Robert Landsdorp as a coach.

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by mightyrick

Nobody is threatened by a perspective or an observation. . . .

Really? You might want to reconsider that premise.

[FrisbeeFool]

Originally Posted by 5263

At least I give an even handed account on RL strengths and weaknesses as I
see them, and not bold lies like you above. You seem way more of a devotee or
follower because you can't abide any possible negative about RL and you see
nothing good with MTM. Good sign of one with an agenda.

The two issues above are unrelated other than how their techniques differ.
What does RL have to do with Oscar? how do you get there?

Look at the entire post you quoted instead of taking one line out of context and you will have an answer to your question. The two have no connection in mind, just like Federer and Berdych have no place in this discussion. I trust Sampras's first hand accounts of his experiences with Robert Lansdorp. I have offered links that offer even-handed first hand accounts of Robert Lansdorp, and discuss his strengths and weakness. Most of your posts in this thread are not on topic and are actually not about the real Robert Lansdorp or his coaching. I think I'll trust Sampras, Davenport, Austin, and others first hand accounts of their personal experiences with Robert Lansdorp, thank you.

Did you read the link I posted, where Eric Amend contributes his first hand opinion of Lansdorp in the comments section. It's pretty illuminating.

Originally Posted by FrisbeeFool

5263 has an axe to grind with Lansdorp because 5263 is a devotee of Oscar Wegner. Nearly everyone here disagrees with 5263, but he posts 10 times for each one post of other posters. Wegner tries to sell DVDs and books online by denegrating other coaches and exaggerating his own credentials. http://www.oscarwegner.com/2012/05/t...ohn-carpenter/ In this link, Wegner claims Lansdorp doesn't understand topspin, and didn't play a significant role in coaching Pete Sampras. Pete Sampras's own autobiography contradicts this, and is highly laudatory in regards to Robert Lansdorp.

Lansdorp has personally developed many number one players, so how can anyone blame him for Americas alleged tennis failures. He is just one guy coaching private lessons in Southern California.

[tennisfan69]

Originally Posted by FrisbeeFool

Look at the entire post you quoted instead of taking one line out of context and you will have an answer to your question. The two have no connection in mind, just like Federer and Berdych have no place in this discussion. I trust Sampras's first hand accounts of his experiences with Robert Lansdorp. I have offered links that offer even-handed first hand accounts of Robert Lansdorp, and discuss his strengths and weakness. Most of your posts in this thread are not on topic and are actually not about the real Robert Lansdorp or his coaching. I think I'll trust Sampras, Davenport, Austin, and others first hand accounts of their personal experiences with Robert Lansdorp, thank you.

Did you read the link I posted, where Eric Amend contributes his first hand opinion of Lansdorp in the comments section. It's pretty illuminating.

Can we say if we send one talented 5 year old kid to Robert and make the kid stay and learn/coach/drill with Robert till he is say 19-20 years, we can get a grand slam champion. i would say Yes. what say you all....

[connico]

Originally Posted by tennisfan69

Can we say if we send one talented 5 year old kid to Robert and make the kid stay and learn/coach/drill with Robert till he is say 19-20 years, we can get a grand slam champion. i would say Yes. what say you all....

I wouldn't bet on it...

[5263]

Originally Posted by FrisbeeFool

Look at the entire post you quoted instead of taking one line out of context .

Naa, I'll just do my post and let you do yours.
By the way, tennis magazine digital suggest that Fed's 40 UEs tell the story
of the match & UEs most often come from going for too much.

I don't have any problem with RL, and am glad to hear all the good things his
fans can share about him. I'm very happy to look thru those for some useful
truths. Would be nice if I didn't have to deal with fans who want to create
drama with misinfo and mis-stating my position.
Clearly he has made a fine contribution to many players games and imo
the obvious couple of things have some forth and maybe some more subtle
things will be learned with time.

[5263]

Originally Posted by FrisbeeFool

Did you read the link I posted, where Eric Amend contributes his first hand opinion of Lansdorp in the comments section. It's pretty illuminating.

sure did and agree with you very... illuminating & like my take on him as well.
Quoted it before, but guess you missed it.
Here are most of the final summary pts:

In a world of PC, he is politically incorrect....who really cares, but over does it
In a world of the quick fix, he teaches discipline....probably his best quality!
In a world of technology, he uses an ace bandage to tie the player's hand to his racket so as to make the player and the racket "one.".....Ok I guess
In a world of "do it ... but quickly," he emphasizes repetition to the point of frustration....Right up there as a best quality!
In a world of many tennis grips, he prefers one or two grips to be used consistently....RL is on record that aggressive grips are a negative but is wrong
In a tennis world that emphasizes top spin, he emphasizes flat, driving groundstrokes....another mistake as you must have both in spades

[5263]

Originally Posted by tennisfan69

Can we say if we send one talented 5 year old kid to Robert and make the kid stay and learn/coach/drill with Robert till he is say 19-20 years, we can get a grand slam champion. i would say Yes. what say you all....

