video of high level 94 player at copper bowl

[Tennis_Bum]

Originally Posted by tenniscp

Did you post this thread because you were impressed with the level of play or was your intention to expose the kid for making a bad call?

I do agree, the kid does make a wrong call, but he does it rather quickly and convincingly, which could point to one of two scenarios:

1) He is a master at making bad calls and does it in style OR
2) While running hard to track down a well struck ball by his opponent, he makes a wrong call, but considering the angle and speed of the ball, it was not intentional.

To label someone a cheater, there has to be more than one instance where bad calls are made. Unless there is history with this particular kid (whom you do mention by his first and last name, so I am assuming you have an invested interest here) that you are aware of.

That was way in, by five inches at least. The kid cheated. No doubt in my mind. He had time to look at the ball cleanly. He was in a weak position so he decided to win the point by cheating as opposed to hitting it back with a weak reply and loose the point anyway.

[autumn_leaf]

i agree with most and say that's a cheat. i don't wear my glasses when i play and even i could see that was in.

it would've been more likely it was a mistake if his opponent hit a hard flat onto the baseline but that was a very loopy shot. i see that there was a guy standing at the net, is he a ref?? cause he ain't doing his job!!

on another note i see that my spell check isn't picking up "ain't" as a misspelling; has it suddenly become a word?

[rosenstar]

Originally Posted by autumn_leaf

i agree with most and say that's a cheat. i don't wear my glasses when i play and even i could see that was in.

it would've been more likely it was a mistake if his opponent hit a hard flat onto the baseline but that was a very loopy shot. i see that there was a guy standing at the net, is he a ref?? cause he ain't doing his job!!

I remember that in my junior tournaments, umpires couldn't overrule unless the call was questioned and close by them. Usually they don't do anything except call foot faults and lecture you during a change over about losing your temper haha

[ClarkC]

Here's what I see on the video:

1. Player gets mad when he misses his first serve.
2. Player then hits a very good kick second serve and plays a good point with lots of good angle shots from both players.
3. Player then calls an obviously good shot out.
4. Player then engages in conversation with someone off to the right. Is he being coached in between points?

I can only assume that an enemy of this kid has posted the video.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Tennis_Bum

That was way in, by five inches at least. The kid cheated. No doubt in my mind. He had time to look at the ball cleanly. He was in a weak position so he decided to win the point by cheating as opposed to hitting it back with a weak reply and loose the point anyway.

Five inches?!? At least? It clipped the inside of the line. That isn't nearly five inches.

[tenniscp]

Originally Posted by Fred

Five inches?!? At least? It clipped the inside of the line. That isn't nearly five inches.

I agree with Fred. The ball is in but it touches the line on the inside. Upon further review, I notice a line judge standing in the middle and actually agreeing with an out call (so much for these refs!!!), there must have been a reason why the ref was there.

After that I hear someone conversing with Samarjic, who in turn asks his opponent to calm that party down. I guess, there were some pleasantries uttered by that person addressed to Samarjic.

All in all, not a pleasant situation, however, nothing that does not take place in junior tennis in US. One thing is for sure though, that Samarjic does possess a pretty good kick serve and looks like he hits the ball pretty well.

[TennisLover17]

Wow that was a reallllllllly bad call

[babolatking]

Well that kid made a realllllly good call

[tennisguyak]

He knew it was in. (at 35 sec.) otherwise he wouldn't have tried to describe how far out it was. I hate when people do that. But I did play against one really good team that said if they weren't sure of a call, their coach made them call it against themselves. I thought that was pretty cool of them

[tenniscp]

Originally Posted by tennisguyak

He knew it was in. (at 35 sec.) otherwise he wouldn't have tried to describe how far out it was. I hate when people do that. But I did play against one really good team that said if they weren't sure of a call, their coach made them call it against themselves. I thought that was pretty cool of them

How can you be so sure? Is that what you do? When you make a bad call , do you engage in a lengthy description of how far it was out?

Or does making a quick and snappy out call necessarily mean that it was the right call?

The kid certainly makes a wrong call, but unless there is additional evidence that he has been making bad calls the whole match, then we will never know.

As it stands now, it is an isolated incident of a bad call. Certainly not enough to label the kid a cheater, otherwise all the people who ever touched the racquet and a ball are cheaters, because we all have made wrong calls.

[mrmo1115]

The match was vs Gage Brymer and Samardzic won 6-4 in the third, does anyone know who he conversed with during the video? Definitely couldn't be coaching b/c there was a blind ref on the court who couldn't overule that easy hook on the baseline at 36 secs.

edit; now looking at the vid one more time, i think its actually someone from brymer's side who knew it was in and started to converse w/ samardzic, resulting in samardzic to tell the guy, "ask the linejudge , he/she said it was out", before starting to wind up for serve for the next point...

