How rare is it to win multiple slams in the same year(Open ERA)?

Talker · 10-03-2009, 04:22 PM

How rare is it to win multiple slams in the same year(Open ERA)?

(Looks like I have some free time today).

NOTE: If your favorite player isn't here then wait a year and check back for the update.

If you think your player deserves to be considered an all-time great check out below what it takes( a calender year GS winner would do it).

I wanted to display the stats we all know in a different format, sometimes it makes things clearer (sometimes not).

Laver is included in all of these since he won them all in '69.

AO-RG done 3 times The hardest double to win.
Laver( 69 ), Wilander( 88 ), Courier(92).

AO-WB done 7 times
Laver(69), Conners(74), Sampras(94,97), Federer(04,06,07)

AO-UO done 7 times
Laver(69), Newcombe(73), Conners(74), Wilander(88 ), Federer(04,06,07)

RG-WB done 6 times
Laver(69), Borg(78,79,80), Nadal(08 ), Federer(09)

RG-UO done 6 times
Laver(69), Vilas(77), Lendl(86,87), Wilander(88 ), Agassi(99)

WB-UO done 12 times Piece of cake double.
Laver(69), Conners(74,82), McEnroe(81,84), Becker(89), Sampras(93,95), Fed(04,05,06,07)

Any double with the AO as one of them 17 times
Any double with the RG as one of them 15 times
Any double with the WB as one of them 24 times
Any double with the UO as one of them 25 times

The French is the hardest to win in any double slam of the year by a large margin Probably due to the different style of play on clay and the skills needed there.

and 3 slams in one year.

AO-RG-WB done 1 time
Laver(69)

AO-RG-UO done 2 times
Laver (69), Wilander(88 )

AO-WB-UO done 5 times
Laver(69), Conners(74), Federer(04,06,07)

RG-WB-UO done 1 time
Laver (69)

Any triple with the AO as one of them 9 times
Any triple with the RG as one of them 4 times
Any triple with the WB as one of them 7 times
Any triple with the UO as one of them 8 times

In my response to my first list where example Laver won 4 slams in a year he was in ALL lists causing some confusion, myself included.

This list is ONLY winning the combinations listed, for example if a player won 3 GS in a year he will be listed in the 3 GS combination list and not duplicated in the 2 GS combination list.
This changes the outlook quite a bit with the numbers.

For 2 slams ONLY in one year.

AO-RG done 1 time
Courier(92)

AO-WB done 1 time
Sampras(94,97)

AO-UO done 1 time
Newcombe(73)

RG-WB done 5 times
Borg(78,79,80), Nadal(08 ), Federer(09)

RG-UO done 4 times
Vilas(77), Lendl(86,87), Agassi(99)

WB-UO done 7 times Piece of cake double.
Conners(82), McEnroe(81,84), Becker(89), Sampras(93,95), Fed(05)

Any double with the AO as one of them 3 times
Any double with the RG as one of them 10 times
Any double with the WB as one of them 13 times
Any double with the UO as one of them 12 times

And 3 slams only in one year.

AO-RG-WB done 0 time
No one

AO-RG-UO done 1 times
Wilander(88 )

AO-WB-UO done 4 times
Conners(74), Federer(04,06,07)

RG-WB-UO done 0 time
No one

Any triple with the AO as one of them 5 times
Any triple with the RG as one of them 1 times
Any triple with the WB as one of them 4 times
Any triple with the UO as one of them 0 times

4 slams in one year done 1 time.
Laver won the calender GS in (69)

geese_com · 10-03-2009, 04:54 PM

Thanks for that analysis. Pretty interesting to see.

ZhengJieisagoddess · 10-03-2009, 04:58 PM

Your study would seem to make the case for Rod Laver being the GOAT.

Talker · 10-03-2009, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZhengJieisagoddess

Your study would seem to make the case for Rod Laver being the GOAT.

It is a plus for Laver, but it takes a calender slam to be on all lists.

I was considering doing it as ONLY 2 or ONLY 3 slams a year, this way Laver wouldn't end up on all entries. In that case Laver wouldn't end up on any entries, I would have to make an additional one for all GS's in a year to include Laver.

jimbo333 · 10-03-2009, 05:48 PM

Wilander actually won Aussie, French and US in 88, not Aussie, French and Wimbledon!

And LAVER is the GOAT

Talker · 10-03-2009, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo333

Wilander actually won Aussie, French and US in 88, not Aussie, French and Wimbledon!

And LAVER is the GOAT

Corrected!

Are you sure about Laver?

luckyboy1300 · 10-03-2009, 06:12 PM

wilander is still the only man in history to win slams in all 3 surfaces (clay, grass and hardcourts) at least twice each. if roger defends his RG title next year he would be the next one.

asafi2 · 10-03-2009, 06:16 PM

I'm confused. So if Laver ONLY won the calendar slam as his only slams then he would be goat because he is on this list in every category?

I think Federer is even more impressive on this list...look at how many times hes done each one.

akv89 · 10-03-2009, 06:45 PM

It's an informative list. It looks like you're only looking at the calendar year (Jan - Dec). I think it might be more objective to look at how often players won multiple grand slams over any rolling year.

Talker · 10-03-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asafi2

I'm confused. So if Laver ONLY won the calendar slam as his only slams then he would be goat because he is on this list in every category?

I think Federer is even more impressive on this list...look at how many times hes done each one.

You have a point, I've added another list at the end of my first post, this list is only the slams listed, where as the first list was at least the slams listed, quite different.

Laver is not quite so impressive here.

