only ones to have results in the sectionals girls 18 Katelyn Christian winner Kim Po's project and Graham had a girl win the 12's i think

also both those women have invited Deiton over time and time again to hit ,,Debbie Graham was helping me and deiton find hits closer to his age to get him ready for his victory in the 12's sectionals so give her some credit on his triumph their
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I was there last week and I'll tell you what I saw.. They really cater to those young 10,11,12, year old kids... those kids stay in the USTA system for a long time and get all the benefits... but are they going to make a champion? no way... those women coaches stay there all day and do their thing and I can't see any improvments in those kids that are going to make the next champion.. USTA is missing the boat by investing so much time and money into so many coaches who can't get it done.. I keep saying,just hire Robert Lansdorps and let him run that program and compensate him well enough so he'll do it.. those teeny kids aren't going to make it... they are all good but as history shows,kids who are good now just can't seem to be the next champion.. there is nothing wrong with USA tennis because all those next champions(mostly)are getting their training here in the USA.. guys like Langdorps and Macci aren't going to work for peanuts.. you have to give them what they are worth. I'm sure they would love to see USA on top of the tennis world again but-- money talks..USTA makes 100s of millions a year on the US Open business alone.. so where does it all go to? pay these top guys top $$$ or a least give them a fair market value for their work ,I'm sure they will do it....
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Exactly....hire Lansdorp, Macci, and Kozlov. Send scouts into gyms all over America,especially the cities.

Fly in Lansdorp, Macci, and Kozlov and hold work outs, let them evaluate the kids and choose 10 kids each.

Sit down with the parents and offer to educate, train, and house the kids.

Give those 3 coaches 10 great athletes each and let them go to work.

The problem with American tennis is that we are choosing from among the best tennis kids....but not the best athletes. Lets face it, the top 10 boys in the USTA 10s, 12s, 14s, 16s would get demolished athletically by the top 100 boy basketball players of the same age.

We need to find the best athletes and then sell them on tennis.

If I see one more robotic 14 year old whose parents brag he is the 3rd ranked boy in this section or that state I think I will go crazy. They are mediocre athletes with zero chance of ever playing professional or D-1 tennis.

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Exactly....hire Lansdorp, Macci, and Kozlov. Send scouts into gyms all over America,especially the cities.

Fly in Lansdorp, Macci, and Kozlov and hold work outs, let them evaluate the kids and choose 10 kids each.

Sit down with the parents and offer to educate, train, and house the kids.

Give those 3 coaches 10 great athletes each and let them go to work.

The problem with American tennis is that we are choosing from among the best tennis kids....but not the best athletes. Lets face it, the top 10 boys in the USTA 10s, 12s, 14s, 16s would get demolished athletically by the top 100 boy basketball players of the same age.

We need to find the best athletes and then sell them on tennis.

If I see one more robotic 14 year old whose parents brag he is the 3rd ranked boy in this section or that state I think I will go crazy. They are mediocre athletes with zero chance of ever playing professional or D-1 tennis.
let see top athlete in tennis 5 million a year fed nadl ect. half the level in any other sport baseball basketball football thats a signing bonus!

some of your points are valid but the coaches you picked other then macci i dont know his "rep" are hard heads do it their way or get off the court kind of guys.

Thats not the usta's thinking you have to be positive, nice ,fun, it has to a great experience type of deal, thats what they live by in their teachings, its the philosphy that has to change!!
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Old 07-14-2008, 08:29 AM   #9
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I see what you guys are getting at, but I don't think any average Joe would give a s*** about American tennis. I'm a die hard tennis lover, but I don't see the point.

Tennis is an individual sport. AMERICAN TENNIS IS NOT THAT BAD. It may not be the best, but it surely isn't the worst. We have two guys in the top 10... some countries don't even have anyone in the top 50. Why do we Americans want to be on top? The only thing that matters to me is the Davis Cup. That is what determines the best country in tennis... and guess who won it last year? The United States of America.

Why is everyone trying to be the next Roger Federer? We all know that over 75% of these kids will never win an ATP event. If I were head of the USTA, I'd give one coach 5 guys. Let them work together for a decade and we'll see how far they can get. Don't change your faculty every year and say it's for improvement.
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:52 AM   #11
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American tennis is has been and always be about money.. it's a richman's sport to get good at,more so than golf... almost every US champion came from upper middle class or children of professional parents. all thos guys(Austin,Sampras,Davenport,) from PV are all rich kids before..tha'ts why USA tennis can not attract the best atheles like other sports. it take big money to get a kid to be good in tennis because tennis coaches do not come cheap.. in the SF bay area an average cost for a well trained tennis coach is around $100per/hr. so how many hours do you need to do to support a tournament player til they are 18yrs old ? golf at least has their own start up programs where a kid can play a round of golf for almost free during the summer months and many places a kid can sign up to take free golf lessons and hit at the driving range for very little money..
I don't see it changing anytime soon.look at all the Nat'l tournament kids,it cost a ton of $$ to travel and do everything eles.. all of the kids I see in FL are from well to do families.. it's just the way it is...
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Deiton "getto" Baughman is trying to fight his way out !!! LOL,, he doesn't have a coach he's travel to national tournament "hitchhiking" took him 2 1/2 weeks to get to Greensburrow,NC he said he caught a total of 17 different cars on the way ,, but the semi trucks always saved time and got him further!! you aint kidding its tough out there !! were using homing pigieons to send messages back and forth takes the birds about 4days to arrive with a new message!!
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haha brad. dont deitons sponsors pay for his travel?
 