USTA needs some new and good line judges BAD ! !!!

[tennis1967]

Looks like the guy pulled it off right under the refs nose.
How cool was that.
Ognjen RULES!!

[deddied]

ayywhang, i lost to him 1-1

[tenniscp]

Originally Posted by mrmo1115

The match was vs Gage Brymer and Samardzic won 6-4 in the third, does anyone know who he conversed with during the video? Definitely couldn't be coaching b/c there was a blind ref on the court who couldn't overule that easy hook on the baseline at 36 secs.

edit; now looking at the vid one more time, i think its actually someone from brymer's side who knew it was in and started to converse w/ samardzic, resulting in samardzic to tell the guy, "ask the linejudge , he/she said it was out", before starting to wind up for serve for the next point...

USTA needs some new and good line judges BAD ! !!!

Wow, that is a lot of information. Do you happen to know what the score was at the time when the call was made. Was it a crucial point?

Is there a campaign in progress to expose or out Samardzic? So many people seem to want to accuse him of cheating, has he beaten a lot of juniors and they ganged up on him or is he really a cheater that has made bad calls before?

[SmAsH999]

my god, this guy is such a cheater

[tenniscp]

BTW, Samardjic just got to the semis of 16's level 3 National in Florida, had a good win over Gordon Watson (was one of the top 1993's). Anybody has videos of this match? Just kidding

[bet]

Originally Posted by Fred

Five inches?!? At least? It clipped the inside of the line. That isn't nearly five inches.

Yes. It was just inside the line but when the other kid asks him "how far was it out?", Samarjic indicates with his hands, well over 5 inches out. Sorry Samrjic defenders, no top junior has eyesight/judgemnt that bad on a ball he was clearly on top of and looking at, which had a high arc and was not particularly fast.

He knew. Though he might have well been actively trying to delude himself. It happens, under pressure, but nothing excuses it. Shameful.

How many other points were affected because the other kid has to deal with being ripped off in a tight match. He looks to be trying to deal with it well, but you cannot help but thing about a blatant rip-off like that, and that alone, means your focus is not as good as it would have been. That bad call may actually have cheated him out of a number of points.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by bet

Yes. It was just inside the line but when the other kid asks him "how far was it out?", Samarjic indicates with his hands, well over 5 inches out. Sorry Samrjic defenders, no top junior has eyesight/judgemnt that bad on a ball he was clearly on top of and looking at, which had a high arc and was not particularly fast.

He knew. Though he might have well been actively trying to delude himself. It happens, under pressure, but nothing excuses it. Shameful.

How many other points were affected because the other kid has to deal with being ripped off in a tight match. He looks to be trying to deal with it well, but you cannot help but thing about a blatant rip-off like that, and that alone, means your focus is not as good as it would have been. That bad call may actually have cheated him out of a number of points.

1) I was responding to a claim that the ball landed five inches in, which it most certainly did not.

2) His back was turned when he indicated how far out the ball was, so it's hard to tell exactly how far apart his hands were. That said, it does not appear that they were nearly five inches apart. I would add that players are not always precise when they indicate how far out a ball was.

3) It was one point. It's a big leap to suggest that his opponent may have directly or indirectly been cheated out of numerous points.

[bet]

Originally Posted by Fred

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3) It was one point. It's a big leap to suggest that his opponent may have directly or indirectly been cheated out of numerous points.

I don't think it's a big leap at all. Being blatantly ripped off, always leads to thought about it (even if it is effort NOT to think about it) and distracts from the task at hand.

Even pros complained about Connors or Mac's antics with the umpire and that was far less personal and direct, than having a point directly taken away from you through intentional cheating.

The fact is, that aside from being robbed of a point, the opponent ALSO had to deal with mental repercussions of the injustice and the worries about when and where it might happen again. I'm sure he wondered what the umpire was thinking as well. This actually often has a bigger effect, irritation, hesitation, distraction, often leads to a few additional points lost in the coming points even if the player seems to have handled it "well".

[10isDad]

Originally Posted by Fred

3) It was one point. It's a big leap to suggest that his opponent may have directly or indirectly been cheated out of numerous points.

Being from the Southwest, I can pretty much guarantee if the umpire was on court she was called there, so somebody felt they had been cheated prior.

It's pretty rare that an umpire from the SW actually roams between courts. There are a couple who do, but the umpire that is on court is definitely NOT one of those umps. She is very non-confrontational, tending to always agree with the call (right or wrong) and if not called on court, is usually chatting with other umps.

We've got one who loves to roam between courts and call foot-faults. Nothing wrong in that. There are a couple of lady umps who are great. They won't take any guff, they're active, preferring to actually monitor their courts pretty often. Most of the others, eh not so much.