Serve speed cage - Page 3

dennis10is · 08-05-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by J011yroger

How come you always get the hot girlfriends in the movies?

J

I'm from So Cal so I'm connected. You on the other hand are also connected, you get the hairy Eye-talian bodyguard.

Kevo · 08-05-2009, 06:46 PM

The point of my post about hitting a fence that is 40ft. behind the baseline was not scientific accuracy. It was more about illustrating how many people over rate their serve speed. I mean you can hit the back fence on a standard tennis court at probably 60mph, maybe less depending on spin.

I've never been lucky enough to play on a court that has 40 feet of room behind the baseline. I have however seen Pete Sampras hit one up into the stands at an exhibition match. The ball went a minimum fifty feet before getting to the seats. The court was placed in the middle of a hockey arena. Pete serves in the mid 120s. If the ball went into the seats at over 50 ft, you could imagine it would go even further before it bounced. He did this quite a few times as the match progressed. He seemed to have a stiff shoulder that day and started somewhat casually and ramped it up a bit later.

Imagine Dr. Ivo hitting at 140mph from his racquet which has to be close to 10.5 feet high at contact. That serve is headed for the next county. I've seen him hit aces that are aces because of height, not because of width.

J011yroger · 08-05-2009, 06:49 PM

^^^ Agree 100%

If you watch tour events on TV you will see aces bounce off the back wall, and make it back to the baseline.

Heck, I have even done it, and I have nowhere near a tour level serve.

J

drakulie · 08-05-2009, 07:22 PM

I've hit the back wall at the stadium court of the sony ericsson on one bounce. Granted, it barely got there, but did hit the wall before bouncing. I would say it is about 40 feet.

drakulie · 08-05-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevo

It was more about illustrating how many people over rate their serve speed.

Totally agree. I remember when I first got my radar. I took it out to the courts, and let a bunch of the players measure their serve speeds. These are all guys, as you suggest, that grossly over estimate their serve speeds, and brag about hitting 100, 120, yada, yada, yada.

I belive only one guy hit a serve that topped 100 and landed in. The rest of them were hitting in the mid 70 to mid 80 range. and many of those serves weren't even going in.

Mongolmike · 08-05-2009, 07:45 PM

I play with a guy who claims to serve 110... I can return it generally pretty well... I don't think its anywhere near 110. Probably many guys claim a high serve speed are the same guys that can all drive a golf ball 280... but when you are out on the course with them, its more like 240.

Also, hitting the back fence... wouldn't the spin have just as much to do with it as the speed?

skraggle · 08-05-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra2HolyGrail

^^I got $20 that say's you will never post your serve motion.

Jolly, don't even take the bait. This guy has already proved that he's all talk.

Ultra2HolyGrail · 08-05-2009, 10:27 PM

^^^Looks like that's all YOU can do is talk, blah blah.

Ultra2HolyGrail · 08-05-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by drakulie

I belive only one guy hit a serve that topped 100 and landed in. The rest of them were hitting in the mid 70 to mid 80 range. and many of those serves weren't even going in.

I guess you showed them how it's done, pistol pete.

J011yroger · 08-06-2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra2HolyGrail

^^^Looks like that's all YOU can do is talk, blah blah.

Just checked my e-mail.

No $20 yet.

Please pay asap. I would like to put an order in to TW and it would be helpful if I could use your gift card.

Thanks.

J

J011yroger · 08-06-2009, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mongolmike

Also, hitting the back fence... wouldn't the spin have just as much to do with it as the speed?

It all contributes, as does the roughness of the court.

If you have a really rough slow hard court like the ones Drak is talking about at the Sony Ericsson, then the spin takes to it, and you get really nasty high bounces on your kick serves, and it actually slows down your flatter serves and makes them sit up a bit more.

I didn't get a chance to play on them, but I can't remember ever seeing slower courts. If I had to play on them every day, I can't imagine a pair of sneakers lasting more than 2 weeks.

J

Datacipher · 08-06-2009, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LeeD

"ball going up as it hits the back fence"....

Sure, your serve goes faster than Roddicks.
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Wow. First time I've agreed with LeeD. This is a joke. If you believe that your serve is doing this, it shows how confused you are. Just as the OP who thinks his serve which USUALLY hits the back fence is 100mph. WOW.

