Wise 2086 - Tell us your experince

[Mansewerz]

Count button?

[jim e]

Originally Posted by rscottdds

To further the debate, I don't think there's much, if any, playability difference between pulling more tension for the knot or leaving the tension "as is". Consistency is the name of the game and as long as you string the same each time the playability will be the same.


-Robert

I do agree with you, to a degree, but years ago, customers use to pull on that end main to check the tension on it, and they still do that today.
You may not see that when you return it to them, but I guarantee you most will shortly after you give it to them, so I increase the tie offs the 10%. Even years ago when I strung woodies on my old serrano machine in the 60's, I use to add an additional weight to the end of the weight bar, (I used a heavy hammer tied to the weight bar with an elastic strap), just to up the tension a little with that automatic drop weight machine on the tie offs.Now so much easier just to push the knot button.
It also keeps the end mains straighter do to the offset weave of the adjacent main.!
But I do agree there is no playability difference weather you increase the tie offs or not, but most people seem to want that end main tight.And it keeps the end main tie offs very close to the reference tension do to the knot pull back, so I really see no reason not to increase the tie offs, and the knot button now is very handy indeed!

[wally]

Originally Posted by jim e

I do agree with you, to a degree, but years ago, customers use to pull on that end main to check the tension on it, and they still do that today.
You may not see that when you return it to them, but I guarantee you most will shortly after you give it to them, so I increase the tie offs the 10%. Even years ago when I strung woodies on my old serrano machine in the 60's, I use to add an additional weight to the end of the weight bar, (I used a heavy hammer tied to the weight bar with an elastic strap), just to up the tension a little with that automatic drop weight machine on the tie offs.Now so much easier just to push the knot button.
It also keeps the end mains straighter do to the offset weave of the adjacent main.!
But I do agree there is no playability difference weather you increase the tie offs or not, but most people seem to want that end main tight.And it keeps the end main tie offs very close to the reference tension do to the knot pull back, so I really see no reason not to increase the tie offs, and the knot button now is very handy indeed!

Unless I'm stringing a hybrid I use an ATW or Box pattern to avoid the "sloppy" outside main problem. I've seen clients tug, flex etc the outside mains.

With hybrids I will up the tension 5-10% on the outside main or quickly flip on the prestretch on the wise (defaults to 10%)

[dgdawg]

Originally Posted by wally

Unless I'm stringing a hybrid I use an ATW or Box pattern to avoid the "sloppy" outside main problem. I've seen clients tug, flex etc the outside mains.

With hybrids I will up the tension 5-10% on the outside main or quickly flip on the prestretch on the wise (defaults to 10%)

I have also had customers (esp. new) grab the outside M and move it. One guy said: "nice, this string is finally tight" The wise is such a nice machine, the only thing it's missing, IMHO, is this knot button. I may be going out on a limb here but with a good mounting system, clamps and the wise, you have one of the most accurate machines out there. It would be nice to have this one feature that every other shop quality machine has. Someone should start a thread saying they want this feature and send it to Herb. (if there's enough interest, I'll do it) Maybe he'll upgrade if enough people show interest.

[000KFACTOR90000]

Originally Posted by dgdawg

I have also had customers (esp. new) grab the outside M and move it. One guy said: "nice, this string is finally tight" The wise is such a nice machine, the only thing it's missing, IMHO, is this knot button. I may be going out on a limb here but with a good mounting system, clamps and the wise, you have one of the most accurate machines out there. It would be nice to have this one feature that every other shop quality machine has. Someone should start a thread saying they want this feature and send it to Herb. (if there's enough interest, I'll do it) Maybe he'll upgrade if enough people show interest.

dgdawg - I'm interested in the 10% knot feature.

I've forgotten to switch back the tension on my crank in the past and started the crosses plus 10% - very annoying and a waste of string and time.

[dgdawg]

Originally Posted by In D Zone

Would be great for you guys to post your Stringer with the Wise hookup!

Post PICTURES!!

Pic's of my Comet 11/Wise set up.

Base clamps-Silent Partner/DG
Clamps-Silent Partner Aria/Opus
Mounting system, table, stand-Comet 11
Tension Head-Wise 2086

I'm going to try and send some to Al & get them on Photo Stronger. It's a nice set up. I've come to the conclusion that the Eagnas base clamps suck.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/DSCF2421.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/DSCF2422.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...DSCF2430-1.jpg
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[rasajadad]

I'm sure it's been discussed before, but I just pulled the trigger on a Wise and I wanted to share my experience:

I looked at the offerring on TW as well as the Wise site. TW sells the machine with free shipping, foot pedal and diablo as Herb does just the machine. When I called Herb to see if the website is correct, he said yes, TW is a very good customer and they can choose to give away whatever they want.

While he may have a great product, his marketing skills are lacking. I can't understand why you'd have to pay significantly more to go direct to the manufacturer. Plus he wasn't interested in taking the order over the phone. He prefers you order online.

