Where Is Your Car From?

[kimbahpnam]

I'm waiting for the day when Chrysler can make a Camry or Chevrolet can make an Accord. It doesn't matter to me where it's made as long as it live a long healthy life

[Ronaldo]

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[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Jaguar is Ford?

Yes, it's owned by Ford.

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by LuckyR

Your observations are correct: US made cars are cheaper than imports. So if they aren't selling well, the reason is...??? The reason is NOT that American citizens want to put the US auto workers out of a job. What's your understanding of why US made cars don't sell well?

The reason is people think foreign cars are more prestigious and they have the pre-conceived notion that foreign cars are better than American cars which is false. I own an American car that I've had for 11 years and it's the most reliable car I have ever owned and that includes many imported cars. It's so much less expensive to own than when I had German and Japanese cars.

Originally Posted by LuckyR

As to US made clothing, it is there to be purchased if folks are willing to pay for it: http://www.allamericanclothing.com/

Not everyone wants to buy their clothes on the Internet. Most people prefer to buy their clothes at Wal-Mart, Target, or at their local mall because it's much more convenient and cheaper on sale, and they can try stuff on before buying. There are more American car dealers than there are foreign car dealers so people are going out of their way to buy foreign cars despite being less convenient and more expensive for them.

[SempreSami]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Yes, it's owned by Ford.

WRONG

Jaguar operate as part of the Jaguar Land Rover group which is a part of Tata Motors now.

By the way, how do you all pronounce Jaguar?

[kimbahpnam]

Originally Posted by SempreSami

By the way, how do you all pronounce Jaguar?

Jaguar

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[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by SempreSami

WRONG

Jaguar operate as part of the Jaguar Land Rover group which is a part of Tata Motors now.

Well it was and it was Ford that turned their quality around. In fact, their website still only mentions being owned by Ford: http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/_footer1/company.htm

[maximo]

Jaguar engines are used in Range Rover models.

[SempreSami]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Well it was and it was Ford that turned their quality around. In fact, their website still only mentions being owned by Ford: http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/_footer1/company.htm

That's just to make you lot feel better, Ford aren't mentioned on the UK site.

[SempreSami]

Originally Posted by kimbahpnam

Jaguar

....

As in do you say Jag-yew-er/ar as it's mainly pronounced here in Blighty or Jagwah which is stupid.

[Dedans Penthouse]

Originally Posted by Dedans Penthouse

Still made in Great Britain under "JLR" (Jaguar Land Rover) a British manufacturer and owned by Tata Motors Ltd. of India. The sale frees up Ford (who lost billions with Jag/LR) to try and clean up its North American mess while cash-rich Tata will look to cut costs by--for starters--looking at some Indian-based 'supplier' companies.

Ronaldo (you in the UK, yes?):
You say pough-tah-toe and I say potato
You say Jag-euw-are and I say Jag-war


Ronaldo, Breakpoint: Ford owned Jaguar for many years; they outbid GM and some Japansese companies in the late '80's ('89?). Ford promised Jaguar to sustain some of the autonomy Jag enjoyed under British Leyland but Ford did address a number of problematic areas--to the eventual benefit of Jaguar. Say what you want about Ford, but they may've kept Jaguar from going under given the shape Jaguar was at the time of takeover. For example, after Ford took over Jaguar, their XJ-series sedan was suddenly able to go from one side of a parking lot to the other without a blinking "fuse" light coming on; in short, Jaguar's electronics were an absolute horror show. Ford's "Philco" audio division served to address this by serving, for starters, as a 'parts supplier' resource (note my 'supplier' comment above respective to the new owner--Tata).
I own both late model Range Rovers (and a Mercedes Benz) ...blah, blah, blah...who cares?.... and have a dear friend from "school/football days" who's the gen.mgr. for several Land Rover dealerships 'round these parts and he gives me some 'inside dope' as to what's going on with LR (he even 'comps' me "nitro" in my tires haha). Anyway, as quoted above, Tata Moters Ltd. of India bought JLR (Jaguar-Land Rover Group) within the past year.

Who knows; maybe some day prospective buyers'll walk by a Land Rover showroom window and remark: "nice Tatas"


---"lame dp"

[SempreSami]

I wouldn't be surprised that Jaguar was in a state when Ford took over, they were probably still in disarray after the British Leyland period.

