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[cc0509]

Clarky21;7048829]Absolutely it is. To think that Vernonbc compares his experiences at a very low level, and not at the highest level with millions upon millions of dollars at stake, just proves how far the denial has gone with him. These people have a whole lot more to gain than the amateurs he is talking about.

His, him? Vernonbc is a woman, I am pretty certain of that.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by cc0509

His, him? Vernonbc is a woman, I am pretty certain of that.

Oh, I know, but he refuses to address me as a she so I will do the same to him. Lol.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by jjaded

To jump in the doping fray: the only way to catch steroid or hgh use is through extensive out of competition testing. Athletes take these drugs in training to build muscle, not during competition.

The ATP only tests players when the leave a tournament (i.e. lose or win the whole thing). Many drugs such as low doses of EPO are only detectible for 24-48 hours. This means that any of the top competitors can dope without fear in the early rounds of the Majors to be fresher later (unless you lose to a low ranked player in the second round, hence the rumors that Nadal got caught doping and his knee injury was to cover the secret suspension—since adverse doping findings are kept secret until a player is determined to have doped).

If the ATP was serious about combating doping they would institute a biological passport and continually monitor the top 150 year round. Not that the biological passport system is perfect, but it vastly limits the amount of doping.

Additionally, what is with all these asthmatic super athletes like Serena Williams that must use an inhaler every time they change sides?

I read they only test the loser, and not the winner. Have they changed this recently?

[jjaded]

I saw the testing the winner here, at least for the 2009 Majors:http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...ualifying.html
Outside the slams I think they test even less. Also, the ATP never tests for HGH (just like football). When I see athletes that have significantly more lean muscle than their competitors I always think steriods/HGH/etc.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

I don't think it's weak at all. It proves that they will cover up for players if necessary. What makes you think they won't do it again, or haven't done it again since then? I believe they most likely have covered up for other players after Andre. The fact that they did it once is enough to prove their dishonesty.

About this, I think that it was a recreational drug has to be taken into account.
Also, Agassi himself wasn't in any sure they'd cover up for him and he lied to them.
And if they would cover up for some players and not for others, then wouldn't the players who have been banned bring this up?.

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Well, if they really want to catch dopers they have a very funny way of showing it since their anti-doping system has been lacking badly for years, and is extremely underfunded.

Last I heard it's 3 they could miss,and even if they changed it to 2 that is far from reasonable considering the lack of OOC testing as it is. For example, Serena Williams went 2 whole years without being tested OOC. Two years is ridiculous, and if she's allowed to miss an entire year's worth of OOC testing if she so chooses, she would go 3 straight years without being tested OOC. That is scary, and does not cut it at all. It also makes me wonder how many other players are going that long without being tested at all considering how little OOC they conduct.

But it's not good enough to catch anyone because they're not testing the way they should be if they really wanted to catch them. Last I heard they still don't test for HGH, and even if they did they would do it so rarely it wouldn't matter anyway. The system is so beatable as-is that it is hardly a deterrent. Player's know they won't be tested so why not go ahead and dope till their heart's content? They won't be caught anyway.


They do need more random testing, but as I already said, they do not test nearly enough OOC so how can it be random? Mix that in with the fact they can miss so many OOC tests and there is no randomness to the testing at all.


Positive. They only test the losers, and not the winners.

IC just means in competition.

Apparently not Nadal, since he apparently just underwent two in a week.

I do find it incredible Serena could go two years without any OOC tests. I see your point about the mix of (relatively) few OOC tests and the possibility of missing them, but I do think they have to be allowed to miss some. Is it 1 or 2 years ban if you miss more than two?, it can well happen through a year that you will be somewhere else than you had said. I think they give you two hours to get there if you're not when the testers go. Maybe that window should be longer (some 20 hours) if you're going to be allowed to miss less or none.

Anyway, you actually make good points instead of just saying "testing is weak because I say so"

I still don't think it proves everyone is doping.

