Will Doubles League/Tourament affect NTRP ranking?

[robert]

I plan to play some upcoming Mixed Double Leagues and some USTA sanctioned double tourament.

I am just curious whether my NTRP rating will be affected by these doubles games.

[Wakenslam]

If you're talking about getting bumped up, then probably not, unless you win handily, and your opponents have strong ratings. It seems to me that in general, singles wins will get you bumped up a lot faster than doubles.

[robert]

Originally Posted by Wakenslam

If you're talking about getting bumped up, then probably not, unless you win handily, and your opponents have strong ratings. It seems to me that in general, singles wins will get you bumped up a lot faster than doubles.

I am 3.0. My partner is 4.0. So we plan to play 7.0 Doubles touraments.
It means that we may face most of 3.5+3.5 players. If we got many wins in Doubles touraments, would I get bumped to 3.5?

[Topaz]

Please take note, rankings and ratings are two different things.

Any NTRP tournaments you play can affect your rating, but that doesn't mean (especially in mixed) that you have to worry about getting bumped. If you play regular adult league and also mixed, then your rating will only be determined by your adult league results, and not by your mixed. If you *only* play mixed tournaments, then your rating will be an NTRP with a "M" designation (meaning it is based on mixed results alone). Those tend to be less accurate then those generated through adult league play IMO.

As far as tournaments, an NTRP tournament will affect rating and could actually generate a ranking for you if you play enough of them. For instance, I played some NTRP tournaments last summer, and ended up with a doubles and a singles ranking in 3.5. My rating (of 3.5) stayed the same though, because I didn't blow anyone out (which would get me moved up) or get creamed badly enough (which could get me dropped)...but generally speaking, since I play so much adult league, whatever happens in the few tournaments I play isn't enough to dramatically move my rating.

And yes, it is easier to move up and down if you stick to singles alone...then your NTRP isn't influenced by that of your partner's.

[goober]

Originally Posted by robert

I am 3.0. My partner is 4.0. So we plan to play 7.0 Doubles touraments.
It means that we may face most of 3.5+3.5 players. If we got many wins in Doubles touraments, would I get bumped to 3.5?

USTA dubs tournament in the Southwest region (I see you are from AZ) will affect your rating. How much depends on what is your exact current rating, how much you win by and what the exact are current rating of your opponents. If you are at 2.95 and win a bunch of matches I would expect you to get your rating over 3.0. If you are at 2.61, I doubt it would be enough to bring you up unless all the wins were very lopsided. Unfortunately there is no way to know your exact rating unless you have some inside connections

What is your early start rating? Those were posted in August. If your ESR is already 3.5 well you already know where you stand

[robert]

Originally Posted by goober

USTA dubs tournament in the Southwest region (I see you are from AZ) will affect your rating. How much depends on what is your exact current rating, how much you win by and what the exact are current rating of your opponents. If you are at 2.95 and win a bunch of matches I would expect you to get your rating over 3.0. If you are at 2.61, I doubt it would be enough to bring you up unless all the wins were very lopsided. Unfortunately there is no way to know your exact rating unless you have some inside connections

What is your early start rating? Those were posted in August. If your ESR is already 3.5 well you already know where you stand

My ESR is 3.0. This is my first USTA year. I self rated 3.0 and only played 3 Adult league games (2 Doubles and 1 single). I beat all singles players in my team. But my coach didn't let me play in playoff since he wants to save me for next year. I don't know whether he really think so or not.

If I got bumped to 3.5 by my Doubles Tournament results, my coach will shout at me. BTW: I plan to play Mixed Double league and Men's Double Touranment. Both will be 7.0 levels.

[goober]

Originally Posted by robert

My ESR is 3.0. This is my first USTA year. I self rated 3.0 and only played 3 Adult league games (2 Doubles and 1 single). I beat all singles players in my team. But my coach didn't let me play in playoff since he wants to save me for next year. I don't know whether he really think so or not.

If I got bumped to 3.5 by my Doubles Tournament results, my coach will shout at me. BTW: I plan to play Mixed Double league and Men's Double Touranment. Both will be 7.0 levels.

When you say coach do you mean captain?

