Navratilova compares Agassi to Roger Clemens (She is pissed!)

JennyS · 10-29-2009, 01:41 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

Cyan · 10-29-2009, 01:42 PM

Ouch................................

batz · 10-29-2009, 01:52 PM

Who is Roger Clemens and what did he do?

jamesblakefan#1 · 10-29-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by batz

Who is Roger Clemens and what did he do?

American baseball pitcher who lied about taking steroids during his playing career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_C...of_steroid_use

hifi heretic · 10-29-2009, 01:58 PM

I like Martina, but too damn bad. ..Andre has a right to spill his guts about his career no matter what. If he were an actor or musician no one would grumble about his decision to exorcise some demons. Yet because this is tennis, he's supposed to be guarded and protective. BS! Maybe the greatest good to come from his story is that it will shine a light on what happens when a parent turns their 8 year old child into a meal-ticket. Might these revelations damage Andre's legacy and relationship to the sport?? Quite likely. ..But I admire that this doesn't deter him from sharing his story. to thy own self be true.

And the comparison to Clemons is bogus. For one, RC used a substance known to improve performance in sports; Andre used a recreational drug that can only ruin ones performance in sport. Secondly, RC fessed up to only after being outed whereas Andre admitted to this without any prompting.

ilovecarlos · 10-29-2009, 02:01 PM

I don't blame Martina. I honestly don't know what possible reason Agassi could have for coming out and admitting this. Sure makes the ATP look stupid. I never joined in all of the love and adoration for Agassi. I know he lied about lot's of things...mostly injuries when he lost in an early round. He was a pretty lousey example to young players. Yeah, he's done a lot of good since then, with his Academy, but it shows others that some people can get away with anything if they are the "fair haired" albeit "fairhairpieced wearing" athelete.

batz · 10-29-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

American baseball pitcher who lied about taking steroids during his playing career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_C...of_steroid_use

Thanks.

Clemens sounds like a bit of a bawbag and possible drug cheat. Don't see how Andre is in any way comparable. Sounds like an over-reaction to me.

jamesblakefan#1 · 10-29-2009, 02:03 PM

Martina should have sympathy for someone having to keep something secret for so long. After all she did have to keep her sexuality a secret.

jamesblakefan#1 · 10-29-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by batz

Thanks.

Clemens sounds like a bit of a bawbag and possible drug cheat. Don't see how Andre is in any way comparable. Sounds like an over-reaction to me.

Yes the main difference is Clemens used stuff he knew would give him a competitive advantage. Meth to my knowledge gives no competitive advantage.

TBobLP · 10-29-2009, 02:05 PM

clemens used drugs to help his play...wtf does crystal meth do to help you play tennis?? run faster? i think nothing should be taken away from him, and comparing him to roger clemens is completely ridiculous.

Moose Malloy · 10-29-2009, 02:06 PM

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“Andre lied and got away with it,” Navratilova said. “You can’t correct that now. Do you take away a title he wouldn’t have won if he had been suspended? He beat some people when he should have been suspended.”

The penalty for testing positive for recreational drugs in '97 was a 3 month suspension.

Agassi said he was informed of his positive test in the fall of '97, when he dropped out of the top 100. He hardly played at all that year(had an injury)

The only title he won when he should have been suspended was a challenger in fall '97.

There are excerpts from his book in the new issue of SI. Apparently the book is over 400 pages, sounds like it will blow Pete & Mac's book away in terms of detail(even in the brief excerpts I read the way he breaks down Goran's serving tendencies vs other lefty servers is really fascinating)
And the story of when his dad met Graf's dad for the 1st time is hilarious.

batz · 10-29-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Moose Malloy

The penalty for testing positive for recreational drugs in '97 was a 3 month suspension.

Agassi said he was informed of his positive test in the fall of '97, when he dropped out of the top 100.

The only title he won when he should have been suspended was a challenger.

There are excerpts from his book in the new issue of SI. Apparently the book is over 400 pages, sounds like it will blow Pete & Mac's book away in terms of detail.

Yep - it's gone to the top of my Xmas book list.

LDVTennis · 10-29-2009, 02:10 PM

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Quoting from that article: “Andre lied and got away with it,” Navratilova said. “You can’t correct that now. Do you take away a title he wouldn’t have won if he had been suspended? He beat some people when he should have been suspended.”

