Where did this "Nadal has OCD" thing come from?

[mandy01]

Originally Posted by Ledigs

Stepping over cracks does indicate OCD

Did it occur to you that this was one occasion ( and I highly doubt Nadal was serious about it) ?

[NamRanger]

Originally Posted by Ledigs

Stepping over cracks does indicate OCD

LOL. Nadal didn't skip Wimbledon; he was on a doping suspension.



BTW, he is not OCD because he does not fit the criteria.


http://www.biologicalunhappiness.com/DSM-OCD.htm

[TheMusicLover]

Originally Posted by mandy01

Did it occur to you that this was one occasion ( and I highly doubt Nadal was serious about it) ?

Nadal jokes around a lot, but it often seems to go unnoticed because of his wonky English. It's funny to see some folks take anything he says as the Holy Gospel.
He's never ever said he has OCD himself - he's said that some of his quircks are just a bad habit he picked up from his youth. Don't know if that included the time wasting on court as well.

[Azzurri]

Originally Posted by mandy01

You're absolutely correct.I havent bothered arguing with people who claim Nadal has OCD but having studied a bit of psychology I can tell you that your description is correct and not surprising seeing that you had it.
OCD dosent show up only in a match situation.It can be at any point during the day .
Personally ,I just think Nadal's time-wasting is gamesmanship and certainly an effective one.Its all about getting the psychological edge and he gets it.

its a superstition. have you ever watched Nomar Garciaparra play baseball? he would tap that glove like 10 times before each pitch. Lots of baseball players have these "idiosyncrasies". Its been part of sports for years. But I agree, Nadal seems to be the one player that has this "issue" more so than any other pro.

[Azzurri]

Originally Posted by NamRanger

Do you know how distracting and how detrimental OCD really is to your health? The behavior Nadal exhibits is superstition; not OCD.






"Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder defined combinations of such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions). The symptoms of this anxiety disorder range from repetitive hand-washing and extensive hoarding to preoccupation with sexual, religious, or aggressive impulses. These symptoms can be alienating and time-consuming, and often cause severe emotional and economic loss. Although the acts of those who have OCD may appear paranoid and come across to others as psychotic, OCD sufferers often recognize their thoughts and subsequent actions as irrational, and they may become further distressed by this realization."





Let me repeat to you; when Nadal receives a time violation warning HE STOPS HIS RITUALS OF TIME WASTING AT WILL. A person with OCD would simply be INCAPABLE of doing such a thing.

yep. not OCD. its part of sports. the more time a player has to "waste" the greater the superstition. certain sports like baseball, basketball, tennis allow a player to have them (like a basketball player and the free throw line).

[mandy01]

Originally Posted by Azzurri

its a superstition. have you ever watched Nomar Garciaparra play baseball? he would tap that glove like 10 times before each pitch. Lots of baseball players have these "idiosyncrasies". Its been part of sports for years. But I agree, Nadal seems to be the one player that has this "issue" more so than any other pro.

I'm not talking about the linning up of bottles or individual ticks that may be called superstitions.Whether you have superstitions or not you're supposed to play within the rules.
Nadal can have as many superstitions as he likes,for all I care,as long he dosent take up a good amount of time.

[Azzurri]

Originally Posted by mandy01

I'm not talking about the linning up of bottles or individual ticks that may be called superstitions.Whether you have superstitions or not you're supposed to play within the rules.
Nadal can have as many superstitions as he likes,for all I care,as long he dosent take up a good amount of time.

i agree. he does waste way too much time. I wish they would just start taking points/games off the guy. but the officials don't have the balls.

as for my example, maybe you never saw Nomar play...its a waste of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-a15s4s3_I

[mandy01]

^^you're right.I havent seen him play.Where I live,its not even played or covered that much.
Thanks for the link,anyway

[TMF]

Whether if Rafa has OCD or not, the players still have the right to dictate the pace of the game when they serve. Rafa has to go by the rules just like everyone when serving. Just b/c he claimed to have problems doesn't mean he's exempt from the rules and the players have to pay the price.

