The best backhand ever? - Page 97

Feather · 03-03-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

1. Rosewall
2. Laver
3. Connors
4. Edberg
5. Borg
6. Budge
7. Agassi
8. Kuerten
9. Djokovic
10. Lacoste
11. Safin
12. Nalbandian
13. Ashe
14. Lendl
15. Vilas
16. Kovacs
17. Rios
18. Mancini
19. Mecir
20. Orantes
21. Murray
22. Tilden
23. Kodes
24. Stich
25. Wilander
26. Kafelnikov
27. Costa
28. Korda
29. Almagro
30. Gasquet
31. Becker
32. Wawrinka
33. Nüsslein
34. Haas

I was wondering how the backhand great Rosewall deal with Nadal's topspin on a clay court with a right handed backhand. Roger had problems with balls that went above shoulder height and Roger was 6.1. Rosewall is 5.7! I don't intend to say that Roger's backhand is better than Rosewall. I don't comment about things that I don't know and whenever I comment I at least try to be objective..

I am NOT remotely suggesting that players from the past sucks compared to todays greats. I believe greats are greats irrespective of eras. However on clay, after watching all those matches between Roger and Rafa, I really wonder..

These single handed right handed backhanded players never played anyone like Rafa with a crazy topspin directed to their back hand with his insane forehand. They were never tested like Roger..

kiki · 03-03-2013, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Feather

I was wondering how the backhand great Rosewall deal with Nadal's topspin on a clay court with a right handed backhand. Roger had problems with balls that went above shoulder height and Roger was 6.1. Rosewall is 5.7! I don't intend to say that Roger's backhand is better than Rosewall. I don't comment about things that I don't know and whenever I comment I at least try to be objective..

I am NOT remotely suggesting that players from the past sucks compared to todays greats. I believe greats are greats irrespective of eras. However on clay, after watching all those matches between Roger and Rafa, I really wonder..

These single handed right handed backhanded players never played anyone like Rafa with a crazy topspin directed to their back hand with his insane forehand. They were never tested like Roger..

You are completely right on that but think the other way for a minute
How could Nadal and his weak kness resist the torture of that deep and extremely low bouning sliced, right handed BH?

Flash O'Groove · 03-03-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

1. Rosewall
2. Laver
3. Connors
4. Edberg
5. Borg
6. Budge
7. Agassi
8. Kuerten
9. Djokovic
10. Lacoste
11. Safin
12. Nalbandian
13. Ashe
14. Lendl
15. Vilas
16. Kovacs
17. Rios
18. Mancini
19. Mecir
20. Orantes
21. Murray
22. Tilden
23. Kodes
24. Stich
25. Wilander
26. Kafelnikov
27. Costa
28. Korda
29. Almagro
30. Gasquet
31. Becker
32. Wawrinka
33. Nüsslein
34. Haas

Nobody follow me on Davydenko's backhand? I'm not sure he as one of the 30 better backhand in the history of the sport, but I'm certain that he had a better backhand than Gasquet, Almagro or Wawrinka. Those are nice looking shots but they achieved nothing with it.

BobbyOne · 03-04-2013, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Feather

Hoodjem's only intention in bumping this thread is to convince everyone that Roger Federer doesn't figure not even in the top thirty. I don't have any problem with that, it's a democrazy and everyone has the right to say something.

Feather, Why do Federer fans always assume that serious posters have an agenda against Federer???

jimbo333 · 03-04-2013, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BTURNER

I go for Connors. That backhand could do anything for him. Not the most beautiful shot in history, but he could hit any spin to any part of court including moderate top, flat , slice and sidespin, return serve, approach, rally on any surface, lob, and volley with both hands on the racket. other honorable mentions in the doublehanded category include Borg, Agassi, and Wilander (first one I know to develop a 1 handed slice to compliment his two hander) For one handers besides Edberg: Vilas, Sampras, Pat Cash,and Federer cannot be forgotten.

Connors for me as well in terms of best backhand ever, but I think Edberg had the best volley ever!

The best looking backhand I've seen is Henin, when she made a come back, I saw her play live for the first time; and when she started warming up, I'm guessing lots of us had never seen her play live, and there were literally gasps from the crowd at how great her backhand looked

jimbo333 · 03-04-2013, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash O'Groove

Nobody follow me on Davydenko's backhand? I'm not sure he as one of the 30 better backhand in the history of the sport, but I'm certain that he had a better backhand than Gasquet, Almagro or Wawrinka. Those are nice looking shots but they achieved nothing with it.