[Crisstti]

I'm curious about what you guys think about his objection here (longer version of the part of that radio interview where he talks about the doping controls), because to me it seems to make sense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVj1OVnLRYs

[...] to lift up your shirt, pull down your pants and take a 360º turnaround, well, what do you want me to say, I’m not thrilled by it. And if you see already that you’re going to pee without anything in your hands, without anything, well, that they make you pull down your pants and take off your shirt, or lift up your shirt and take a 360º turnaround, well, I’m not thrill… to me at least, it’s uncomfortable. What do you want me to say. (Journalist: it seems as if they’re ridiculing you) Exactly, at least to me it seems ridiculous”.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

I'm curious about what you guys think about his objection here (longer version of the part of that radio interview where he talks about the doping controls), because to me it seems to make sense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVj1OVnLRYs

[...] to lift up your shirt, pull down your pants and take a 360º turnaround, well, what do you want me to say, I’m not thrilled by it. And if you see already that you’re going to pee without anything in your hands, without anything, well, that they make you pull down your pants and take off your shirt, or lift up your shirt and take a 360º turnaround, well, I’m not thrill… to me at least, it’s uncomfortable. What do you want me to say. (Journalist: it seems as if they’re ridiculing you) Exactly, at least to me it seems ridiculous”.

There is no better way to do it. He didn't make any suggestions as to what they could do differently, so just exactly what does he want?

I know that I HATE Nadal complaining about anti-doping the way he does. It has to be done, and as it is now is pathetic and is designed not to catch anyone. If it got any weaker there would be no testing at all. His whining about it incessantly only makes him look guilty.

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by jjaded

I saw the testing the winner here, at least for the 2009 Majors:http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...ualifying.html
Outside the slams I think they test even less. Also, the ATP never tests for HGH (just like football). When I see athletes that have significantly more lean muscle than their competitors I always think steriods/HGH/etc.

You're thinking of Nadal, right? You know some people are naturally lean like that?

[Rocky89]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

There is no better way to do it. He didn't make any suggestions as to what they could do differently, so just exactly what does he want?

I know that I HATE Nadal complaining about anti-doping the way he does. It has to be done, and as it is now is pathetic and is designed not to catch anyone. If it got any weaker there would be no testing at all. His whining about it incessantly only makes him look guilty.

He has never said he is against testing for doping, in fact during that same interview he said he is all for it, he just doesn't particularly like the process. Big difference. How exactly does that make him look guilty?

Nadal has always had a strong opinion on many topics, who cares? Why can't he say what he thinks? Having an opinion doesn't necessarily mean you are whining.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

There is no better way to do it. He didn't make any suggestions as to what they could do differently, so just exactly what does he want?

I know that I HATE Nadal complaining about anti-doping the way he does. It has to be done, and as it is now is pathetic and is designed not to catch anyone. If it got any weaker there would be no testing at all. His whining about it incessantly only makes him look guilty.

That was really not my question. Couldn't the testers see if you have a vial or something in you when they see you pee?, what is the need for the rest then?.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Rocky89

He has never said he is against testing for doping, in fact during that same interview he said he is all for it, he just doesn't particularly like the process. Big difference. How exactly does that make him look guilty?

Nadal has always had a strong opinion on many topics, who cares? Why can't he say what he thinks? Having an opinion doesn't necessarily mean you are whining.

Then what should they do differently? He makes no suggestions and instead just whines about it(again).


And it does make him look guilty when he whines about OOC testing. OOC testing is an absolute must, and as it is tennis doesn't do anywhere near enough of it. If he is serious about anti-doping then he needs to accept that OOC testing is necessary as is the testing itself. Moaning about it all the time accomplishes nothing but casting suspicion on yourself.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

That was really not my question. Couldn't the testers see if you have a vial or something in you when they see you pee?, what is the need for the rest then?.

The reason they have these people lift their shirt and take off their pants is so they can see if that person is hiding anything. How else can they see if someone has a false bladder on them, or anything else that people have used over the years to cheat the drug tests? It's common sense why they have to have the player do the testing in front of them.


And if testing is really as stringent as Nadal tries to make it out to be, he should be used to this after all of these years should't he?

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

The reason they have these people lift their shirt and take off their pants is so they can see if that person is hiding anything. How else can they see if someone has a false bladder on them, or anything else that people have used over the years to cheat the drug tests? It's common sense why they have to have the player do the testing in front of them.


And if testing is really as stringent as Nadal tries to make it out to be, he should be used to this after all of these years should't he?