[mandy01]

Originally Posted by TMF

Whether if Rafa has OCD or not, the players still have the right to dictate the pace of the game when they serve. Rafa has to go by the rules just like everyone when serving. Just b/c he claimed to have problems doesn't mean he's exempt from the rules and the players have to pay the price.

if he really has OCD then his problem is understandable to SOME extent.I dont think he has it.

[chanee]

Originally Posted by TMF

Whether if Rafa has OCD or not, the players still have the right to dictate the pace of the game when they serve. Rafa has to go by the rules just like everyone when serving. Just b/c he claimed to have problems doesn't mean he's exempt from the rules and the players have to pay the price.

Had any English lessons lately? You know, since it's your second language...

I would say Nadal does have OCD. I mean, look what he does with his water bottles. It's kinda creepy though that Verdasco does the same thing.

[Azzurri]

Originally Posted by mandy01

^^you're right.I havent seen him play.Where I live,its not even played or covered that much.
Thanks for the link,anyway

he is the Nadal of time wasting in MLB.

[Azzurri]

Originally Posted by chanee

Had any English lessons lately? You know, since it's your second language...

I would say Nadal does have OCD. I mean, look what he does with his water bottles. It's kinda creepy though that Verdasco does the same thing.

is it really his 2nd language? i doubt it. or maybe he picked up english when he began watching tennis, 6 months ago.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by chanee

Had any English lessons lately? You know, since it's your second language...

I would say Nadal does have OCD. I mean, look what he does with his water bottles. It's kinda creepy though that Verdasco does the same thing.

Not everyone believe you, so their english is their 2ndary language too?

Like I said, every players have to obey the rule including rafa. I don't care if he has a problem, the players has their own right to the game. There's no special treatment...not for anyone. It is rediculous for the entire field to suffer just b/c of rafa. He's not bigger than the sport!!!!!!!!!

[TMF]

Originally Posted by Azzurri

is it really his 2nd language? i doubt it. or maybe he picked up english when he began watching tennis, 6 months ago.

LOL...for someone who claimed losing in the 3rd round at the slam is much WORSE than in the final know so much about the game.

[chanee]

Originally Posted by TMF

Not everyone believe you, so their english is their 2ndary language too?

Like I said, every players have to obey the rule including rafa. I don't care if he has a problem, the players has their own right to the game. There's no special treatment...not for anyone. It is rediculous for the entire field to suffer just b/c of rafa. He's not bigger than the sport!!!!!!!!!

What a surprise, now plenty of errors appear in this post.

Why did you lie about that? English is obviously your first language.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by chanee

What a surprise, now plenty of errors appear in this post.

Why did you lie about that? English is obviously your first language.

Nothing to dispute what I've said then that means you agree with me about Rafa needs to follow the rules on court regardless of what you guys think about his OCD. Okay, let's move on now.

[Cyan]

I think people with OCD have a difficult time breaking up their habits. Like Monk. LOL.

[TheFifthSet]

Originally Posted by namelessone

This OCD thing started way back in 05',not now,and it wasn't started by Nadal fans,but by outside observers. But let's not go overboard,Nadal has a mild case of OCD,it would be seriously delusional to say it's anything bad,it would be disrespectful to those whose life is really affected by this condition.

It's one thing to be superstitious,almost all athletes have some superstition,like stepping with the right foot when you enter the field and so on but I've never seen anything like Nadal on a tennis court. Nadal's OCD manifests itself in the form of some rituals and ticks(compulsory behaviour) aimed to reduce anxiety(in a official match,he doesn't really do it in practice where he is more relaxed) and while he can control their speed,he still feels like he needs to do them,which qualifies as OCD,because he doesn't need to do them(and some of them are really embarrassing and give him no benefits-like buttpicking and water bottle arrangement).

Nadal's OCD has become a problem because these little rituals amount(there were fewer of them in 04' for example and he served faster,whereas 09' Nadal is the slowest I have ever seen) and so he takes more and more time because of the sheer amount which have added up(go get towel,towel off,go to the baseline,pick underwear,bounce ball,arrange hair,look up,bounce ball again,start serve motion). The only habit that Nadal lost was sock arrangement. One in 5 years on the big stage.

