Can someone post videos of 4.0 and 4.5 players???

Bellagizmo · 06-19-2009, 05:48 PM

I recently jointed ultimate tennis summer league testing out the men's 4.0...After my first 3 weeks, it shows that I'm under-rated and will not qualify for the playoffs according to their 1st season rookie rule....However, I feel that I'm playing in correct level... Maybe some of these guys are over estimating their levels??

NamRanger · 06-19-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bellagizmo

I recently jointed ultimate tennis summer league testing out the men's 4.0...After my first 3 weeks, it shows that I'm under-rated and will not qualify for the playoffs according to their 1st season rookie rule....However, I feel that I'm playing in correct level... Maybe some of these guys are over estimating their levels??

It depends on where you live. Because a 4.5 Southern California player or a Florida player is completely different from a 4.5 from a oh say, Minnesota.

This is about right though : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KspyZ...e=channel_page

Bellagizmo · 06-19-2009, 06:14 PM

I live in Texas.

NamRanger · 06-19-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bellagizmo

I live in Texas.

There really shouldn't be any excuse than; 4.0s / 4.5s in Texas are usually fairly good. Unless you're playing just as good as the guys in the video above (that's a 4.5 tournament), then they shouldn't keep you out.

Truth is though, if you joined a 4.0 league and wrecking shop, you either A. underrated yourself (which I highly doubt, most people tend to overrate themselves) or B. everyone else just really isn't a 4.0 (which is a likely explanation).

Bellagizmo · 06-19-2009, 06:29 PM

Indoors I could probably beat those guys in the above video...my fitness and conditioning is not in top shape for the outdoor heat yet...

raiden031 · 06-19-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bellagizmo

I recently jointed ultimate tennis summer league testing out the men's 4.0...After my first 3 weeks, it shows that I'm under-rated and will not qualify for the playoffs according to their 1st season rookie rule....However, I feel that I'm playing in correct level... Maybe some of these guys are over estimating their levels??

Usually if this is a non-usta league such as a club league, ratings tend to be inflated because players want to compete against better players even when they aren't really good enough. In sanctioned USTA leagues though, it is sorta the opposite because teams want to advance to Nationals and so they tend to under-rate themselves, but its most often due to pressure from captains who want a winning team and seek out players that are above level.

Chances are you are playing against more players who would rate at 3.5 in an actual usta league. If these so-called 4.0 players also play usta leagues though, then chances are that maybe you are a 4.5 player.

Bellagizmo · 06-19-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by raiden031

Usually if this is a non-usta league such as a club league, ratings tend to be inflated because players want to compete against better players even when they aren't really good enough. In sanctioned USTA leagues though, it is sorta the opposite because teams want to advance to Nationals and so they tend to under-rate themselves, but its most often due to pressure from captains who want a winning team and seek out players that are above level.

Chances are you are playing against more players who would rate at 3.5 in an actual usta league. If these so-called 4.0 players also play usta leagues though, then chances are that maybe you are a 4.5 player.

I looked up some of the names of these guys in the ultimate league..half are 4.0 usta league rated and half are 3.5 guys...maybe that explains why 2 of my early opponents didn't really compete on the court...another guy I would prob label weak 4.0 bc he didn't have a winning shot weapon....He could hit most of the shots back all day but was a nonthreat in the backcourt if I didn't commit unforced errors...

SlapShot · 06-19-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NamRanger

It depends on where you live. Because a 4.5 Southern California player or a Florida player is completely different from a 4.5 from a oh say, Minnesota.

This is about right though : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KspyZ...e=channel_page

I think that the regional thing is exaggerated a bit - the top players in each section are probably close to on par, it's just that the depth of players in MN (or most northern regions) is much, much shallower than the depth in SoCal or Texas.

I agree with Raiden - most people tend to overrate themselves when they aren't playing USTA league by simply looking at the USTA guidelines, which aren't really very effective with regard to accurately self rating.

luthertn · 06-19-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bellagizmo

I live in Texas.

i also live in texas ^^ which part your from?
I seen some good players in texas

Blake0 · 06-19-2009, 10:35 PM

I live in TX too

. Dallas/FT worth area. Some good tennis players around here. Atleast the one's that come on the courts i hit on usually..and occasionally the beginners.

Ross K · 06-19-2009, 10:48 PM

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It depends on where you live. Because a 4.5 Southern California player or a Florida player is completely different from a 4.5 from a oh say, Minnesota.

Is this true???!!!

Not being American, I never knew this. No wonder no-one ever agrees or has a clear idea on players levels?! This system is surely messed up?

R.

Bellagizmo · 06-19-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by luthertn

i also live in texas ^^ which part your from?
I seen some good players in texas

houston

Cenc · 06-19-2009, 11:43 PM

this video was really 4.5???
i mean im pretty sure that even on clay i can beat those guys without much effort and i didnt know i was on that high level nowadays since i dont even play much

EtePras · 06-20-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cenc

this video was really 4.5???
i mean im pretty sure that even on clay i can beat those guys without much effort and i didnt know i was on that high level nowadays since i dont even play much

Judging from your posts, you wouldn't be able to get a ball into the court so how could you beat those guys?

06-20-2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross K

Is this true???!!!

Not being American, I never knew this. No wonder no-one ever agrees or has a clear idea on players levels?! This system is surely messed up?

R.

Batta-Bing...

06-20-2009, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bellagizmo

houston

I moved to Houston for 3 months in '06 before I injured my back. I wasn't in great shape and hadn't played tennis in 5-6 months. I joined a 4.5 league and rolled every guy I played in Houston, probably 15 or more players in the league, I never lost a set. The #1 league player @ 4.5 was a guy named Louis, anyway... I'm sure there are some very good players in Houston, their has to be... it's a huge city. The 4.5 I played in Houston were low-mid 4.0's from Atlanta standards. Try joining a 5.0 league and see what happens.

Wes_Loves_Dunlop · 06-20-2009, 05:34 AM

Wow if those guys are 4.0's, then i must be a 4.5. Most people on my freshman team serve harder, hit harder, and do almost better in eveyrthing than them.. wow

Bellagizmo · 06-20-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Slicendicer

I moved to Houston for 3 months in '06 before I injured my back. I wasn't in great shape and hadn't played tennis in 5-6 months. I joined a 4.5 league and rolled every guy I played in Houston, probably 15 or more players in the league, I never lost a set. The #1 league player @ 4.5 was a guy named Louis, anyway... I'm sure there are some very good players in Houston, their has to be... it's a huge city. The 4.5 I played in Houston were low-mid 4.0's from Atlanta standards. Try joining a 5.0 league and see what happens.

Slicer,

My friend is 46 yrs old and only 5'5....He'll show you a beating along with a side wager...

smO · 06-20-2009, 06:30 AM

Here we go again....

'If those guys are 4.0 then i'm a pro!!1!1', 'Those guys are 2.5 at best...' etc.

acehole · 06-20-2009, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by smO

Here we go again....

'If those guys are 4.0 then i'm a pro!!1!1', 'Those guys are 2.5 at best...' etc.

i would not go that low, but yeah here we go again. i'm a high 4.5 ( a real one) and i would roll both of those guy and probably not lose more that 1 game per set.

i dont know, i play 4.5 and 5.0 all the time and the level of play and overall speed is a good bit higher than these guys.

my suggestion is to go talk to a pro and get a more informed opinion. i'm not a pro yet, but i take my tests in july, and i say they are not 4.5 by any means.

06-20-2009, 05:34 AM	#17
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