Vortex Extreme Spin Rackets

[Murray Mound]

Originally Posted by mctennis

OK, I'll bite. I'd buy a used one to play around with. Maybe a ES 100 or ES 108. I want to "rip the cover off the ball" as they claim. I don't feel like spending $200 but would consider one at a lot less to play with for a few months.

They have a return policy. If you don't like it then just return it w/in 30 days no questions asked. How can you lose?

Call them up and talk to them . It's a tiny family business . I'm sure they will work with you ....Tom is just a regular guy....a usta national senior 4.5 player. Just call him up. He will even give you his cell phone number. He interioted his dinner once just to talk to me.

He just started this business and he is not set up like Wilson. His website doesn't even run correctly so give the guy a break....he is taking on huge corporations like Wilson amd Babolat. I always root for the small guy.

But the stick is seriously great....and you better hurry becaise my predictio
is that the big boys like Wilson will not let Tom get big.

[tailofdog]

Originally Posted by mctennis

JUST A SUGGESTION- Get someone here in the states to mail one to you. Send the person the money and they can ship it to you. Just a suggestion. It would be the same shipping costs roughly.

I found a seller that sends International. So it should work out

[Murray Mound]

Originally Posted by jbleiman

it is being strung at 50lbs with their recommended string...am somewhat worried about tennis elbow as the racquet is rated at 70 flex and it is being strung using poly...i have some problems with tennis elbow..so it is a concern

Almost forgot.....it's not a pure poly set up...it's a hybrid.

Tom olmstead the inventor is a USTA 4.5 senior player so he also likes a soft string bed

[joe sch]

Originally Posted by Murray Mound

Almost forgot.....it's not a pure poly set up...it's a hybrid.

Tom olmstead the inventor is a USTA 4.5 senior player so he also likes a soft string bed

I highly recommend a hex copoly. Its softer and has lots of bite. MSV makes such a string and it plays fantastic.


BTW, any international buyers wanting these rackets, I will offer to send them to your location for the advertised price plus the cost of the international shipping.

[Murray Mound]

Originally Posted by joe sch

I highly recommend a hex copoly. Its softer and has lots of bite. MSV makes such a string and it plays fantastic.


BTW, any international buyers wanting these rackets, I will offer to send them to your location for the advertised price plus the cost of the international shipping.

I will give it a shot.... what I like about blue gear especially in this particular frame is that it's imdestructable and it just seems to get better the more you use it.

But you seem to be a guru and I respect what you say. Which hex copoly should I try? The stick comes with a hybrid multi and poly.....what do you think about that?

[tailofdog]

Originally Posted by joe sch

I highly recommend a hex copoly. Its softer and has lots of bite. MSV makes such a string and it plays fantastic.


BTW, any international buyers wanting these rackets, I will offer to send them to your location for the advertised price plus the cost of the international shipping.

I sent you a message. I also took a look at YOUTUBE on VORTEX and only about 202 people have watched the Vortex video . The message is really not getting out their!

[000KFACTOR90000]

Originally Posted by joe sch

I highly recommend a hex copoly. Its softer and has lots of bite. MSV makes such a string and it plays fantastic.


BTW, any international buyers wanting these rackets, I will offer to send them to your location for the advertised price plus the cost of the international shipping.

Hi Joe, I saw both video advertisements but would love to see a detailed video review with a top player hitting some big groundies.

Just have a look at tennis warehouse video reviews and use them as a template.

I think a pure drive/head extreme/wilson fx etc etc clone with the vortex string pattern could be a huge seller !!

[Murray Mound]

I saw the conmerci as well....they never say what's so different about the Vortex than other racquets. Plus there website is virtually impossible to view .

These guys could use some marketing skills.

I also wish they made more of a players frame but I still cannot put this stick down. It has some faults but it's still the best racquet out there .

As far as a pro using it.....well Tom the owner of this famy business does not have that kind of financing; on the otherhand neither does Volkl or Pro Kennex but they are still great racquets.

A pro playing with a paintjob is just all about money. Personally I don't believe for example that Nadal or Federer changed to the newer version o their sticks.....in fact Nadal does not even use cortex at all.

[joe sch]

Originally Posted by Murray Mound

I saw the conmerci as well....they never say what's so different about the Vortex than other racquets. Plus there website is virtually impossible to view .

