*** New Stringway Cross Stringing Tool***

[Il Mostro]

Looks like something you'd see on TV if there were infomercials for stringers

[Irvin]

I wouldn't waste my time and money with it. I am wondering why they started in the middle ofthe racket. Seems like it would take some time to set up and take out. And I am not sure you are going to be able to use it at all when you are near the end of the crosses.

If you can't pull tension with the tool in place that means you have to go back and pull all the cross through again and will have less space to move the crosses so they do not burn the mains. Poor idea in my opinion.

Irvin

[ls206]

Originally Posted by 1012007

Im sure they would make more than 1 I think they are planning to release them for sale

haha, no I meant they're the only company with one.

oo, btw, any update on the MxTch?

[1012007]

The lady who is using the tool isnt a stringer herself. She is just demostrating the tool. Also, apparently there was a Wimledon stringer at the GSS and they said it was faster than weaving.

You are able to tension the string while its in the tool. However as there is no friction with the mains, you have to adjust the tension and drop it down by around 8 lbs

[1012007]

Here is some more info I have received:



About the speed:

Stringway want to show stringers how much time one can save with the tool and so they did a test. They measured the time needed to put 6 cross strings in and to pull through 4 meters of string. It took 94 seconds, which is an average of 15.6 seconds per string. This is without pulling tension.



I would like to summarize the advantages of using the tool:
* Weaving goes quicker and the speed is the same for nylon, gut and poly strings.

* Weaving high density patterns goes as quick as weaving low density patterns.

* Pulling the string through is quicker, without friction.

* Minimum chance of misweaves.

* No danger of “burning” the string.

* The level of concentration can be lower, it is easier to string more racquets without interruption.

* The cross strings can be tensioned through the tool without friction. But in that case the tension on the crosses must be dropped considerably depending on the pitch of the string and the roughness of the string.


I am interested to hear what price would be reasonable in your opinion for one tool (HD or LD, which i talked about in the 1st post) and for the 2?

[Mansewerz]

Honestly, it seems like more of a hassle. I enjoy crosses (well, at least on syn guts, i hardly do poly as of right now, only ever done it twice, and one of the two times was just for mains). It takes the fun out of the crosses. Plus, I could probably do weaves faster than that without the tool.

Also, stringway is a little weird. WTF is the lady wearing?

[1012007]

LOL dont ask what the lady is wearing... but i believe she isnt a stringer herself, shes just showing how the tool works, so im sure all of us could do it quicker than that. As my post above says, 6 crosses in 94 seconds is pretty good

[jim e]

Originally Posted by 1012007

Here is some more info I have received:



About the speed:

Stringway want to show stringers how much time one can save with the tool and so they did a test. They measured the time needed to put 6 cross strings in and to pull through 4 meters of string. It took 94 seconds, which is an average of 15.6 seconds per string. This is without pulling tension.



I would like to summarize the advantages of using the tool:
* Weaving goes quicker and the speed is the same for nylon, gut and poly strings.

* Weaving high density patterns goes as quick as weaving low density patterns.

* Pulling the string through is quicker, without friction.

* Minimum chance of misweaves.

* No danger of “burning” the string.

* The level of concentration can be lower, it is easier to string more racquets without interruption.

* The cross strings can be tensioned through the tool without friction. But in that case the tension on the crosses must be dropped considerably depending on the pitch of the string and the roughness of the string.


I am interested to hear what price would be reasonable in your opinion for one tool (HD or LD, which i talked about in the 1st post) and for the 2?

Why would someone tension with the tool in place and then guess what to lower the tension at to compensate for friction? 8 lbs. for evey racquet and every type of string sounds very bogus to me .It also seems like there is insufficient space to keep the tool in place and the machine clamp as well.
Seems more of a gimmick. I bet the slam stringers will not use it for the opens.

[Irvin]

I was curious so I just strung a racket and ran the first six crosses without pulling tension on them I had two blocked holes and one of those Wilson rackets with the power holes so it slowed me down a little bit. I took me 83 seconds to run those six crosses without pulling tension. Then it took me another two minutes 43 seconds to pull tension on those six crosses.

The tool may prevent you from burning the mains when you pull the string through but not after you release the tool. I found it more difficult to pull the strings through because of all the slack and extra care I had to use to prevent burning.

If you want one though by all means buy it.

Irvin

[iplaybetter]

Originally Posted by 1012007

Here is some more info I have received:



About the speed:

Stringway want to show stringers how much time one can save with the tool and so they did a test. They measured the time needed to put 6 cross strings in and to pull through 4 meters of string. It took 94 seconds, which is an average of 15.6 seconds per string. This is without pulling tension.



