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Old 10-05-2009, 10:53 AM   #61
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So you keep saying...
Anyways although I find her personality disgusting I totally agree that her views shouldn't make a difference to her legacy, but IMO Court purely as a player is not GOAT or better than Martina. The poster I was referring to is just an arrogant Court fanatic who refuses to accept anyone else's opinion. She is definitely a GOAT contender but he talks like she is the only possibility.
Look, Martina's and to a greater extent Kings advocacy of their chosen disgusting lifestyle and left leaning stances on many political issues turn my stomach. And Martina's vein popping muscle bound frame certainly did not endear her to many.

But she was the most exciting woman's player I can recall and IMO the best there ever was.

I certainly can support her as GOAT.
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Old 10-07-2009, 10:40 PM   #62
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So you keep saying...
Anyways although I find her personality disgusting I totally agree that her views shouldn't make a difference to her legacy, but IMO Court purely as a player is not GOAT or better than Martina. The poster I was referring to is just an arrogant Court fanatic who refuses to accept anyone else's opinion. She is definitely a GOAT contender but he talks like she is the only possibility.
Hey dopey.. I didn't have to say that she is GOAT. Her stats speak for themselves.. But thats right. You dont think that doubles or mixed doubles counts. Because in your deluded way, if you say it long enough. People may believe it.. Anyways, if you take away the doubles stats, she still has more. But then you will go on about the weak Australian fields, and that has also been done to death...

You are just a mamby pampy on a message board trying to cause trouble, because you simply havn't added anything credible or substantial to this topic.. You have just played the guy that wants to disagree for the sake of reading your own replies..
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Old 10-07-2009, 10:56 PM   #63
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Hey dopey.. I didn't have to say that she is GOAT. Her stats speak for themselves
You are right. A record based solely on over double the Australian Opens as anyone else, an event that was about the 20th biggest WTA event until the early 80s and in which Margaret Court-Jan Lehane (anyone ever hear of her) was the final FOUR straight years makes her the undisputed GOAT. No questions asked. The female GOAT also would have only a third of the # of wins of the current record holder (Navratilova of course) at arguably the biggest event in tennis, and by far the biggest event on her consensus best surface, and even half the # of wins at that very event as her biggest contemporary rival who isnt even a serious GOAT contender. That all makes perfect sense.
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Just so I don't have to re-write my comment from the last page. (seems you obviously just skim through and pick what you want, and don't read everything). Here is my reply to your old and tired remark about the Australian Open of the day..

"As for your Australian Open comment. Let me just be very clear about one thing in regards to that.. The Australian Open at the time Court won all of her 11 was open to all and sundry that wanted to play it. The fact that Americans and Europeans chose not to is of no fault of Courts. In fact who says that the fields would have been any better if the internationals had of been there or not? Maybe the weak Australian players scared them off from coming? The fact is that you can't win something if you don't show up. So I say fool those players for not making the effort. And good on Margaret for supporting her sport, and supporting her home Grand Slam... For that effort, the history books will forever show that she did infact turn up to play. And that she did in fact win.. 11 of those suckers!!

To say that she played weak fields. Then by winning all slams on multiple occasions suggests that it wouldn't have mattered who she played.. She could win anywhere, against anyone. Period..."


As for you sir. You have won jack shyte in the grand scheme of tennis history.. So all I can say is that there are no awards for being GOAT as an annoying little troll on a message board that want's to make up history to suit his own argument..

Personally I don't care if Court is the greatest. I just know that Martina, and Graf are not...
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:29 AM   #65
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Just so I don't have to re-write my comment from the last page. (seems you obviously just skim through and pick what you want, and don't read everything). Here is my reply to your old and tired remark about the Australian Open of the day..

"As for your Australian Open comment. Let me just be very clear about one thing in regards to that.. The Australian Open at the time Court won all of her 11 was open to all and sundry that wanted to play it. The fact that Americans and Europeans chose not to is of no fault of Courts. In fact who says that the fields would have been any better if the internationals had of been there or not? Maybe the weak Australian players scared them off from coming? The fact is that you can't win something if you don't show up. So I say fool those players for not making the effort. And good on Margaret for supporting her sport, and supporting her home Grand Slam... For that effort, the history books will forever show that she did infact turn up to play. And that she did in fact win.. 11 of those suckers!!

To say that she played weak fields. Then by winning all slams on multiple occasions suggests that it wouldn't have mattered who she played.. She could win anywhere, against anyone. Period..."

As for you sir. You have won jack shyte in the grand scheme of tennis history.. So all I can say is that there are no awards for being GOAT as an annoying little troll on a message board that want's to make up history to suit his own argument..

Personally I don't care if Court is the greatest. I just know that Martina, and Graf are not...
If we take open era and the days when tennis was not professional into account, they are.
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:43 AM   #66
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If we take open era and the days when tennis was not professional into account, they are.
But the Pro and amateur thing was only on the men's side.... The Women's tour has just existed the same from day one..
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Just so I don't have to re-write my comment from the last page. (seems you obviously just skim through and pick what you want, and don't read everything). Here is my reply to your old and tired remark about the Australian Open of the day..