These guys could use some marketing skills.

I also wish they made more of a players frame but I still cannot put this stick down. It has some faults but it's still the best racquet out there .

As far as a pro using it.....well Tom the owner of this famy business does not have that kind of financing; on the otherhand neither does Volkl or Pro Kennex but they are still great racquets.

A pro playing with a paintjob is just all about money. Personally I don't believe for example that Nadal or Federer changed to the newer version o their sticks.....in fact Nadal does not even use cortex at all.

I believe Vortex uses a hex copoly as the default string. The rackets I got had this same string. I have found it very similar to the MSV hex string which is a copoly and I purchased a reel to retring these rackets when I snap the strings.

Joe

[Murray Mound]

Originally Posted by joe sch

I believe Vortex uses a hex copoly as the default string. The rackets I got had this same string. I have found it very similar to the MSV hex string which is a copoly and I purchased a reel to retring these rackets when I snap the strings.

Joe

So have you switched to the Vortex?

[joe sch]

I play many different rackets but when I want the best chance of winning a match, I will used the Vortex rackets since I can generate soo much topspin for power and control from the baseline. They are also great for doubles.

[tlm]

I received my vortex es 100 today. They cut it down by a half inch to make it regular 27 inch length.Which i was surprised the guy i talked to told me he would cut it down even though i told him i was really just demoing this stick.

He claimed that many people prefer the standard length.Also if i didnt buy the racket that they just give it to one of their coaches.

I told him that i wanted it strung up for control, i really wanted a multi in it.But he talked me into using his mega spin string. I really dont like polys anymore+probably it will sound odd but many polys are to powerful to me.

He suggested to have it strung at 65 lbs for better control.Today i was able to play with it a couple of games after my match, so that was not much of a test. It felt pretty good but it was to powerful for me with that string set up.

I use western grip+really rely on topsin+slice backhand, so my game is built around spin.This racket definitely has spin.Just like others stated it seemed really good for return of serve.

It also seemed to be a real good slice racket, my slices were really nasty.
I cut that string out+restrung it at 70lbs. with head fxp 16 gauge,that should tone it down.Remember that the guy i talked to told me that tension is really 10lbs. lower on this racket than it is with a standard racket.

The specs were pretty close, it weighed 11.1 ounce strung with tourna grip on.It was 6 points headlight+the beam was 26 mm.I did not like the length of the handle, it is way to long.Also it does not have much taper at the bottom.But those two things are easy to fix.

I will hit with it tomorrow+hopefully it has much better control.I will give my review after playing with it for an extended period of time.

[Murray Mound]

Originally Posted by joe sch

I play many different rackets but when I want the best chance of winning a match, I will used the Vortex rackets since I can generate soo much topspin for power and control from the baseline. They are also great for doubles.

I think that they are unbeatble In doubles. Thanks for your input.....coming from a guy like you it's really a great validation of this stick.

[Murray Mound]

Originally Posted by tlm

I received my vortex es 100 today. They cut it down by a half inch to make it regular 27 inch length.Which i was surprised the guy i talked to told me he would cut it down even though i told him i was really just demoing this stick.

He claimed that many people prefer the standard length.Also if i didnt buy the racket that they just give it to one of their coaches.

I told him that i wanted it strung up for control, i really wanted a multi in it.But he talked me into using his mega spin string. I really dont like polys anymore+probably it will sound odd but many polys are to powerful to me.

He suggested to have it strung at 65 lbs for better control.Today i was able to play with it a couple of games after my match, so that was not much of a test. It felt pretty good but it was to powerful for me with that string set up.


I use western grip+really rely on topsin+slice backhand, so my game is built around spin.This racket definitely has spin.Just like others stated it seemed really good for return of serve.


It also seemed to be a real good slice racket, my slices were really nasty.
I cut that string out+restrung it at 70lbs. with head fxp 16 gauge,that should tone it down.Remember that the guy i talked to told me that tension is really 10lbs. lower on this racket than it is with a standard racket.

The specs were pretty close, it weighed 11.1 ounce strung with tourna grip on.It was 6 points headlight+the beam was 26 mm.I did not like the length of the handle, it is way to long.Also it does not have much taper at the bottom.But those two things are easy to fix.