But what Nadal is saying is that by having the player do the testing in front of them, they should be able to see if you have a false bladder on you. How could they not spot a false bladder when they're watching the player pee?. He's not saying the testing shouldn't be done in front of them. He's saying the previous part seems unnecessary.

Rafa has been accused of doping by certain people since long ago, so I guess he figures his complaining wouldn't make a difference, lol.

Plus he just doesn't seem to be much of keeping his opinions to himself if he feels strongly about something.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

But what Nadal's is saying that by having the player do the testing in front of them, they should be able to see if you have a false bladder on you?. How could they not spot a false bladder when they're watching the player pee?.

I don't get what you're saying. He was complaining about having to lift his shirt, drop his pants, and do a complete 360 in front of the WADA agent. I was saying that they have to do that to make sure someone doesn't have anything on them. They also have to watch the person give the sample because letting player's run off to the bathroom alone is just asking them to cheat. They have no choice but to watch. There is no other way.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

I don't get what you're saying. He was complaining about having to lift his shirt, drop his pants, and do a complete 360 in front of the WADA agent. I was saying that they have to do that to make sure someone doesn't have anything on them. They also have to watch the person give the sample because letting player's run off to the bathroom alone is just asking them to cheat. They have no choice but to watch. There is no other way.

He's not complaining about the WADA agent watching. He saying that by watching the player give the sample they should already be able to see if he has anything on him, making the 360º thing unnecessary.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

He's not complaining about the WADA agent watching. He saying that by watching the player give the sample they should already be able to see if he has anything on him, making the 360º thing unnecessary.

After all that he is most concerned about having to do a 360? Lol. Nadal is just being a crybaby about this if that's his problem.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

After all that he is most concerned about having to do a 360? Lol. Nadal is just being a crybaby about this if that's his problem.

But you're not saying if you agree with him that it's unnecessary .

He finds it demeaning, and I have to say I agree with him, particularly if it's not necessary like it appears to be the case.

I guess people just feel differently about this kind of things and it bothers him more than it would you maybe.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

But you're not saying if you agree with him that it's unnecessary .

He finds it demeaning, and I have to say I agree with him, particularly if it's not necessary like it appears to be the case.

I guess people just feel differently about this kind of things and it bothers him more than it would you maybe.

I DO think it's necessary. They do it to make sure the person isn't hiding anything in back of them. How else are they supposed to check them? It won't kill him to do a quick 360 during anti-doping. He needs to get over it.


And besides, we have all seen his *** before since he decided it was a smart move to strip down naked and change his shorts on a boat out in the open. He needs to stop the bellyaching and grow up.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

I DO think it's necessary. They do it to make sure the person isn't hiding anything in back of them. How else are they supposed to check them? It won't kill him to do a quick 360 during anti-doping. He needs to get over it.


And besides, we have all seen his *** before since he decided it was a smart move to strip down naked and change his shorts on a boat out in the open. He needs to stop the bellyaching and grow up.

Why does it matter if he is if he cannot use it because they have to give the sample in front of the WADA agent?. They check it by watching the player give the sample, how could they miss it?.

Lol, I guess he underestimated the zoom in the "journalists'" cameras.

[feetofclay]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

He's not complaining about the WADA agent watching. He saying that by watching the player give the sample they should already be able to see if he has anything on him, making the 360º thing unnecessary.

He isn't even really complaining. He says he doesn't like that part of the procedure and imo he has every right to say that. He does not lose the right to express a personal opinion just because he is an athlete who is subject to doping controls.

Originally Posted by Clarky21

if that bothers him he should thank his lucky stars that he's not a woman because I doubt he could hack going to the gynocologist if this bothers him so much.

[QUOTE ] Clarky21;
And if testing is really as stringent as Nadal tries to make it out to be, he should be used to this after all of these years should't he?

As you know visits to the gynaecologist don't become more tolerable through frequency of visits. In fact I would say the opposite is true, you come to dread it. The same could be said of the procedure used in the doping control, and again imo what makes it more odious is that it takes place in your own home, or hotel room, your own space is invaded. A visit to the gynaecologist is pre-arranged, you psyche yourself up for it and it takes place in the neutral place of a Dr's office or clinic.