[000KFACTOR90000]

I think it's the best thing he's done going with tw. He's got a great product (apart from missing a 10% knot feature) but tw is 1000 times better with customers and easy to deal with internationally.

[LttlElvis]

When I talked to him and was ready to buy, Herb referred me to his website to make the purchase also. I think it's great that TW is selling the package now. If something were to go wrong right away, free shipping back to TW no questions asked. From what people have written here in the past, you have to pay for shipping both ways.

[drakulie]

rasjadad, thanks for the post.

Great knowing this before I decide to purchase.

[dgdawg]

Originally Posted by drakulie

rasjadad, thanks for the post.

Great knowing this before I decide to purchase.

drak & co.-I speak from experience, order your wise thru TW. I can tell you a very drama filled story about Herb and my 1st "wise go around". I'll just leave it at: If TW wasn't selling the wise and didn't assure me that I would never have to contact Herb Wise in respect to my 2086, I would not own one. KFACTOR9 pretty much nailed it. The smartest thing Herb ever did IMHO is to let TW sell his machine. He has a very remarkable product but his personality is in his a**. Additionally, the foot switch is a must have for poly's and the diablo is necessary to reduce pressure on soft string and, if you choose to raise your table for 360° rotation, which I recommend. The lack of a knot button sux. Ask herb about that & see what happens. He might use a comment like he use on me. Quote "you're foolish to think that is important."
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[Ljubicic for number1]

Originally Posted by 000KFACTOR90000

I think it's the best thing he's done going with tw. He's got a great product (apart from missing a 10% knot feature) but tw is 1000 times better with customers and easy to deal with internationally.

They wont even send a wise internationally? Tried to order it 12 months ago and they flat out refused to take the order.

[dgdawg]

Originally Posted by Ljubicic for number1

They wont even send a wise internationally? Tried to order it 12 months ago and they flat out refused to take the order.

Yep, sounds like herb. Where are you located? Contact TW. Isn't there a TW Europe?

[Ljubicic for number1]

Originally Posted by dgdawg

Yep, sounds like herb. Where are you located? Contact TW. Isn't there a TW Europe?

Sorry it's TW I was talking about. I ordered it 12 months ago when they first started to stock it. They replied with, we cant send stringing machines or tennis balls internationally. I argued that its a accessory and not a stringing machine but got nowhere.

I am in Australia, there is a agent here but he is a bandit and has over a 100% mark up on the US retail price.

Has anybody here had TW send one international?

[000KFACTOR90000]

Originally Posted by Ljubicic for number1

Sorry it's TW I was talking about. I ordered it 12 months ago when they first started to stock it. They replied with, we cant send stringing machines or tennis balls internationally. I argued that its a accessory and not a stringing machine but got nowhere.

I am in Australia, there is a agent here but he is a bandit and has over a 100% mark up on the US retail price.

Has anybody here had TW send one international?

Maybe ask in the tw questions/comments section? Postage of $98 usd dollars comes up to Australia so on the face of it looks like they're ready to go.

[Ljubicic for number1]

Originally Posted by 000KFACTOR90000

Maybe ask in the tw questions/comments section? Postage of $98 usd dollars comes up to Australia so on the face of it looks like they're ready to go.

Yeah it was the same last time. I completed the checkout and then got a email saying they cant send international and they refunded my payment.

[rasajadad]

I just received mine yesterday afternoon, set it up on my Revo in the three minutes claimed on the website and strung my first racquet.

Here are my initial observations-
The packaging / shipping container was top-notch. There was obviously some thought and care that went into protecting the product.

It took me a while to figure out how to start the mains as the racquet handle got in the way.

I love having the foot pedal! It makes the whole process of tensioning easier.

[dgdawg]

Originally Posted by rasajadad

I just received mine yesterday afternoon, set it up on my Revo in the three minutes claimed on the website and strung my first racquet.

Here are my initial observations-
The packaging / shipping container was top-notch. There was obviously some thought and care that went into protecting the product.

It took me a while to figure out how to start the mains as the racquet handle got in the way.

I love having the foot pedal! It makes the whole process of tensioning easier.

Nice! Congratulations. If you want 360° rotation, go to the auto parts store and pick up a wheel bearing for a compact car. Slip it over the post under the table that slides into the stand. It works well. You can also use a thick washer or two depending on how much height you need. I find the foot pedal really helpful for polies.

[rasajadad]

Originally Posted by dgdawg

Nice! Congratulations. If you want 360° rotation, go to the auto parts store and pick up a wheel bearing for a compact car. Slip it over the post under the table that slides into the stand. It works well. You can also use a thick washer or two depending on how much height you need. I find the foot pedal really helpful for polies.

Thanks for the tip.

[l_gonzalez]

Hey, does anyone know how much the Wise weighs with the foot control, diablo and all the packaging?

I might be be going to the States in a month or two and was thinking of picking up a Wise while i'm there, would it be too heavy/bulky to put in a suitcase?