Anyhoo- I guess you have to figure out what your priorities are in tennis. Is it to get better at tennis, play on a team going to nationals or what? Since you are an adult I am not sure why you be worried about a 3.0 captain shouting at you? What is he going to do- kick you off the team? haha

If you are trying to improve playing a whole year and the remainder of this year at 3.0 is not going to help you much since you already said you can beat all the players on your team. If being on this team is a big deal to you for social reasons or other reasons I guess you probably should avoid USTA tournaments. Play club league, ATA or peach league matches.

[Topaz]

But Goober, since he played adult league, won't his mixed results not affect his rating?

[goober]

Originally Posted by Topaz

But Goober, since he played adult league, won't his mixed results not affect his rating?

According to his original post he said he was playing mixed dubs league and a regular doubles tournament. I was addressing the dubs tournament not his mixed league. His dubs tournament will count into his final year end ranking but will not generate strikes from what I remember reading.

[robert]

Originally Posted by goober

According to his original post he said he was playing mixed dubs league and a regular doubles tournament. I was addressing the dubs tournament not his mixed league. His dubs tournament will count into his final year end ranking but will not generate strikes from what I remember reading.

Sorry for the confusion. I played three 3.0 Adult League for this year. Haven't played 7.0 Mixed Doubles League and 7.0 Mens Double Touranment yet. And my current rating is still 3.0.
Sounds like the Mixed Double league isn't an issue. How big is the impact of my 7.0 Mens' Double Touranment results to my the end of year rating?

[Topaz]

Originally Posted by robert

How big is the impact of my 7.0 Mens' Double Touranment results to my the end of year rating?

That depends on how well you do and who your opponents are.

[robert]

Originally Posted by Topaz

That depends on how well you do and who your opponents are.

So if we control the score like 6:4;7:6. Then am I OK? Also my partner is 4.0, how will this affect my rating? Suppose we win two strong 3.5 players (80% wins records) with 64 and 64. Does my rating pumped a lot? E.g. from 3.1->3.4? I guess my question is if we win the 7.0 Doubles Title, can I avoid to be bumped to 3.5?

[Topaz]

*rolling eyes*

Listen, you either play your game and take what happens, win or lose, you become one of those people who sandbag, are dishonest, and make USTA leagues and tournaments unenjoyable for the honest folks.

[robert]

Originally Posted by Topaz

*rolling eyes*

Listen, you either play your game and take what happens, win or lose, you become one of those people who sandbag, are dishonest, and make USTA leagues and tournaments unenjoyable for the honest folks.

Every USTA team only wants the under-rated players to get to playoff. Couple of months ago I lost to a 2.5 player. I don't think he is 2.5. But he told me that he isn't the best in 2.5 level. I think everyone playing USTA is struggling on this.

I want to play as high as possible. But reality is different from what I thought. My friend, who won 4.0 local tourament champ, only got played 1 match in 4.0 league because team needs more wins.

[amarone]

Originally Posted by robert

So if we control the score like 6:4;7:6. Then am I OK?

No, you are not OK; you are a cheat.

[kennydoe]

Here in NY (southern), XD leagues do NOT affect rating.

It makes sense too...a 3.5 woman playing with a 4.5 man will win a lot of matches, but it will most likely not be because she played so well.

If a 3.5 woman got bumped up to 4.0 after playing her season with 4.5 man, she'll likely get her butt handed to her when she goes back to play 4.0 womens.

[kennydoe]

my above post related to playing 8.0 Mixed

[Geezer Guy]

Originally Posted by robert

... But my coach didn't let me play in playoff since he wants to save me for next year. ...

If I got bumped to 3.5 by my Doubles Tournament results, my coach will shout at me. ...

Sounds like your coach is a cheat, and he's grooming you to be the same.

This is your first year in USTA? This is NOT how you play the game.

You play to win EVERY match FAIRLY. You don't try to "manage" the score. You don't intentionally try to injur your opponent.

You do your best in a match, you shake your opponents hand at the end, and you sit down for a beer with them.

[damazing]

Originally Posted by robert

I beat all singles players in my team. But my coach didn't let me play in playoff since he wants to save me for next year. I don't know whether he really think so or not.

This sounds like your captain thinks you should be at the next level (3.5) and figured you'd be DQ'ed if you really played, so he benched you this year so you'd get that "computer" rating for next year.

What do you get out of this? You said you only played three times in match play - does your team practice enough otherwise for you to get enough tennis?