Totally unfair challenge but would be incredibly impressive if he could.
Conni is right, and highly unlikely for any coach at least in Men's game.
Might could do it in WTA if he screened the girl well.

[JohnYandell]

Robert would be the first to say--I've asked him--that when he looks at a young player there is no way to say this one is a sure champion. "Maybe" is as far as anyone can really say, but beyond that only time with all the factors involved can tell. No one is a fortune teller and those that claim to be have the credibility of fortune tellers.

Robert has proved himself one of the most flexible and adaptive coaches in the history of junior development. He has learned from the players. As the game has evolved with reverse finishes and wiper finishes, he has studied that evolution and incorporated it into his teaching.

He understands players from Pete to Nadal. He isn't bound by any ideologies.

[arche3]

Originally Posted by JohnYandell

Robert would be the first to say--I've asked him--that when he looks at a young player there is no way to say this one is a sure champion. "Maybe" is as far as anyone can really say, but beyond that only time with all the factors involved can tell. No one is a fortune teller and those that claim to be have the credibility of fortune tellers.

So is Ric Maci a fool for proclaiming one of his young kids is a slam champion every few years? I agree with Robert. No way to know. How does Maci know?

[5263]

Originally Posted by arche3

So is Ric Maci a fool for proclaiming one of his young kids is a slam champion every few years? I agree with Robert. No way to know. How does Maci know?

Macci is picking from his best of the best he has to look at and will still likely
not have a top 10 players in most cases, much less a winner of Majors (on
men's side) I do think the women's side is wide open for odd things to happen.

Macci is a promoter in this case. Not a fool, cause he makes money and few will
remember unless he is right.
Remember, he was passing on Williams sisters till one walked off the courts on
her hands, lol.
I guess when my son was there at 15 he should have dunked as he left the court
having beat Macci's yr older player 1 &1.

[tennisfan69]

Originally Posted by 5263

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In a world of many tennis grips, he prefers one or two grips to be used consistently....RL is on record that aggressive grips are a negative but is wrong
In a tennis world that emphasizes top spin, he emphasizes flat, driving groundstrokes....another mistake as you must have both in spades

heard from my friend in LA, Robert has stopped recommending or changing grips to players UNLESS the player has been coaching with him continuously for some time and the kid is young enough.

Flat hitting is recommended for most of the shots by Robert. He also recommends using spin for situations where it is required.

actually i agree with John that Robert is still a great learner of Current tennis, I wouldnt call it Modern because what ever IS current IS modern, but he has also some foundation building methods that are age and time tested and proven.

[TennisCJC]

Originally Posted by tennisfan69

Can we say if we send one talented 5 year old kid to Robert and make the kid stay and learn/coach/drill with Robert till he is say 19-20 years, we can get a grand slam champion. i would say Yes. what say you all....

I say yea if the kid is an offspring of Andre Agassi and Steffi Graff. I like Robert and would love to take a lesson from him but let's give him a sporting chance by priming the pump with some good genes.

[5263]

Originally Posted by tennisfan69

heard from my friend in LA, Robert has stopped recommending or changing grips to players UNLESS the player has been coaching with him continuously for some time and the kid is young enough.

Flat hitting is recommended for most of the shots by Robert. He also recommends using spin for situations where it is required.

actually i agree with John that Robert is still a great learner of Current tennis, I wouldnt call it Modern because what ever IS current IS modern, but he has also some foundation building methods that are age and time tested and proven.

Yes, he is learning after multiple GSs are won by less conservative grips, which he
said couldn't happen, but wasn't long ago where he was loudly proclaiming how
coaches who allow this were not telling you that 6-8 yrs down the road, these
grip left you screwed. (paraphrased)
Not bashing him or anything, but just an area where he decided to be outspoken
and drive home a point, but was very wrong. I still think his reps and discipline are
very key! I know some will whine at any mention of a mistake by him.

[JohnYandell]

I don't think I have heard Rick say this or that kid will definitely win a slam.