I think Davydenko's backhand is amazing. Watching it live, definitely the best ball striker I've seen, he hit it so far in front of himself, it looked remarkable. In terms of a 2 hander, definitely one of the best in the last 20 years!

hoodjem · 03-04-2013, 06:49 AM

1. Rosewall
2. Laver
3. Connors
4. Edberg
5. Borg
6. Budge
7. Agassi
8. Kuerten
9. Djokovic
10. Lacoste
11. Safin
12. Nalbandian
13. Ashe
14. Lendl
15. Vilas
16. Kovacs
17. Rios
18. Mancini
19. Mecir
20. Orantes
21. Murray
22. Tilden
23. Kodes
24. Stich
25. Wilander
26. Kafelnikov
27. Costa
28. Korda
29. Davydenko
30. Almagro
31. Gasquet
32. Becker
33. Wawrinka
34. Nüsslein
35. Haas

jimbo333 · 03-04-2013, 06:53 AM

^^^ A great list now, good to see you've agreed and added Davydenko!

TMF · 03-04-2013, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Feather, Why do Federer fans always assume that serious posters have an agenda against Federer???

Easy answer...just read your posts and kiki.

abmk · 03-04-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Feather, Why do Federer fans always assume that serious posters have an agenda against Federer???

Here's a tip .......federer fans don't assume so ...its when they have an agenda against federer , we state it .....

Here are some "serious" posters (who post frequently in this forum ) , who do not have an agenda vs federer :

krosero
Moose Malloy
timnz
NonP
BTURNER
Gizo

etc etc ...

President · 03-04-2013, 10:51 AM

Andre Agassi should be #1 on this list.

kiki · 03-04-2013, 01:53 PM

Maybe I disagree with the order of a few names, but the list of Hoodjem is very good.he is great at that, no doubt.

hoodjem · 03-04-2013, 02:56 PM

1. Rosewall
2. Laver
3. Connors
4. Edberg
5. Agassi
6. Budge
7. Borg
8. Kuerten
9. Djokovic
10. Lacoste
11. Safin
12. Nalbandian
13. Ashe
14. Lendl
15. Vilas
16. Kovacs
17. Rios
18. Mancini
19. Mecir
20. Orantes
21. Murray
22. Tilden
23. Kodes
24. Stich
25. Wilander
26. Kafelnikov
27. Costa
28. Korda
29. Davydenko
30. Federer
31. Almagro
32. Gasquet
33. Becker
34. Wawrinka
35. Nüsslein
36. Haas

dennis10is · 03-04-2013, 03:06 PM

Every pro that I've seen live have great shots to me. only a small portion have something idiosyncratic but they accomdate that into their strokes.

Feather · 03-04-2013, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kiki

Maybe I disagree with the order of a few names, but the list of Hoodjem is very good.he is great at that, no doubt.

Of course you have every right to vouch for the authenticity and credibility of the list but what is really pathetic is his timing to bump the thread. There goes a discussion in another thread where Bobbyone engages in a discussion with few Roger Federer fans about weaknesses in Roger's backhand and Hoodjem bumps the thread and promptly delete Roger's name which was there in his early list. I realize that there are old people who have all the years of experience and life behind them but still act as clueless immature crybabies or kids.

Anyway, I can expect a lot of strawman arguments coming my way. Roger fans want Roger's name to be there in the GOAT list of everything. Roger fans are too touchy that they react to mere mentioning of his name from a random list generated by few anonymous posters.

However there is some parallel between the so called historians and the immature kiddish fans of Roger Federer. They place Rod Laver in every goddamn list in either first or second as if by a ritual and since we kids haven't seen Tennis those days or don't have any access to the video links of those times, it makes your job pretty easy since you can also use the trump card of age. The bottomline is we may be young compared to you guys, but we are not dumb and have little intelligence to see through the blatant bias

Feather · 03-04-2013, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by President

Andre Agassi should be #1 on this list.

Oh no don't let the collective wrath of historians fall on you!

Andre Agassi is a mug compared to the 5.7 mighty Ken Rosewall whose back hand slice alone was 80 mph! Andre Agassi got his slams by serve and volleying in his service games as well as in his opponents service games. He never used his backhand in his career.

kiki · 03-04-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Feather

Oh no don't let the collective wrath of historians fall on you!