If this is all just a sham conjured up by Nadal,why choose buttpicking? It certainly isn't flattering. I can't seriously think that Nadal chooses to embarass himself with water bottle arrangement and buttpicking just to gain a few more seconds? When asked about this "habits" a couple of months ago he said he is trying to stop but that it is hard for him. This alone should point out the fact that it is a mild form of OCD,not just superstitions.

I'm sure it started out as superstitions but by now it is OCD,at least where I am concerned. Nadal played a brilliant point against seppi this clay season but celebrated shortly because he saw that his bottles fell down. He immediately put them back up and arranged them accordingly. Nadal was leading sod 6-1,5-0 in Rome but his first worry on the changeover wasn't to check out his racket or whatever but to re-arrange his bottles because he had just changed court. Did he really need luck to win one more game? By now it is compulsory behaviour for him. Not to mention the fact that he got mad when someone screwed with his bottles,not really normal behaviour if you ask me.

I seriously wonder how Nadal would play a match if they didn't allow him to pick his butt or arrange his water bottles.

BTW,this is just my opinion after watching Nadal since 04',it is not medical fact or anything so please don't flame me on that. And again,this OCD speculation didn't start from the Nadal fans camp,remember that.

Well firstly I have no intention to bash you, I think you're one of the fairer Nadal fans. But he quite obviously doesn't have it no matter how hard you try to spin it. I had what I would call a "mild" case, and that in itself could be pretty consuming. I was a washer (that was my most consuming compulsion, obsessive hand-washing), and I would open doors with my elbows, had to skip a step while going up the stairs. If I got a glass of water, I would have to pour, empty, and re-pour the glass exactly 8 times before drinking it, had to lock and unlock my home 8 times before leaving. Everything was done in 8's for some reason. My most annoying compulsion was when there were times when I had to have any question, or anything on my mind answered. My mind would not be at ease until every question or mystery in my mind was answered. Even incoherent questions. I didn't expect or even want a comprehensive or even helpful answer, I just needed to air it all out. After a while, the person I was asking these questions to would get annoyed, and invariably their response would be STFU, or something to that nature, and yet I would still keep asking. It actually sounds worse than it was the way I am describing it, I could control it if I absolutely must (ie, if I was at work, etc), plus it was treated fairly easily and I am mostly symptom-free today.
If Nadal had OCD, his medical team would know, and they would want to treat it. Remember, these are some of the most competitive athletes in the world, who go to obscene lengths to find even the slightest advantage, or to cover up any physical/mental weakness. This applies ten-fold to Nadal, who has undeniably been trained with great care and precision.
Also, OCD doesn't just flare up (like it supposedly does with Nadal on important points). It's with you all the time, and you can usually only control it if you have to or would be an absolute fool not to. What Nadal has is not OCD, he usually stops his rituals for a period of time after being warned, and it's not like he somehow starts playing like a brick as a result. I would say his superstitions are the result of nervousness. They are not a constant thing, as OCD usually is. It's like when you bite your nails when you are anxious, or tap your feet when public speaking.
I know it sounds hypocritcal that I seemingly lambast Nadal for time-wasting when my favorite player is Djokovic, but again it's not really the time wasting that has bothered me that much. It just rubbed me the wrong way that some of his fans side-stepped the issue and blamed it on a very real and in many cases debilitating disease that should not be trivialized.

[TheFifthSet]

Originally Posted by NamRanger

This topic was created to tell people this :


1. Very likely Nadal does not have OCD because he does not exhibit OCD behavior OFF the court.


2. Nadal has NEVER been diagnosed with OCD before


3. OCD is a very distracting and debilitating disorder; even a minor form can annoy and distract a person GREATLY. Nadal seems fine off the court and on the court when he is given a time violation.


4. Therefore, stop using OCD as an excuse for rule breaking, as other people who actually have OCD would be greatly offended.



Basically the gist of it is this "Nadal doesn't have OCD, therefore don't use it as an excuse for Nadal to waste time and break rules." So yes, what I said does have something to do with the topic.

You summed up my post perfectly, thank you.