"As for your Australian Open comment. Let me just be very clear about one thing in regards to that.. The Australian Open at the time Court won all of her 11 was open to all and sundry that wanted to play it. The fact that Americans and Europeans chose not to is of no fault of Courts. In fact who says that the fields would have been any better if the internationals had of been there or not? Maybe the weak Australian players scared them off from coming? The fact is that you can't win something if you don't show up. So I say fool those players for not making the effort. And good on Margaret for supporting her sport, and supporting her home Grand Slam... For that effort, the history books will forever show that she did infact turn up to play. And that she did in fact win.. 11 of those suckers!!

To say that she played weak fields. Then by winning all slams on multiple occasions suggests that it wouldn't have mattered who she played.. She could win anywhere, against anyone. Period..."


As for you sir. You have won jack shyte in the grand scheme of tennis history.. So all I can say is that there are no awards for being GOAT as an annoying little troll on a message board that want's to make up history to suit his own argument..

Personally I don't care if Court is the greatest. I just know that Martina, and Graf are not...
It is too bad your Chris_In_Japan username was not only banned but had all its posts removed. You are just copying your own work from your old username and it would be easy to catch you red handed.

Anyway lets all give Court her due on one thing. She is the all time GOAT in beating Jan Lehane in
slam finals. Nobody has ever done that better than her, or surely beaten someone of that low of quality in as many as 4 slam finals.

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Old 10-08-2009, 04:06 AM   #68
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It is too bad your Chris_In_Japan username was not only banned but had all its posts removed. You are just copying your own work from your old username and it would be easy to catch you red handed.

Anyway lets all give Court her due on one thing. She is the all time GOAT in beating Jan Lehane in
slam finals. Nobody has ever done that better than her, or surely beaten someone of that low of quality in as many as 4 slam finals.
Look up VikingSamurai, he still has all his posts intact despite being banned, and signed a lot of his posts 'Chris_in_Japan' so it's definitely him. And you are right, for example this Darth guy has been saying over and over in this thread about how Navratilova called herself GOAT and VikingSamurai also posted about that very same thing. It's obviously the same guy.


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Hey dopey.. I didn't have to say that she is GOAT. Her stats speak for themselves.. But thats right. You dont think that doubles or mixed doubles counts. Because in your deluded way, if you say it long enough. People may believe it.. Anyways, if you take away the doubles stats, she still has more. But then you will go on about the weak Australian fields, and that has also been done to death...

You are just a mamby pampy on a message board trying to cause trouble, because you simply havn't added anything credible or substantial to this topic.. You have just played the guy that wants to disagree for the sake of reading your own replies..
Nice try Chris, I'm a good poster and I contribute nicely especially on this section of the board, but arguing with trolls like you never results in nice conversation. I, unlike you, have never been banned from this forum. YOU are 'just a mamby pampy on a message board trying to cause trouble', as seen by you being banned many times and coming back.
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Old 10-08-2009, 05:58 AM   #69
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But the Pro and amateur thing was only on the men's side.... The Women's tour has just existed the same from day one..
You maybe be right, but if I recall the open era began in 1968.
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You maybe be right, but if I recall the open era began in 1968.
Pro era was only for the men.... Actually you should ask one of the true history guys on here about that...

As for you other plebs..

Its funny to watch the sharks circle.. Not only have you not added anything substantial or informative to this thread. But you have all gone into a feeding frenzy...

Its great to see that instead of using these boards for open honest discussion. You half-witts prefer to use it as your personal toilet and just ruin threads for your own pleasure..

Last I will say on it, as this subject has become old...

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The record books state that Margaret Court is the greatest of all time.
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For anyone that uses the weak Australian Open field as an excuse. I simply say this.

"You can't win a tournament, if you dont show up?".

It is for that reason I say that the American and European players have let themselves down in vyeing for what was a chance at setting the record books strait. The fact they didn't attend this Grand Slam event is of no fault to Margaret Court and her achievments. ....

For a European or American to travel to Australia for just one (or maybe two) tournaments was simply to expensive.
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The greatest player ever is Steffi Graf. By the way Graf was the year end #1 8 times, more than anyone else in history.
I agree.
IMO, Graf's most impressive achievement is that she won FO, Wimbledon AND USO in the same year FOUR times. The three most prestigious tournaments in the world.
Mind-blowing!
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Let me guess. You looove Graf...

Dude we get it already......

But she's not the greatest in all honesty
Most people think otherwise.
Court isn't far behind, tough. Or Evert and Navratilova.
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That's the way it should be.


But you're right, any of those players can be logically argued at the GOAT.

Suzanne Lenglen and Helen Wills are valid GOAT candidates too.

No, they aren't.
Back in those times the pool of tennis-playing women was far, far smaller than in the open era.
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