My fastest serve speed was 130mph, with my normal flat serve between 113-117mph, I am sure I can hit the fence at 40 feet, but it AIN"T gonna be rising or anywhere near maintaining peak height, that is for darn sure. EIGHT FEET UP at forty feet! LOL!!

PS. As i just posted in another thread. Your flat serve probably has to be around 40mph minimum to hit the back fence, IF you hit it perfectly. To get it 4 feet up, it probably has to be at a minimum of 80mph or so. Assuming you are around 6 feet tall.

Ano · 08-06-2009, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by J011yroger

Just checked my e-mail.

No $20 yet.

Please pay asap. I would like to put an order in to TW and it would be helpful if I could use your gift card.

Thanks.

J

Jolly, do you remember these posts? http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...ght=run&page=5

Do not expect much from that guy.

raiden031 · 08-06-2009, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Datacipher

Wow. First time I've agreed with LeeD. This is a joke. If you believe that your serve is doing this, it shows how confused you are. Just as the OP who thinks his serve which USUALLY hits the back fence is 100mph. WOW.

The only reason I think my serve might be 100mph at its best is because I think that 100mph when watched live at a pro event seems slow to me. Its not til they hit about the 115-120 range that I start noticing the speed.

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PS. As i just posted in another thread. Your flat serve probably has to be around 40mph minimum to hit the back fence, IF you hit it perfectly. To get it 4 feet up, it probably has to be at a minimum of 80mph or so. Assuming you are around 6 feet tall.

40mph? Most of the rec. players I play with don't hit the back fence on the first bounce without having a potent serve (relative to my ability to return serve). I don't think i've ever seen a woman up to even 4.5 hit the fence on the first bounce (not to say they don't exist, but I've never seen it so I imagine it takes more than 40mph to do so).

raiden031 · 08-06-2009, 04:04 AM

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Datacipher · 08-06-2009, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by raiden031

The only reason I think my serve might be 100mph at its best is because I think that 100mph when watched live at a pro event seems slow to me. Its not til they hit about the 115-120 range that I start noticing the speed.

40mph? Most of the rec. players I play with don't hit the back fence on the first bounce without having a potent serve (relative to my ability to return serve). I don't think i've ever seen a woman up to even 4.5 hit the fence on the first bounce (not to say they don't exist, but I've never seen it so I imagine it takes more than 40mph to do so).

Oh OK. Well, I read that thread you started about watching the pros, and...to be honest....you're clearly not at a level yet at which you can even judge the pros....as you, even realize (thus, your confusion about why the "same" shot for you is not a winner).

In any case, If your serve "usually" reaches the back fence, I can ASSURE you, it's not 100mph.

As to the 40mph, I've never actually tried to measure my minimum speed to hit the back fence (I've never hit one that hasn't hit the back fence...), but I estimate around 40mph, as I've hit mid 60mph serves on radar that VERY easily reach the back fence. My warm ups are sometimes much slower than that, and they easily reach the back fence. (flat)

Um.....LOTS of 4.5 women, I know, reach the back fence....but I will agree with you, that it is not uncommon for women and men not to reach the back fence, however, I assure you, the reason is not because they are under 40mph, it's because they have lousy, off-balance, poorly timed, poorly struck serves. Even here, as I'm sure you know, the majority of people who post videos are hardly going to be mistaken for pros! Most of the motions are....well....FUGLY!!!

raiden031 · 08-06-2009, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Datacipher

Oh OK. Well, I read that thread you started about watching the pros, and...to be honest....you're clearly not at a level yet at which you can even judge the pros....as you, even realize (thus, your confusion about why the "same" shot for you is not a winner).

In any case, If your serve "usually" reaches the back fence, I can ASSURE you, it's not 100mph.

As to the 40mph, I've never actually tried to measure my minimum speed to hit the back fence (I've never hit one that hasn't hit the back fence...), but I estimate around 40mph, as I've hit mid 60mph serves on radar that VERY easily reach the back fence. My warm ups are sometimes much slower than that, and they easily reach the back fence. (flat)

Um.....LOTS of 4.5 women, I know, reach the back fence....but I will agree with you, that it is not uncommon for women and men not to reach the back fence, however, I assure you, the reason is not because they are under 40mph, it's because they have lousy, off-balance, poorly timed, poorly struck serves. Even here, as I'm sure you know, the majority of people who post videos are hardly going to be mistaken for pros! Most of the motions are....well....FUGLY!!!

