Tired Of Thinking About A Split Step

[TheLama]

Originally Posted by smoothtennis

Not sure I agree with this advice. Sounds good on paper, but honestly, if she split-steps too soon BEFORE the opponent strikes the ball, her weight will already be planted again when the ball comes off the strings. A tiny hop is all that is needed here and when her weight hits the court, her feet should already know which direction they are going.

For sure. Earlier posts mentioned the same.

[Bungalo Bill]

Originally Posted by TennisCoachFLA

TheLama is 100% correct.

Jump rope for warm up? On what planet? I have seen even young boxers go through a warm up first, THEN jump rope. Just because some posters do it and don't see negative effects right away does not mean its good for them.

Anyway, you are not only correct but have the same opinion on jumping rope as they do at IMG, Macci's, Evert's, and Sanchez-Casal.

At those places jumping rope is used for various purposes....AFTER a player is totally warmed up using other means. If a poster wants to jump rope for their own personal warmup, oh well. But advising others when the experts don't is irresponsible.

Actually Lama isnt 100% correct. If he was, he would have sources and all 100% of the sources would agree.

Further, we aren't talking about hardcore jump roping, we are simply talking about a light skip over a rope to get the heart rate up.

This is conjunction with other warm-up activities as well such as dynamic stretching, etc...

So actually because you indicated no error in Lama's opinion (and that is all it is) you are wrong.

I know you are new to tennis but just in case you didn't know, a WARM-UP can be a mix of:

1. Dynamic stretching

2. Light jump roping

3. Stationary cycling

Further, a warm-up can take place for 10 minutes, 15 minutes or eve 30 minutes.

The point to a warm-up is you warm-up gradually and this will also be dictated by the current physical and health condition of the athlete.

Basic stuff.

Bottom-line the use of a jump rope in warm-up is perfectly fine. Athletes do not overdo it and use it simply to get their heart rate up and for other benefits. This is one tool out of many an athlete can use to warm-up.

[Bungalo Bill]

Originally Posted by TheLama

Whatever works for you. At 50-years old, you should know what works, what breaks down, and what is already broken. As I specifically stated, if it isn't broken....

But that is the point. People can warm-up with a jump rope if they can. It is not as hard on the body as you have implied. We are not talking about jump rope training. We are simply talking about using a jump rope during a persons warm-up.

But when I work with players, I only bring them to sit on the top of the precipice at very select events. Otherwise, the old, "better safe than sorry", is the rule that I follow, as junior's college admission and/or athletic scholarships are too life altering; collegiate tennis and its relationship to further careers are too important; and pro careers are just too short for me to be gambling with. My job is to help them win with the best that they can bring to the court, not what we are willing to gamble with at the table.

Well that is great. I am glad you are helping them win. You should be helping them win. That is your job.

However, when you waltz in here claiming the sky is falling for any athlete to not use a jump rope for warm-up which you can not prove nor have studies on it, you are blowing things out of proportion and is an unfounded opinion.

Many of us here have taught athletes and have been trained at tennis and coaching. And since jump rope is a common activity across a variety of sports, many of us can use our background and experience with the exercise to make an informed decision.

What you did not include in your opiniated is that it isn't a light jump rope that is the culprit to injury but poor technique and bad posture.

The same can be said about cycling. If you use poor technique, posture, and don't setup the bike up right, you increase the risk of injury.

The point to warm-up is you can gradually increase the exercises in a warm-up. There is nothing wrong with someone performing dynamic stretching and then some light jump rope for 2 -3 minutes. Absolutely nothing.

[TennisCoachFLA]

Originally Posted by Bungalo Bill

But that is the point. People can warm-up with a jump rope if they can. It is not as hard on the body as you have implied. We are not talking about jump rope training. We are simply talking about using a jump rope during a persons warm-up.



Well that is great. I am glad you are helping them win. You should be helping them win. That is your job.

However, when you waltz in here claiming the sky is falling for any athlete to not use a jump rope for warm-up which you can not prove nor have studies on it, you are blowing things out of proportion and is an unfounded opinion.

Many of us here have taught athletes and have been trained at tennis and coaching. And since jump rope is a common activity across a variety of sports, many of us can use our background and experience with the exercise to make an informed decision.

What you did not included in your hyopthesis is that it isn't a light jump rope that is the culprit to injury but poor technique and bad posture.

The same can be said about cycling. If you use poor technique, posture, and don't setup the bike right, this can put a lot of unnessary pressure on the knees.

Yawn, more finding a way to argue with anyone who disagrees. Jump rope all you want for warmups.

I will go with the opinion of the IMG program, the Saddlebrook program, the Macci program, the program from 17 NCAA titles coach Dick Gould, the Sanchez-Casal program.

Every one of those programs specifically instructs players to not use jumping rope as part of a warm up.

But whatever pal, bluster away if it gets you feeling happy. You have a few poor souls here who actually can not see through your nonsense. Go preach to that choir!

