So what level is this famous musician?

[raiden031]

Originally Posted by LeeD

No Jason, I'd wouldn't know from whence I speakest....
I can only beat 90% of you on this forum, that's all. Especially all of you who think he's anywhere near 3.5.
How many of you played over 15 OPEN events in the metropolitan area? How many of you went 4 and 5 rounds the two years you tried to qualify for a pro event?
If you even glance at that out of shape, bad footwork, slow moving, and bad hitting musician, you'll know he's barely 2.5 tournament level.
Around the SFBayArea, there are 40 year olds playing 4.5's who used to be #2 at CalBerkeley, one 45 year old who was #1 and SanLuisObispo, and they never stopped playing tennis.
Maybe from hookey funoky where you live he's close to 3.5, but here in a city, he'd get beat by anyone in his 2nd year of tennis who applied himself.

How can you be so sure? A 2.5 is a pretty bad player. Clearly he's not a 2.5. How does playing open events qualify one for gauging low levels of play? Someone who plays 4.5 after playing at a good D1 school is a sandbagger, not a true representation of the level of play.

[Satch]

some nice text http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1

as you can see he used to hit with Cash, former W champion so he can't be so bad

[Satch]

haha come on people leave that clown alone...

post some more videos if you find of famous playing tennis i have heard that the biggest fan out there is David Duchovny or Fox Mulder

[ttbrowne]

Originally Posted by LeeD

No Jason, I'd wouldn't know from whence I speakest....
I can only beat 90% of you on this forum, that's all. Especially all of you who think he's anywhere near 3.5.
How many of you played over 15 OPEN events in the metropolitan area? How many of you went 4 and 5 rounds the two years you tried to qualify for a pro event?
If you even glance at that out of shape, bad footwork, slow moving, and bad hitting musician, you'll know he's barely 2.5 tournament level.
Around the SFBayArea, there are 40 year olds playing 4.5's who used to be #2 at CalBerkeley, one 45 year old who was #1 and SanLuisObispo, and they never stopped playing tennis.
Maybe from hookey funoky where you live he's close to 3.5, but here in a city, he'd get beat by anyone in his 2nd year of tennis who applied himself.

Ya know, Lee, You really sound like the Christian Bale of tennis in the above rant.

[equinox]

Probably 3.5

[OnyxZ28]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjP82KOtreE

Steve Nash plays tennis too -- but in the vid we only get to see a few strokes. He's got game!

[Ambivalent]

Whoah steve nash is pretty good

[halalula1234]

woa a conti grip ?

I remember reading somewhere that Lars Ulrich of Metallica was the #1 junior in Canada... can anybody substantiate this?

[randomname]

I'm not sure if he was #1 but I know he was a top ranked junior

[LeeD]

Remember, I still say I'm a solid 4.0 player.
And when you guys play tennis for 35 years, spending at least 4 of them playing 4-6 hours a day, 6 days a week, maybe you'll have a little better perspective on who's good at tennis, and who never will be any good.
It would be ridiculous for someone my level, 4.0 to even consider playing that guy. I would serve right handed (but it's not a bad serve), and never run and beat that guy easily.
Like I mentioned before, I don't play out in the sticks where a beginner can claim he's a 4.5 or whatever. I play in a major metropolitan area where ringers exist everywhere. And a current SOLID 4.5 can take games from Open players (but still lose mostly 1 and 1).
That guy on the vid is a 2.5 player anywhere there are more than 50 tennis players. He can claim 3.0 if he wins a 2.5 tournament. He can claim 3.5 if he can WIN a 3.0 tournament. But that is never gonna happen.
I'm not a good player, but compared to him, I might as well ask him if I can sit in and play lead guitar !!

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Remember, I still say I'm a solid 4.0 player.
And when you guys play tennis for 35 years, spending at least 4 of them playing 4-6 hours a day, 6 days a week, maybe you'll have a little better perspective on who's good at tennis, and who never will be any good.
It would be ridiculous for someone my level, 4.0 to even consider playing that guy. I would serve right handed (but it's not a bad serve), and never run and beat that guy easily.
Like I mentioned before, I don't play out in the sticks where a beginner can claim he's a 4.5 or whatever. I play in a major metropolitan area where ringers exist everywhere. And a current SOLID 4.5 can take games from Open players (but still lose mostly 1 and 1).
That guy on the vid is a 2.5 player anywhere there are more than 50 tennis players. He can claim 3.0 if he wins a 2.5 tournament. He can claim 3.5 if he can WIN a 3.0 tournament. But that is never gonna happen.
I'm not a good player, but compared to him, I might as well ask him if I can sit in and play lead guitar !!