[Ronaldo]

Dedans, so deep in the rust belt you cannot sand-blast me outtahere. Just recalled the Lincoln LS and Jaguar were the same under differing bodies. Believe Ford and Volvo shared some internals on the Taurus X wagon. Sweet if Ford imported their EuroMondial/Focus.

[kimbahpnam]

Originally Posted by SempreSami

As in do you say Jag-yew-er/ar as it's mainly pronounced here in Blighty or Jagwah which is stupid.

I pronounce it with a slight 'r' sound at the end.

I think the easiest way to avoid it is to call it 'Jag'

[vsbabolat]

Originally Posted by SempreSami

I wouldn't be surprised that Jaguar was in a state when Ford took over, they were probably still in disarray after the British Leyland period.

British Leyland was even worse than the U.S. Auto industry if that was even possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAWH0EfMDfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHtwY3_P9hE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yltxe...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYEWj...eature=related

The guys from TOP GEAR liked the Cadillac CTS-V, Dodge Challenger, and Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/tea...igFilms&Page=1
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/tea...igFilms&Page=1
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/tea...igFilms&Page=2

Incase you can't view those links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpk-pzMEWKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUagi...eature=related
http://www.topgear.com/us/videos/mor...in-muscle-cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeveC...eature=related

[Dedans Penthouse]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Dedans, so deep in the rust belt you cannot sand-blast me outtahere. Just recalled the Lincoln LS and Jaguar were the same under differing bodies. Believe Ford and Volvo shared some internals on the Taurus X wagon. Sweet if Ford imported their EuroMondial/Focus.

Good info, senor. Btw, where abouts in 'belt' are you, mi amigo?

[vsbabolat]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Dedans, so deep in the rust belt you cannot sand-blast me outtahere. Just recalled the Lincoln LS and Jaguar were the same under differing bodies. Believe Ford and Volvo shared some internals on the Taurus X wagon. Sweet if Ford imported their EuroMondial/Focus.

Not only does Ford use the Volvo S80 platform for the Taurus x wagon Ford also uses the S80 platform for the Taurus sedan, Lincoln MK S, and Mercury Sable.

Ford also uses the second generation Focus platform for the Mazda 3 (2004-2009) and Volvo S40, V50, and C30.

Ford had a controlling interest in Mazda since the late 70's. In November 2008 Ford sold 20% of it's controlling interest in Mazda for $540 million. Ford still retains 13% of Mazda. Ford uses the Mazda 6 platform on the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan and Lincoln MK Z.

Ford is also shopping Volvo around in a effort to raise cash.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-beg...vo-buyers.html

I think Ford has the best chance to turn things around. Ford should bring over to the U.S. the Mondeo, Second generation Focus especially in RS trim to compete with the hot Japanese front drive cars like the Lancer, Impreza, and Civic, and Ford should bring over the to the U.S. the Ford Fiesta.

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by SempreSami

That's just to make you lot feel better, Ford aren't mentioned on the UK site.

OH YES, IT DOES!

http://www.jaguar.co.uk/uk/en/compan...e/Heritage.htm

The UK site also doesn't mention being owned by Tata.

[LuckyR]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

The reason is people think foreign cars are more prestigious and they have the pre-conceived notion that foreign cars are better than American cars which is false. I own an American car that I've had for 11 years and it's the most reliable car I have ever owned and that includes many imported cars. It's so much less expensive to own than when I had German and Japanese cars.

Not everyone wants to buy their clothes on the Internet. Most people prefer to buy their clothes at Wal-Mart, Target, or at their local mall because it's much more convenient and cheaper on sale, and they can try stuff on before buying. There are more American car dealers than there are foreign car dealers so people are going out of their way to buy foreign cars despite being less convenient and more expensive for them.

Again, I don't disagree with your observations. I would add that the "notion" that US made cars are of poor quality didn't happen by accident. A lot of folks had a lot of bad outcomes buying them for quite some time, and many still do.

I also agree that there is more to buying clothes than the country of origin, say convenience, as you mentioned. In fact, that's my main point, there's more to making purchases than the country where the product was made, which brings us back to cars.

[Luminous]

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