I don't get why people keep quoting "usually". I don't hit every first serve hard and flat and I also don't hit every first serve cleanly and sometimes hit a little bit off center. I mean if I hit a good first serve it nails the fence and makes some noise. So what happens when I hit a crappy serve should be irrelevant to my max speed.

How can you say a 40mph serve hit properly will hit the fence but one hit poorly will not? Once the ball leaves the racquet it is a projectile with no forces acting on it except gravity. The only thing that might make a difference from there is the spin and the angle in which it was hit.

I don't believe you if you say you always hit the back fence and never not hit it. I've seen pro men and women not hit the back fence occasionally (men on second serves, women on first serves).

Datacipher · 08-06-2009, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by raiden031

I don't get why people keep quoting "usually". I don't hit every first serve hard and flat and I also don't hit every first serve cleanly and sometimes hit a little bit off center. I mean if I hit a good first serve it nails the fence and makes some noise. So what happens when I hit a crappy serve should be irrelevant to my max speed.

How can you say a 40mph serve hit properly will hit the fence but one hit poorly will not? Once the ball leaves the racquet it is a projectile with no forces acting on it except gravity. The only thing that might make a difference from there is the spin and the angle in which it was hit.

I don't believe you if you say you always hit the back fence and never not hit it. I've seen pro men and women not hit the back fence occasionally (men on second serves, women on first serves).

Now you're crossing over into total idiot territory. YOU DON'T BELIEVE me.....unreal. That was hardly a claim to fame. Well go ahead and don't, it's pretty hard for me to produce a video of every serve I've ever hit. As I said, my ~40mph serves can reach the fence.

As to pros not hitting the fence, GET REAL. First, we were talking about a flat serve. Sure, a pro, fooling around, hitting the WUSSIEST slice of his life, might not reach the back fence, but ANY flat warm up serve of his will. The women as well, unless they are playing on a large court. No pro bounces the ball twice with a flat serve on a standard court. Give me a break. (Heaven almighty!TW at it's finest!) I DON'T.

If you HAD the motion and speed to hit a 100mph serve, it wouldn't matter, if you hit a bit off center. You'd REACH the friggen fence. MAN!

fruitytennis1 · 08-06-2009, 05:37 AM

Just out of question when do you see mens second serves even get past a person if they dont have enough speed to hit the fence. Do you get what im trying to say? If a serve doesnt have enough speed to get to the wall how will it get past another pro?

fruitytennis1 · 08-06-2009, 05:39 AM

Oh common i wanted the first word to comment on his ridiculous comment..

08-05-2009, 06:49 PM	#43
J011yroger G.O.A.T. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 11,429	^^^ Agree 100% If you watch tour events on TV you will see aces bounce off the back wall, and make it back to the baseline. Heck, I have even done it, and I have nowhere near a tour level serve. J __________________ I'm your huckleberry...

08-05-2009, 07:22 PM	#44
drakulie Talk Tennis Guru Join Date: May 2004 Location: FT. Lauderdale, Florida Posts: 23,906	I've hit the back wall at the stadium court of the sony ericsson on one bounce. Granted, it barely got there, but did hit the wall before bouncing. I would say it is about 40 feet. __________________ Head Stringer @ the LTC, Babolat Star 4 Stringer http://www.youtube.com/user/drakulie

08-06-2009, 04:04 AM	#55
raiden031 Legend Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,997	duplicate... __________________ There's no place for pushers in doubles. Federer leads 5-4 against Nadal on non-clay surfaces.

08-06-2009, 05:37 AM	#59
fruitytennis1 Professional Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: I wish i knew Posts: 1,040	Just out of question when do you see mens second serves even get past a person if they dont have enough speed to hit the fence. Do you get what im trying to say? If a serve doesnt have enough speed to get to the wall how will it get past another pro? __________________ At any level-It's the small things that don't matter, that matter.

08-06-2009, 05:39 AM	#60
fruitytennis1 Professional Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: I wish i knew Posts: 1,040	Oh common i wanted the first word to comment on his ridiculous comment.. __________________ At any level-It's the small things that don't matter, that matter.