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People continue to point to Roddick and Blake and say, "we have 2 players in the top 10".

What I am talking about is the next generation, after Roddick and Blake.

Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Spain and other countries have only begun their infatuation with tennis relatively recently. Some coaches in our group took a tour last year and brought back some videos showing lots of future Nadal caliber kids coming along.

I am looking ahead 7-10 years. Unless we get some of our best athletes into tennis, it is quite possible the top 100 will have no American males in 7-10 years. And we won't even sniff the top 10.

No offense to Mardy Fish and Sam Querrey, they are fringe top 50 talents now. In 7-10 years these other countries will have raised the bar a lot. Guys with Fish and Querrey level talents will not be competitive in 7-10 years.

We need some of the next generation of ARods, Chris Pauls, Kobes, Iversons playing tennis....or we simply will not be competitive. Until the USTA develops a plan to do that, they are wasting time.

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Exactly....hire Lansdorp, Macci, and Kozlov. Send scouts into gyms all over America,especially the cities.

Fly in Lansdorp, Macci, and Kozlov and hold work outs, let them evaluate the kids and choose 10 kids each.

Sit down with the parents and offer to educate, train, and house the kids.

Give those 3 coaches 10 great athletes each and let them go to work.

The problem with American tennis is that we are choosing from among the best tennis kids....but not the best athletes. Lets face it, the top 10 boys in the USTA 10s, 12s, 14s, 16s would get demolished athletically by the top 100 boy basketball players of the same age.

We need to find the best athletes and then sell them on tennis.

If I see one more robotic 14 year old whose parents brag he is the 3rd ranked boy in this section or that state I think I will go crazy. They are mediocre athletes with zero chance of ever playing professional or D-1 tennis.
It can be even easier: first get these kids interested in tennis. I've said it in other threads: the USTA should invest in grassroots programs where equipment and coaching is provided free or at a very discounted rate to folks who normally couldn't afford it.

As an example, there's a guy in the Phoenix area who asks that people pay what they feel they can afford. Some of the people he's trained are paying $10 a week for a substantial amount of training.

Donate your old racquets to some of the programs currently in existence. You'll get a little tax write-off and you'll be helping to equip kids who would not normally be able to afford equipment. An an example in the Phoenix area there's an organization called P.A.S.S. that accepts all kinds of sporting equipment for after school sports programs geared towards inner-city youth.
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Exactly....hire Lansdorp, Macci, and Kozlov. Send scouts into gyms all over America,especially the cities.

Fly in Lansdorp, Macci, and Kozlov and hold work outs, let them evaluate the kids and choose 10 kids each.

Sit down with the parents and offer to educate, train, and house the kids.

Give those 3 coaches 10 great athletes each and let them go to work.

The problem with American tennis is that we are choosing from among the best tennis kids....but not the best athletes. Lets face it, the top 10 boys in the USTA 10s, 12s, 14s, 16s would get demolished athletically by the top 100 boy basketball players of the same age.

We need to find the best athletes and then sell them on tennis.

If I see one more robotic 14 year old whose parents brag he is the 3rd ranked boy in this section or that state I think I will go crazy. They are mediocre athletes with zero chance of ever playing professional or D-1 tennis.
LOL! Great post, TCF. I was at the Clay Court Nationals in Ft. Laurdedale, today. And, I absolutely see your point. There were so many tiny, non-athletic guys. I couldn't help but think about what you posted yesterday as I watched these guys.
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haha brad. dont deitons sponsors pay for his travel?
he's mad at you , he said he tried to flag you down in the car you were hitching a ride in and he said you acted like you didn't see him that was in New Mexico LOL
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People continue to point to Roddick and Blake and say, "we have 2 players in the top 10".

What I am talking about is the next generation, after Roddick and Blake.

Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Spain and other countries have only begun their infatuation with tennis relatively recently. Some coaches in our group took a tour last year and brought back some videos showing lots of future Nadal caliber kids coming along.

I am looking ahead 7-10 years. Unless we get some of our best athletes into tennis, it is quite possible the top 100 will have no American males in 7-10 years. And we won't even sniff the top 10.

No offense to Mardy Fish and Sam Querrey, they are fringe top 50 talents now. In 7-10 years these other countries will have raised the bar a lot. Guys with Fish and Querrey level talents will not be competitive in 7-10 years.

We need some of the next generation of ARods, Chris Pauls, Kobes, Iversons playing tennis....or we simply will not be competitive. Until the USTA develops a plan to do that, they are wasting time.
you mean the payton manning's, steve young's, joe montana's, tom brady's the one who know how to use their brains and lead a team which every top player has!! fed has his team, rafa has his and so did all the greats ,, athletic's is only one of the many products you need for the formula to succeed
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you mean the payton manning's, steve young's, joe montana's, tom brady's the one who know how to use their brains and lead a team which every top player has!! fed has his team, rafa has his and so did all the greats ,, athletic's is only one of the many products you need for the formula to succeed
Brad, I don't like these examples. Quarterback is a different position. With the exception of Steve Young, I don't see any of these guys being a top 10 tennis player. Maybe Marcus Vick. I think TCF's examples were more accurate.
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Brad, I don't like these examples. Quarterback is a different position. With the exception of Steve Young, I don't see any of these guys being a top 10 tennis player. Maybe Marcus Vick. I think TCF's examples were more accurate.
the dimentions of a tennis court are proven that they dont favor "only" people with high athletic abilities but also those who can make changes (adjustments) during the course of a match. which QB's do they are athletic enough and are the brains of the team
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