Did not read many of your previous posts -- where are you located?

[raiden031]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Remember, I still say I'm a solid 4.0 player.
And when you guys play tennis for 35 years, spending at least 4 of them playing 4-6 hours a day, 6 days a week, maybe you'll have a little better perspective on who's good at tennis, and who never will be any good.
It would be ridiculous for someone my level, 4.0 to even consider playing that guy. I would serve right handed (but it's not a bad serve), and never run and beat that guy easily.
Like I mentioned before, I don't play out in the sticks where a beginner can claim he's a 4.5 or whatever. I play in a major metropolitan area where ringers exist everywhere. And a current SOLID 4.5 can take games from Open players (but still lose mostly 1 and 1).
That guy on the vid is a 2.5 player anywhere there are more than 50 tennis players. He can claim 3.0 if he wins a 2.5 tournament. He can claim 3.5 if he can WIN a 3.0 tournament. But that is never gonna happen.
I'm not a good player, but compared to him, I might as well ask him if I can sit in and play lead guitar !!

Well I'm a benchmark 4.0 player, which means my rating is fairly accurate within the USTA computer system, and I don't think the musician in the video looks as weak as you say.

And I have competed at two USTA Nationals league events and will say that when it comes to *computer-rated* players, there is not a huge discrepancy (if any at all) across different regions. In fact most of it lies within self-rated players, but that is meaningless since their rating will be adjusted accordingly at the end of the year. So a 4.5 league player that is good enough to be competitive in Open tournaments will probably get moved up to 5.0 at the end of the year because 4.5 league players are not supposed to be that good.

Do you even play in the USTA men's leagues and have a legit computer rating or are you just self-rating yourself? You don't seem to know what you're talking about because you keep talking about NTRP tournaments, which are more meaningless in terms of rating than NTRP leagues. In other words in NTRP leagues there is more pressure to rate downward because you are competing with your own teammates to get playing time, and captains want to win and advance to the post-season. At tournaments it is individual and so it doesn't matter to anyone if you lose, and so you might play at a level with tougher competition rather than at a level where you will dominate. So a tournament is more likely to have players who overrated themselves than a league is.

[GeorgeLucas]

Replace "this famous musician" with "my friend" in the title and you wouldn't find a number higher than 3.5

[GRANITECHIEF]

Originally Posted by Dennis Anyone?

http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/...ossdale_ho.php

Classic that he's got Landsdorp helping him shore up his game.

[LeeD]

Raiden, you are obsessed with semantics and ratings.
Forget all your #'s and guess's.
I played Open and pro qualifiers like 30 years ago. My serve dropped maybe 20 mph, but I'm still lefty and one bounce my first serves higher than hip high.
My second serves make an audible "hissing" sound, because I swing much faster for it than my first serves.
I can volley.
I can put away any overhead that lands within 4' of the service line, or closer of course.... in singles, any level.
My second serves, in a match, are about 98 out of 100, and go to your backhand, your forehand, or into your body whenever I decide to hit it there.
Lots of 6.0 players who visit our courts ask me to hit serves to them, for the lefty practice.
No, I cannot keep up on groundies.
My speed is maybe 1/2 that of 30 years ago, so I can't cover within 3' of either sideline, if I plan to recover and continue competitively.
I was ranked in the top 15 in B's like 1978.
So now, after playing 30 more years, learning a little, hitting a little more than then, I'm 4.0.
Ya dink?

[tennisdad65]

4.0 .. the camera man is bad.. or he could easily make him look like a 4.5 with good editing

[tennisdad65]

LeeD.. you are good
but, lets keep this thread to the level of this famous musician.

[LeeD]

Are you serious?
Dat guy is BAD! As a tennis player.
He's out of shape. He's slow footed. He moves like an iquana. He has no racket speed. He has remedial strokes AT BEST.
Maybe he's had lots of good coaching, so can play an all court game. Big deal, just drop and lob him 3 times, and he goes back to the bench for O2.
I say, 2.5 until he wins a tournament. 3.0 if we're charitable.
To say he's close to 3.5 tournament is ridculous. Around here, he'd get blown off double bagel every time.

[LeeD]

And 4.5?
That's preposterous!
4.5 is Div11 and 111 singles. Maybe not 1-4, but certainly lower levels.
It's an affront to all my friends and me, who've played and practiced tennis for all these years, to even consider that guy close to 4.0.
Most 4.0's practiced at least 3 hours a day, 5 days a week minimum for 3 years.
That guy, out of shape, bad athlete, couldn't have practiced ONE FOURTH that much.
OK, I played guitar ONCE in my life for 2 minutes. I should be his lead guitarist because I look like I know how to hold the guitar