Andre Agassi is a mug compared to the 5.7 mighty Ken Rosewall whose back hand slice alone was 80 mph! Andre Agassi got his slams by serve and volleying in his but mot such service games as well as in his opponents service games. He never used his backhand in his career.

Calm down it is hard to pick the best when it gets to top five so I see no bias
AA certainly has a top tier BH so it may be a pubic hair what separateshim from Edberg, Budge, Laver, Rosewall or Edberg and all merit top tier
At that level it becomes subjective
What is not is Fed having all time great Bh, he has a great Fh that deserves top tier but not top backhand at all
I talk from what I saw live and Laver, Rosewall and Comnors are the very best I have seen qith Edberg and AA very close
Maybe Budge, Lacoste and Kovacs were just as good

Flash O'Groove · 03-04-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kiki

Calm down it is hard to pick the best when it gets to top five so I see no bias
AA certainly has a top tier BH so it may be a pubic hair what separateshim from Edberg, Budge, Laver, Rosewall or Edberg and all merit top tier
At that level it becomes subjective
What is not is Fed having all time great Bh, he has a great Fh that deserves top tier but not top backhand at all
I talk from what I saw live and Laver, Rosewall and Comnors are the very best I have seen qith Edberg and AA very close
Maybe Budge, Lacoste and Kovacs were just as good

I agree with you. Fed's backhand is not in the top 10. But not in the top 30? Wawrinka? Almagro? Ok their backhand play a more important role in their games, but still, you can't compare players who need to be far from the baseline to be comfortable with someone who stick to it!

jimbo333 · 03-05-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash O'Groove

I agree with you. Fed's backhand is not in the top 10. But not in the top 30? Wawrinka? Almagro? Ok their backhand play a more important role in their games, but still, you can't compare players who need to be far from the baseline to be comfortable with someone who stick to it!

I didn't spot that Federer wasn't on that list. I would put Federer's backhand at about 25th on that list above.

World Beater · 03-05-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash O'Groove

I agree with you. Fed's backhand is not in the top 10. But not in the top 30? Wawrinka? Almagro? Ok their backhand play a more important role in their games, but still, you can't compare players who need to be far from the baseline to be comfortable with someone who stick to it!

if we go by surface. this is what i would say...

Grass: federer has a top 10 bh.
HC: Fed has a top 20 bh
Clay: Fed has a top 25 bh.

On AVG. I would say Fed would figure TOP 20.

03-04-2013, 06:49 AM	#1927
hoodjem G.O.A.T. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bierlandt Posts: 10,013	1. Rosewall 2. Laver 3. Connors 4. Edberg 5. Borg 6. Budge 7. Agassi 8. Kuerten 9. Djokovic 10. Lacoste 11. Safin 12. Nalbandian 13. Ashe 14. Lendl 15. Vilas 16. Kovacs 17. Rios 18. Mancini 19. Mecir 20. Orantes 21. Murray 22. Tilden 23. Kodes 24. Stich 25. Wilander 26. Kafelnikov 27. Costa 28. Korda 29. Davydenko 30. Almagro 31. Gasquet 32. Becker 33. Wawrinka 34. Nüsslein 35. Haas __________________ The smart man thinks he knows a lot; the wise man is aware that he knows little.

03-04-2013, 06:53 AM	#1928
jimbo333 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Windsor, England Posts: 3,995	^^^ A great list now, good to see you've agreed and added Davydenko! __________________ :)

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kiki G.O.A.T. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 10,710	Maybe I disagree with the order of a few names, but the list of Hoodjem is very good.he is great at that, no doubt. __________________ " I have watched plenty of matches of the 70´s and 80´s" ABMK, the historian

03-04-2013, 02:56 PM	#1933
hoodjem G.O.A.T. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bierlandt Posts: 10,013	1. Rosewall 2. Laver 3. Connors 4. Edberg 5. Agassi 6. Budge 7. Borg 8. Kuerten 9. Djokovic 10. Lacoste 11. Safin 12. Nalbandian 13. Ashe 14. Lendl 15. Vilas 16. Kovacs 17. Rios 18. Mancini 19. Mecir 20. Orantes 21. Murray 22. Tilden 23. Kodes 24. Stich 25. Wilander 26. Kafelnikov 27. Costa 28. Korda 29. Davydenko 30. Federer 31. Almagro 32. Gasquet 33. Becker 34. Wawrinka 35. Nüsslein 36. Haas __________________ The smart man thinks he knows a lot; the wise man is aware that he knows little. Last edited by hoodjem : 03-05-2013 at 02:58 PM.

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