I will hit with it tomorrow+hopefully it has much better control.I will give my
review after playing with it for an extended period of time.

Clearly the racquet is not for everyone; however I think you have given the racquet an injustice.

You can't make something as radical as this stick conservative. In otherwords cutting it down amd using your normal string job just turns this into a run of the mill racquet. To give it a fair try you need to have an open mind amd free yourself from conservatism.....just hit with it as is....maybe tighten up the strings a bit....but that's it. Cutting the length dramtaocally changes this stick amd throws eberything out of whack .

Wade .....Toms son is a division 1 player amd he uses the 108 . He tightens his up to 58. He plays doubles ....with a former wimbledon wta player and she also uses the 108.

I hope you like it ; however it's not for everyone . The stick really shines in doubles or when you are really pushed for a shot that normally you can't get to. The low tension at the top of the racquet sends balls back over the net that normally don't make it over.

Good luck .....I am anxiously awaiting your review! By the way are you the Tim associated with the power grip? Because I think that's a cool invention. I use that as well.

[Murray Mound]

Originally Posted by joe sch

I believe Vortex uses a hex copoly as the default string. The rackets I got had this same string. I have found it very similar to the MSV hex string which is a copoly and I purchased a reel to retring these rackets when I snap the strings.

Joe

Did you know that you can actually buy the vortex string? Unless you are trying to sorta say that vortex simply uses msv hex and just calls it vortex?

[000KFACTOR90000]

Originally Posted by Murray Mound

As far as a pro using it......

Sorry I just meant a really good player who would be willing to do a video review (maybe the owner qualifies?).

[Murray Mound]

Originally Posted by 000KFACTOR90000

Sorry I just meant a really good player who would be willing to do a video review (maybe the owner qualifies?).

No I'm sorry I didn't mean to sound rude. I apologize.

[tlm]

Dear murray mound, you are saying that by cutting it down from 27 1/2 to 27 is a radical change.Tom is the one that suggested this saying that many other players preferred this length.But you claim this throws everything out of whack.

What is my normal string job? When i change rackets i try many different strings+tensions until i make it play the best for me.

I have a lot of experience with many strings+rackets.Look i play tennis almost everyday, i have been through the poly craze. I really dont like poly anymore+ it will end up hurting many players. Strings are what makes the racket, using that run of the mill poly that came with it means nothing.

You cant honestly think that you have to use the string that they suggest to see how the racket really plays. Believe me i will use this racket with different strings+tensions to really see how it plays.

It really doesnt matter to me who uses it+ how good they are + what size racket+ tension they use. That means squat to me, the only thing that matters is how it plays for my game.

I am anything but conservative, my game is about using extreme spin. That is why i purchased this racket. But i am a singles player that wants control, my game is 90% baseline bashing.

The way this racket came was way to powerful the way it was set up.I can tell right away by the trajectory of the ball flight if it is to powerful.I take big cuts at the ball, i do not like playing with granny sticks.

Believe me i will give it a good test to see if it will play good with this style of play.By the way i am not associated with power grip.

[Murray Mound]

Tim,

no offense. I don't think you should use the string it came with or the tension. I actually string at 60 and use blue gear.

And if that's hat Tom suggested then who am I to say anything .

Having said all that, I personally do not think the racquet as it stands now is made for 5.0 or better players. I understand why you think it's to powerful for you and you make a very valid point about the stick being to powerful.


I think the stick , even the 100 was made for the club player in mind . A 26 mm frame is just way to thick.

Hopefully this company will become more popular and male a real players stick. For now we have to settle for the 100.

At your level of play I actually think that the stick will probably be the wrong choice for you. It's also probably the wrong stick for a junior learning the game as well.

But for a recreational club player....or a 4.0- 4.5 this is an awesome stick amd will really make tennis easier .

Again, I am hoping one day they come out with the specs of a Kblade.

Good luck and I am anxiously awaiting your review.

[tlm]

No problem murray mound, but remember that there are 26 mm width beams that play with plenty of control.I am using one right now the wilson kobra team 100 sq.inch head size with 26mm beam+it has great control.

The vortex is really close to identical specs with the kobra that i am playing other than the open string pattern.By the way i am only a 4.0 player myself, but i have found that their is a wide variance in the ranking system depending on were you live.

I am getting ready to go play this afternoon+i will let you know how it goes.