[Bungalo Bill]

Originally Posted by TennisCoachFLA

Yawn, more finding a way to argue with anyone who disagrees. Jump rope all you want for warmups.

I will go with the opinion of the IMG program, the Saddlebrook program, the Macci program, the program from 17 NCAA titles coach Dick Gould, the Sanchez-Casal program.

Hahahahahaham, opinion? Who gives a darn!!!! I could care less of your little name dropping garbage.

Answer the question or provide the proof. If you can't then I would suggest not posting.

You are in an area you have no idea about. All you do is post what others have told you. You can't think for yourself can you.

Every one of those programs specifically instructs players to not use jumping rope as part of a warm up.

But whatever pal, bluster away if it gets you feeling happy. You have a few poor souls here who actually can not see through your nonsense. Go preach to that choir!

Whatever man!!! You have nothing except for your little name dropping! SHOW THE PROOF!!!!!

This is like basic stuff!!! Here is a five minute warm-up!!! My gosh this is easy.

1. Dynamic stretching: 3- 4 minutes.

2. Light jump rope: 1 minute

Done.

[Bungalo Bill]

For those of you following this stuff on jump roping, it is utter nonsense to think you can not incorporate some jump rope in your warm-up.

We aren't talking about performing radical moves with the rope and leaping off the ground to turn the rope three times underneath you before landing. We are talking about performing summersaults in the air over your grandmother and landing on hard cement either

We are simply talking about using the jump rope to help increase blood flow and oxygen in your system. We are also talking about using a jump rope with dynamic stretching as well.

You always want to stretch the body and then use the jump rope for what I mentioned above. You should stretch no matter what and it should be a regular routine for your warm-up.

For those of you that want to incorporate a little jump rope in your wamr-up go ahead and do so.

Make sure you are skipping rope and not jumping rope. Feet should come off the ground no more than 1-2 inches.

I also do not recommend weighted ropes and that adds strain to the elbow and wrist area. Just get a good regular jump rope.

The key to preventing injury while using a jump rope is your posture while doing it. Again, we aren't talking about radical exercises performed with the jump rope.

It can be as light as turning the rope over back and forth without skipping over it and lightly coming off your heels. 'once you get your rythym and feel you are warmed-up you can then skip rope for 2 minutes or so and that is that.

Again, we aren't talking about starting cold and then jumping real high and fast right away.

We are simply talking about warm-up.

[TheLama]

Originally Posted by Bungalo Bill

But that is the point. People can warm-up with a jump rope if they can. It is not as hard on the body as you have implied. We are not talking about jump rope training. We are simply talking about using a jump rope during a persons warm-up.



Well that is great. I am glad you are helping them win. You should be helping them win. That is your job.

However, when you waltz in here claiming the sky is falling for any athlete to not use a jump rope for warm-up which you can not prove nor have studies on it, you are blowing things out of proportion and is an unfounded opinion.

Many of us here have taught athletes and have been trained at tennis and coaching. And since jump rope is a common activity across a variety of sports, many of us can use our background and experience with the exercise to make an informed decision.

What you did not include in your opiniated is that it isn't a light jump rope that is the culprit to injury but poor technique and bad posture.

The same can be said about cycling. If you use poor technique, posture, and don't setup the bike up right, you increase the risk of injury.

The point to warm-up is you can gradually increase the exercises in a warm-up. There is nothing wrong with someone performing dynamic stretching and then some light jump rope for 2 -3 minutes. Absolutely nothing.

I'm just not having my players warming-up with a jump rope for all of the reasons previously stated.

Regarding studies: the only ones I need are what my players and other players at that level have to say, which is not to jump rope without warming-up first, especially with the conditions that they bring to the table.

Personally, I don't believe that there is such a thing as light jumping rope, hence, my caution with my players to be better off safe than sorry. Money talks, and I'm not taking any risks in losing my player's money, nor my percentage thereof. I hope that makes sense to you.

[TennisCoachFLA]

Folks, this is a tennis forum. We talk about tennis warm ups. You guys should not keep listening to Bill who is WAY out of his area of expertise when compared to sports medicine experts who specialize in tennis players.

Why do most TENNIS experts advise against jumping rope until after you are totally warmed up? Why do some of them advise against jumping rope at all?

Accumulative effect. The best tennis players are always bouncing around and putting tons of stress on their knees. Most Americans play on hard courts. So these successful tennis programs want you to use other means as a warm up. Its simple, no use adding more wear and tear to the knees and ankles. Bad effects accumulate over time.

If we were high school wrestlers how much pounding from hard courts would our knees take? Non from our chosen sport. Thus our warm up would not add to the knee pounding. So perhaps wrestling experts would give different advice.

This is not rocket science. The sports medicine experts at major tennis programs have concluded a TENNIS player would be better off not using jumping rope as his or her warm up.

[crash1929]

as i was playing today this thread lingered in my mind like a bad cough. why are you tired of thinking about the split step? isn't it instinctive live snapping your fingers to the rhythm of a song?