Martina doesn't get it.

You'll note that we have no comment yet from Sampras on the subject. And, Sampras competed against Andre, Martina didn't.

But, I guess, once the butt of everyone's joke, always the butt of everyone's joke. Isn't it obvious to Martina that they called her to see what she thought because the suspicion has always been out there that she was juicing up on something?

Docalex007 · 10-29-2009, 02:11 PM

I agree with most people here... Agassi taking meth is hardly anything similar to Clemens taking steroids...

I actually admire Agassi quite a lot more now knowing he just had to set the truth free... even when he didn't have to.

Chadwixx · 10-29-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Yes the main difference is Clemens used stuff he knew would give him a competitive advantage. Meth to my knowledge gives no competitive advantage.

What makes you think meth is the only thing he took?

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN · 10-29-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chadwixx

What makes you think meth is the only thing he took?

What makes you think it isn’t the only thing he did take? All this knowledge came from the source himself. Anything else beyond that will be pure conjecture unless the ATP and Agassi decide to divulge anything further.

pame · 10-29-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chadwixx

What makes you think meth is the only thing he took?

What makes you think it isn't?

Chadwixx · 10-29-2009, 02:28 PM

You have to be really nieve to think someone experiments with meth.

Its like your first drink being everclear instead of a beer/wine.

His assistant just drops an ounce of meth on his table and he says nothing? If someone did that at your house im sure you would say something unless its been previously reguarded as ok.

LafayetteHitter · 10-29-2009, 02:31 PM

With the lifestyle she lives I don't think she has room to put anyone down. It reminds of how Rosie O'donnell puts people down.

CCNM · 10-29-2009, 02:50 PM

I used to like Roger Clemens. I was disappointed when I found out about his drug use, like I'm disappointed in Agassi. I think Martina N needs to shut her mouth-she talks too much!!!!

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batz G.O.A.T. Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 12,301	Who is Roger Clemens and what did he do? __________________ "If Murray were always good, he would not be so good." MixieP - Philosopher

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hifi heretic Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 228	I like Martina, but too damn bad. ..Andre has a right to spill his guts about his career no matter what. If he were an actor or musician no one would grumble about his decision to exorcise some demons. Yet because this is tennis, he's supposed to be guarded and protective. BS! Maybe the greatest good to come from his story is that it will shine a light on what happens when a parent turns their 8 year old child into a meal-ticket. Might these revelations damage Andre's legacy and relationship to the sport?? Quite likely. ..But I admire that this doesn't deter him from sharing his story. to thy own self be true. And the comparison to Clemons is bogus. For one, RC used a substance known to improve performance in sports; Andre used a recreational drug that can only ruin ones performance in sport. Secondly, RC fessed up to only after being outed whereas Andre admitted to this without any prompting. Last edited by hifi heretic : 10-29-2009 at 02:06 PM.

10-29-2009, 02:01 PM	#6
ilovecarlos Professional Join Date: May 2006 Location: at the Bistro Posts: 1,199	I don't blame Martina. I honestly don't know what possible reason Agassi could have for coming out and admitting this. Sure makes the ATP look stupid. I never joined in all of the love and adoration for Agassi. I know he lied about lot's of things...mostly injuries when he lost in an early round. He was a pretty lousey example to young players. Yeah, he's done a lot of good since then, with his Academy, but it shows others that some people can get away with anything if they are the "fair haired" albeit "fairhairpieced wearing" athelete. __________________ What's between you and your pants is between you and your pants. Kumquat Penthouse, Mrs

10-29-2009, 02:05 PM	#10
TBobLP Rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 309	clemens used drugs to help his play...wtf does crystal meth do to help you play tennis?? run faster? i think nothing should be taken away from him, and comparing him to roger clemens is completely ridiculous. __________________ music and life are all about style - miles davis Babolat APDC, Ashaway Crossfire 56x58, Tournagrip Oversize

10-29-2009, 02:11 PM	#14
Docalex007 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London/Berlin Posts: 2,660	I agree with most people here... Agassi taking meth is hardly anything similar to Clemens taking steroids... I actually admire Agassi quite a lot more now knowing he just had to set the truth free... even when he didn't have to. __________________ I made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it short. - Blaise Pascal