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12-17-2011, 09:33 AM
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Serve:Bueno and Court Forehand:Wills and Bueno BH: Connolly and Goolagong Volley:King and Court Overhead:Court and Gibson Volley:Gibson and KIng Tactics:King Menthal Strength:Court and Connolly Endurance/Physical strength:Court and Richey
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12-17-2011, 10:00 AM
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First Serve Petros
Second Serve Petros Forehand Petros Backhand Topspin & /or Drive Petros Backhand Slice Petros Overhead Petros Forehand Volley Petros Backhand Volley Petros Tenacity/Fighting Spirit Petros Tactical Brain Petros Physical Strength & Endurance Jim "The Rock" Courier |
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12-17-2011, 10:07 AM
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" I have watched plenty of matches of the 70´s and 80´s" ABMK, the historian |
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12-17-2011, 10:23 AM
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I added a few catagories that I thought were important at the bottom:
Sampras - First Serve Sampras - Second Serve Federer - Forehand Agassi - Backhand Topspin & /or Drive Rosewall - Backhand Slice Gonzales - Overhead Edberg - Forehand Volley Roche - Backhand Volley Borg - Tenacity/Fighting Spirit (Focus) Newcombe/Rosewall - Tactical Brain Borg/Nadal - Physical Strength & Endurance Sampras/Borg - Speed Federer - Footwork |
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12-17-2011, 11:34 AM
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I am adding the women to the right, changing a name here or there to the men with an asterix , and including a return of serve. and using the open era as my cut off. Connors - Return of serve- Evert Just added the last one. Sampras - First Serve - Court Sampras - Second Serve - gotta think on this one * Lendl - Forehand - Graf *Connors - Backhand Topspin & /or Drive - Evert Rosewall - Backhand Slice - Navratilova *Sampras - Overhead - Navratilova *MacEnroe - Forehand Volley - King * Edberg - Backhand Volley - King Borg - Tenacity/Fighting Spirit (Focus) - Evert Newcombe/Rosewall - Tactical Brain - King Borg/Nadal - Physical Strength & Endurance - Serena/ Navratilova Sampras/Borg - Speed - Graf Federer - Footwork - - Graf Last edited by BTURNER : 12-17-2011 at 11:45 AM. |
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12-17-2011, 11:49 AM
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ALL ROUND GAME Laver for men and Mandlikova for women
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" I have watched plenty of matches of the 70´s and 80´s" ABMK, the historian |
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12-17-2011, 12:21 PM
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First Serve - Karlovic
Second Serve - Isner Forehand - Del Potro Backhand Topspin & /or Drive - Safin Backhand Slice - Petzschner Overhead - Sampras Forehand Volley - McEnroe Backhand Volley - Edberg Tenacity/Fighting Spirit - Connors Tactical Brain - Federer Physical Strength & Endurance - Nadal
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Jumping one-handed topspin backhand drive volley short angle cross court passing shot on the run-->One of the longest names for a tennis shot |
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12-17-2011, 12:30 PM
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" I have watched plenty of matches of the 70´s and 80´s" ABMK, the historian |
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12-17-2011, 12:35 PM
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By decade
1970 Serve: Tanner 2º serve:Newcombe Overhead:Newcombe FH: Borg and Nastase BH: Connors and Rosewall FH Volley:Newcombe BH Volley: Ashe/Roche Drop:Orantes Lob:Orantes and Newcombe Overhead:Newcombe Return: Connors All round:Laver and Nastase Menthal:Borg Physical:Borg Strategy:Ashe/Nastase 1980 Serve: Becker 2º serve:Mac Overhead:Becker/Edberg FH: Lendl BH: Edberg FH Volley:Mac BH Volley: Edberg Drop:Mayer Lob:Lendl and Wilander Return:Wilander All round:Mac Menthal:Wilander and Becker Physical:Lendl Strategy:Wilander
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12-17-2011, 12:40 PM
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Serve: Ivanisevic 2º serve:Sampras Overhead:Sampras/Krajicek FH: Sampras and Courier BH: Agassi-Kuetren FH Volley:Rafter BH Volley: Stich Drop:Rios Lob:Bruguera Return:Agassi All round:Sampras and Stich Menthal:Sampras Physical:Rafter/Muster Strategy:Chang CURRENT ERA Serve: Roddick 2º serve:Federer Overhead:Federer and Roddick FH: Federer-Safin BH: Nadal/Djokovic FH Volley  ????? -Rafter-BH Volley: ????? - Henman- Drop:Federer Lob:Nadal Return:Hewitt All round:None, closest one is Federer Menthal:Nadal Physical:Nadal and Federer Strategy:nadal and Davidenkho
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12-17-2011, 12:41 PM
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Federer with Sampras serve and Nalbandian backhand.
