Yeah, Graf's competition is so much stronger than the Williams sisters

EtePras · 08-08-2009, 06:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Jmi...eature=related

They were such amazing players back in the day! Players today only know how to "bash" with power. Now pushing, however, THAT's real skill. It truly shows off the variety and precision of the 80's-90's era of tennis!

Andy G · 08-08-2009, 06:37 PM

Yeah, I agree 100%. I posted a thread about this, and how Graf's Golden Slam in 1988 is so under-rated. If anyone today won all 4 majors and the olymoic gold in the same year, they would be heralded as the the greatest. Not to mention that she is the only player to complete a grand slam across 3 different surfaces. For those of you who don't know, there are a few women who won grand slams, it's not just Laver & Budge. Could you imagine the fire that would erupt at TW between Fed & Nadal fans if either of these men would have gotten a golden slam last year. Yet Graf's accomplishment is over looked because she is a 'she'.
http://www.tennis.com/features/gener...aspx?id=153982

Grass_for_cows · 08-08-2009, 06:50 PM

I think the OP is being facetious. On the other hand that's not just pushing, that's pushing.

And besides how many women today can hit overheads consistently? Sharapova or Jankovic would've smacked a swinging volley into the net before the moonball rally could get going.

lawrence · 08-08-2009, 06:50 PM

lol i think the OP was being sarcastic

フェデラー · 08-08-2009, 06:54 PM

where is julesb on this? Seles moonballing like an idiot lmao

JeMar · 08-08-2009, 07:02 PM

Julesb... I choose YOU!!!

julesb · 08-08-2009, 07:12 PM

Monica let Chris win that match. She knew it was the final U.S Open of the great legend. While neither Monica or Chris were anywhere near their primes, Monica even much further from hers in fact, she knew most expected her to win that match since she had beaten Chris on clay. If she could beat Chris on clay it would have been expected she would easily beat her on a fast hard court but she knew it would be sad for the great Chris Evert to not atleast make the quarters of her last slam and lose to some 15 year old kid way before her prime so she tanked the match basically.

Lifted · 08-08-2009, 07:15 PM

^^^^^^

Go on...

julesb · 08-08-2009, 07:16 PM

I think it was very nice of Monica.

Lifted · 08-08-2009, 07:24 PM

^^^^

Go on...

Andy G · 08-08-2009, 07:35 PM

Julesb, you're tagline states that graf is the most over rated female player of all time. You can't possibly be serious, 22 majors, 377 weeks #1-more than anyone male or female, 8 year end #1s, 107 titles. Over rated?? Seriously. You have your opinions, but to say over rated, yet most over rated of all time, is ridiculous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steffi_...eer_statistics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ranked_players

GameSampras · 08-08-2009, 08:17 PM

Margaret Court's grandma had better competiton in the 1850's than the William Sisters have now with all the fat clowns, russian headcases, or never will's

Cantankersore · 08-08-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GameSampras

Margaret Court's grandma had better competiton in the 1850's than the William Sisters have no with all the fat clowns, russian headcases, or never will's

Why can't people just admit that in 20 years, the general skill level in professional players has increased?

GameSampras · 08-08-2009, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankersore

Why can't people just admit that in 20 years, the general skill level in professional players has increased?

Skill level?? Youre serious? Youre saying chicks like Ivanovic the eye candy, Jankovic, Dementieva, Safain have a greater skill level than a Martina, Evert, Graf, Goolagong, Seles?

grafselesfan · 08-08-2009, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankersore

Why can't people just admit that in 20 years, the general skill level in professional players has increased?

Since it hasnt. The current mens and womens fields are the worst in tennis history, but even moreso the current womens fields than the mens. As a longtime WTA fan who has followed the sport closely since the mid 70s I am appaled at the state of womens tennis the last 3-4 years. Even earlier this decade it was light years better than now. Serena is even more dominant in the slam than she was at her 1999-2003 peak and she is about 60% the player (if that) that she was back then.

akv89 · 08-08-2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EtePras

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Jmi...eature=related

They were such amazing players back in the day! Players today only know how to "bash" with power. Now pushing, however, THAT's real skill. It truly shows off the variety and precision of the 80's-90's era of tennis!

That is just disgusting tennis.

grafselesfan · 08-08-2009, 09:21 PM

So one lame point where they both hit moonballs. Evert was killing Monica in that match, Monica was probably desperately trying an almost unimaginable tactic to try and cool off a red hot Evert.
It happens. Atleast in desperation she is obviously thinking and trying to come up with something, which todays women ever do. If you want to see disgusting tennis show one of todays women serving for a big match that is still reasonably close and double faulting atleast twice in the game gauranteed.

EtePras · 08-08-2009, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GameSampras

Skill level?? Youre serious? Youre saying chicks like Ivanovic the eye candy, Jankovic, Dementieva, Safain have a greater skill level than a Martina, Evert, Graf, Goolagong, Seles?

Didn't I just prove that Evert and Seles are about as good as a 3.0 pusher? I highly doubt anyone that's known for losing to them would be much better.

CountryHillbilly · 08-08-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrence

lol i think the OP was being sarcastic

lol,

I think Monica and Chris were being sarcastic

boredone3456 · 08-09-2009, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankersore

Why can't people just admit that in 20 years, the general skill level in professional players has increased?

so the fact that matches today have more unforced errors than winners, frequently have more breaks of serves than holds, and players contesting them who know how to do nothing else besides trying to give the ball a concussion means there is more general "skill" among players today? Sorry that does not compute in my mind. Just because they hit the ball harder, does not mean they are better.

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Andy G Semi-Pro Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 458	Yeah, I agree 100%. I posted a thread about this, and how Graf's Golden Slam in 1988 is so under-rated. If anyone today won all 4 majors and the olymoic gold in the same year, they would be heralded as the the greatest. Not to mention that she is the only player to complete a grand slam across 3 different surfaces. For those of you who don't know, there are a few women who won grand slams, it's not just Laver & Budge. Could you imagine the fire that would erupt at TW between Fed & Nadal fans if either of these men would have gotten a golden slam last year. Yet Graf's accomplishment is over looked because she is a 'she'. http://www.tennis.com/features/gener...aspx?id=153982 Last edited by Andy G : 08-09-2009 at 12:29 AM.

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