I would like to summarize the advantages of using the tool:
* Weaving goes quicker and the speed is the same for nylon, gut and poly strings.

* Weaving high density patterns goes as quick as weaving low density patterns.

* Pulling the string through is quicker, without friction.

* Minimum chance of misweaves.

* No danger of “burning” the string.

* The level of concentration can be lower, it is easier to string more racquets without interruption.

* The cross strings can be tensioned through the tool without friction. But in that case the tension on the crosses must be dropped considerably depending on the pitch of the string and the roughness of the string.

adressing the two bold points:
1)wisweavs are beyond rare, with this if you become to relaxed you will either avoid misweavs or have a hideous misweave
2)i dont know about you, but stringing is almost subconscious for me, any less concentration and id be asleep

just how i see it, i think that there is a large group who would benefit greatly from this, and that is those who string for themselves and a few friends or under 50rackets a year, people doing 100-500 would probably find this detrimental

[YULitle]

Originally Posted by iplaybetter

adressing the two bold points:
1)wisweavs are beyond rare, with this if you become to relaxed you will either avoid misweavs or have a hideous misweave
2)i dont know about you, but stringing is almost subconscious for me, any less concentration and id be asleep

just how i see it, i think that there is a large group who would benefit greatly from this, and that is those who string for themselves and a few friends or under 50rackets a year, people doing 100-500 would probably find this detrimental

+1,000

Just practice people. You seriously will be faster and you'll think it silly that you ever wanted to use any sort of tool to weave.

[diredesire]

Originally Posted by 1012007

I doubt it would reduce the tension on the mains as they have already been tensioned, clamped and tied off (if doing 2piece)

Sure it would, if only slightly. If you tie a string in place and yank it out a foot, does your answer change? (sure, string is resilient, but it can still stretch.)

As far as this tool, it could be nice, but it is still a little rough in implementation, IMHO. I think it could be done better... I might try a prototype just for fun

[YULitle]

Originally Posted by diredesire

Sure it would, if only slightly. If you tie a string in place and yank it out a foot, does your answer change? (sure, string is resilient, but it can still stretch.)

As far as this tool, it could be nice, but it is still a little rough in implementation, IMHO. I think it could be done better... I might try a prototype just for fun

One thing that I DO like about this little device is that it's basically the same idea I had for weaving in an auto-robotic stringing machine. Remember that? This little device pretty much puts the nay-sayers to rest.

[diredesire]

Originally Posted by YULitle

One thing that I DO like about this little device is that it's basically the same idea I had for weaving in an auto-robotic stringing machine. Remember that? This little device pretty much puts the nay-sayers to rest.

Right you are YUL, I definitely think that it is possible with current technology to automate stringing, but it's not worth the investment to make the system robust

I am really liking the idea behind this device, though.

[rasajadad]

I would also caution that it doesn't look like it will fit in to do the first two and the last two crosses.

[YULitle]

Originally Posted by rasajadad

I would also caution that it doesn't look like it will fit in to do the first two and the last two crosses.

Which is why they didn't show them doing those crosses.

Imagine how much trouble you'll have with those crosses once you get used to this contraption and not ACTUAL WEAVING.

[bigmatt]

101207: I was at the GSS Symposium and tried the tool. I was told by the man from Stringway that you CANNOT tension the string in it; I think maybe the "Wimbledon stringer" is wrong in this respect, or the man who invented the tool is incorrect. Unless one of them is on this board and can comment, you'll just have to take your pick.
Mansewerz: I don't think the use of this tool has anything to do with whether or not you "enjoy crosses". It's about increasing the speed you can install them and/or reducing frictional losses. I think that, if you can't tension the string inside the unit, fricitonal loss savings will be minimal or nonexistent: "fanning" the cross while pulling it through should take care of most, if not all, frictional losses not caused by tensioning.

[1012007]

I have contacted SW more about this tool. I asked a few questions and ill answer them here.

First of all, you can tension the string while its placed in the tool.
Also, if the tool doesnt fit into the first 1 or 2 crosses, you can just put the tool in the middle of the racket and "weave" like you would do normally. Then just put the string back into the correct grommet. However the tool probably wouldn't fit into the last 2 or 3 crosses

[Ronaldo]

So the crosses are started at the middle and strung 50/50?

[1012007]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

So the crosses are started at the middle and strung 50/50?

No, the tool is too big to be put where the first and second crosses are. Despite this, you can still "weave" the first 2 crosses if you place the tool in the middle of the string bed, put the string through, then put the string in the correct grommet