video of high level 94 player at copper bowl

[Fred]

Originally Posted by bet

I don't think it's a big leap at all. Being blatantly ripped off, always leads to thought about it (even if it is effort NOT to think about it) and distracts from the task at hand.

Even pros complained about Connors or Mac's antics with the umpire and that was far less personal and direct, than having a point directly taken away from you through intentional cheating.

The fact is, that aside from being robbed of a point, the opponent ALSO had to deal with mental repercussions of the injustice and the worries about when and where it might happen again. I'm sure he wondered what the umpire was thinking as well. This actually often has a bigger effect, irritation, hesitation, distraction, often leads to a few additional points lost in the coming points even if the player seems to have handled it "well".

The opponent bears some responsibility for how they allow a perceived bad/dishonest call to affect them. I know how frustrating it can be when it happens, but if there was a secondary effect of the bad call/calls, the other player is at least partially to blame.

[bet]

Originally Posted by Fred

The opponent bears some responsibility for how they allow a perceived bad/dishonest call to affect them. I know how frustrating it can be when it happens, but if there was a secondary effect of the bad call/calls, the other player is at least partially to blame.

Now be careful here. You could certainly say that the player has no choice but to deal with the situation in the best manner they can. HOWEVER, this does not mitigate the ultimate responsibility of the original offender. Particularly when his act was intentional.

For example, an arsonist sets my house on fire, in the "heat"(pun intended) of the moment, I don't call the fire department as soon as I could, (perhaps I stop to chase the offender down the street for a minute, or perhaps I try to get somebody out of the house first), the firefighters, don't do a great job of isolating the fire and it spreads to two other houses. Do the firefighters and I bear "blame" for the other 2 houses? Perhaps, to some degree, but even if we do(and it's arguable), it does not absolve the arsonist for the burning down of THREE houses! (note also that he didn't like any of the 3 homeowners so even though he MAY have intended only to burn one, he actually benefits from all three!)

[Fred]

Originally Posted by bet

Now be careful here. You could certainly say that the player has no choice but to deal with the situation in the best manner they can. HOWEVER, this does not mitigate the ultimate responsibility of the original offender. Particularly when his act was intentional.

For example, an arsonist sets my house on fire, in the "heat"(pun intended) of the moment, I don't call the fire department as soon as I could, (perhaps I stop to chase the offender down the street for a minute, or perhaps I try to get somebody out of the house first), the firefighters, don't do a great job of isolating the fire and it spreads to two other houses. Do the firefighters and I bear "blame" for the other 2 houses? Perhaps, to some degree, but even if we do(and it's arguable), it does not absolve the arsonist for the burning down of THREE houses! (note also that he didn't like any of the 3 homeowners so even though he MAY have intended only to burn one, he actually benefits from all three!)

I didn't say that it mitigated the responsibility of the person who cheated for the points he cheated his opponent out of. But, the secondary effect of the opponent losing his focus cannot be blamed solely on the cheater. Sure, the opponent may not have lost his focus if not for being cheated, but it was his own mental fragility/temper that led to the loss of focus and thus a loss of additional points. If a policeman is called to the scene of a petty theft at a convenience store, which causes him to be late in responding to a subsequent bank robbery, allowing the perpetrators to rob the bank and escape, is the petty thief responsible for the bank robbery?

Using your analogy, I think it would be more apt if the person whose house was set on fire accidentally set his neighbor's house on fire. Perhaps in a panic he runs over to his neighbor's house across the street to call 911 and inadvertently knocks over a container of gasoline in the garage, trips, and drops his cigarette into the pool of gas, setting the house ablaze. Or, while chasing down the arsonist, he fires shots at him and accidentally hits an innocent bystander.

In any case, I'm still not convinced that Samardzic knew the ball was out, and even if he did, it may have been an isolated incident that had little effect on the match outside of that point.

[anski24]

oh crap thats oggy, quite unfortunate, even tough he did cheat alot of kids obviously have cheated hes just unlucky it came out on camera i heard he got in some troublle for this