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Sampras, Rios, Federer, Tsonga, Nishikori, Gulbis, Bahrami |
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12-17-2011, 12:52 PM
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Best movers
1970´s: Borg and Vitas 1980´s: Wilander and Kriek 1990´s: Chang and Rios current; Nadal and Hewitt
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12-17-2011, 12:57 PM
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BEST SHOTS BEFORE OPENE RA ( not included players that still played in 1970´s)
Serve: Gonzales 2º serve:Kramer FH:Tilden,Cochet and Perry BH: Budge,Lacoste and Emerson Return:Quist,Lacoste Overhead:Gonzales FH volley: Kramer and Sedgman BH volley:Hoad and Bromwich Tactics:Kramer Menthal:Tilden and Gonzales Strength/Speed:Hoad - when not injuried -, Emmo Lob:Santana Drop:Santana,Drobny and Pietrangeli
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12-17-2011, 01:33 PM
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Men
First Serve: Roddick 2nd Serve: Sampras Forehand: Federer Backhand: Connors Return: Agassi Overhead: Sampras or Connors...close call FH Volley: McEnroe BH Volley: Edberg Tactics: Wilander Mental: tough one...Borg? Tenacity: Rafa Endurance: Rafa Speed: Borg Footwork: Borg Women First Serve: Serena 2nd Serve: Serena Forehand: Graf or Davenport Backhand: Evert or Henin, depending on if you prefer a 1 or 2 hander Return: Dementieva...some will laugh...her return game is the reason she was in the top 10 for so long...one season she won 49% of her return games.. Overhead: Navratilova after much work tocounter the Evert Lob FH Volley: King BH Volley: Navratilova Tactics: Hingis or King Mental: Evert Tenacity: Evert Endurance: Navratilova Speed: Graf Footwork: Graf |
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12-17-2011, 01:40 PM
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12-17-2011, 01:47 PM
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12-17-2011, 02:21 PM
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12-17-2011, 03:00 PM
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Just a few comments/thoughts.
1. women's return, I have traditionally handed this one to Evert because she was so effective vs both baseliners and S/Vers over so long and so many threats from Court through Graf, but I honestly had not given thought to measuring via break of serve stats vs return winner/forced error stats. Dementieva is hard to argue against. 2. Women's backhand slice. I twist and turn over Martina or Graf. Martina's was so versatile and deadly on grass while Graf's was steadier and more potent on clay. 3. Who are some other nominees for women's second serve besides Serena? |
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12-17-2011, 03:04 PM
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First Serve-Karolovic, Isner, Neal Fraser, Tanner Second Serve-Tanner (I recall it being good but it's been a long time.) Forehand-Ken Fletcher, Tom Okker (loved his forehand), Pancho Segura (Perhaps the greatest shot in the history of tennis according to those who saw it) Backhand-Arthur Ashe, Frank Kovacs, Guillermo Vilas Overhead-Yannick Noah-I sincerely think this may be the best overhead of all time. Noah had great leaping ability and his overheads usually went into the stands. Think of Sampras but with greater leaping ability. Another choice is Dick Stockton. Return-Frank Kovacs, John Bromwich Forehand Volley-Vijay Amritraj, Budge Patty Backhand Volley-Tony Roche Tactics-??? Maybe Orantes? Mental-Harold Solomon Tenacity-Harold Solomon Endurance-Vilas Speed-Gerulaitis, Kriek, Okker Footwork-Bobby Riggs |
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12-17-2011, 03:43 PM
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For all of these strokes & tennis abilities - who had the best ever?
First Serve Stich Second Serve Sampras Forehand Nadal or Lendl depending upon surface Backhand Topspin & /or Drive Laver Backhand Slice Rosewall Overhead Sampras Forehand Volley Edberg or Lots of Aussies Backhand Volley Roche Return of Serve Agassi Tenacity/Fighting Spirit Nadal at his best Tactical Brain Federer Physical Strength & Endurance Borg |
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