ZhengJieisagoddess · 10-03-2009, 08:37 PM

If the French Open is the hardest to win, then the GOAT MUST have a significant achievement in that category. I am no Laver fan -- heck, he was before my time and the only reason I pay attention to him is because Martina Navratilova says he was her hero-- but it seems that if you assume that, then the GOAT must have something there.

Talker · 10-03-2009, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZhengJieisagoddess

If the French Open is the hardest to win, then the GOAT MUST have a significant achievement in that category. I am no Laver fan -- heck, he was before my time and the only reason I pay attention to him is because Martina Navratilova says he was her hero-- but it seems that if you assume that, then the GOAT must have something there.

Every time I get in those GOAT discussions I can't remember ever changing anyones mind. There are good arguments at times though.

10-03-2009, 09:27 PM

So Laver is the only calendar SLAM winner? Nice.

10-03-2009, 04:22 PM	#1
Talker Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,357	How rare is it to win multiple slams in the same year(Open ERA)? How rare is it to win multiple slams in the same year(Open ERA)? (Looks like I have some free time today). NOTE: If your favorite player isn't here then wait a year and check back for the update. If you think your player deserves to be considered an all-time great check out below what it takes( a calender year GS winner would do it). I wanted to display the stats we all know in a different format, sometimes it makes things clearer (sometimes not). Laver is included in all of these since he won them all in '69. AO-RG done 3 times The hardest double to win. Laver( 69 ), Wilander( 88 ), Courier(92). AO-WB done 7 times Laver(69), Conners(74), Sampras(94,97), Federer(04,06,07) AO-UO done 7 times Laver(69), Newcombe(73), Conners(74), Wilander(88 ), Federer(04,06,07) RG-WB done 6 times Laver(69), Borg(78,79,80), Nadal(08 ), Federer(09) RG-UO done 6 times Laver(69), Vilas(77), Lendl(86,87), Wilander(88 ), Agassi(99) WB-UO done 12 times Piece of cake double. Laver(69), Conners(74,82), McEnroe(81,84), Becker(89), Sampras(93,95), Fed(04,05,06,07) Any double with the AO as one of them 17 times Any double with the RG as one of them 15 times Any double with the WB as one of them 24 times Any double with the UO as one of them 25 times The French is the hardest to win in any double slam of the year by a large margin Probably due to the different style of play on clay and the skills needed there. and 3 slams in one year. AO-RG-WB done 1 time Laver(69) AO-RG-UO done 2 times Laver (69), Wilander(88 ) AO-WB-UO done 5 times Laver(69), Conners(74), Federer(04,06,07) RG-WB-UO done 1 time Laver (69) Any triple with the AO as one of them 9 times Any triple with the RG as one of them 4 times Any triple with the WB as one of them 7 times Any triple with the UO as one of them 8 times In my response to my first list where example Laver won 4 slams in a year he was in ALL lists causing some confusion, myself included. This list is ONLY winning the combinations listed, for example if a player won 3 GS in a year he will be listed in the 3 GS combination list and not duplicated in the 2 GS combination list. This changes the outlook quite a bit with the numbers. For 2 slams ONLY in one year. AO-RG done 1 time Courier(92) AO-WB done 1 time Sampras(94,97) AO-UO done 1 time Newcombe(73) RG-WB done 5 times Borg(78,79,80), Nadal(08 ), Federer(09) RG-UO done 4 times Vilas(77), Lendl(86,87), Agassi(99) WB-UO done 7 times Piece of cake double. Conners(82), McEnroe(81,84), Becker(89), Sampras(93,95), Fed(05) Any double with the AO as one of them 3 times Any double with the RG as one of them 10 times Any double with the WB as one of them 13 times Any double with the UO as one of them 12 times And 3 slams only in one year. AO-RG-WB done 0 time No one AO-RG-UO done 1 times Wilander(88 ) AO-WB-UO done 4 times Conners(74), Federer(04,06,07) RG-WB-UO done 0 time No one Any triple with the AO as one of them 5 times Any triple with the RG as one of them 1 times Any triple with the WB as one of them 4 times Any triple with the UO as one of them 0 times 4 slams in one year done 1 time. Laver won the calender GS in (69) Last edited by Talker : 10-03-2009 at 07:29 PM.

10-03-2009, 04:58 PM	#3
ZhengJieisagoddess Semi-Pro Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Falls Church, VA Posts: 440	Your study would seem to make the case for Rod Laver being the GOAT. __________________ Yonex RDiS 300 with NXT 16 at 50 lbs. Yonex Supergrap, of course! KSwiss Defiers.

10-03-2009, 05:48 PM	#5
jimbo333 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Windsor, England Posts: 3,987	Wilander actually won Aussie, French and US in 88, not Aussie, French and Wimbledon! And LAVER is the GOAT __________________ :)

10-03-2009, 06:12 PM	#7
luckyboy1300 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,794	wilander is still the only man in history to win slams in all 3 surfaces (clay, grass and hardcourts) at least twice each. if roger defends his RG title next year he would be the next one. __________________ How hard is it to spell L-O-O-S-E as L-O-S-E? Last edited by luckyboy1300 : 10-03-2009 at 06:27 PM.

10-03-2009, 08:37 PM	#11
ZhengJieisagoddess Semi-Pro Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Falls Church, VA Posts: 440	If the French Open is the hardest to win, then the GOAT MUST have a significant achievement in that category. I am no Laver fan -- heck, he was before my time and the only reason I pay attention to him is because Martina Navratilova says he was her hero-- but it seems that if you assume that, then the GOAT must have something there. __________________ Yonex RDiS 300 with NXT 16 at 50 lbs. Yonex Supergrap, of course! KSwiss Defiers.