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Well, that's true. I don't like those things either, but Nadal's constant whining about the drug testing just pushes my buttons. And the fact that he is being a big baby over one single 360 turn so they can make sure he's not hiding anything makes me embarrassed to be a fan of his.  And I honestly think Nadal has a few screws loose. Either that or he just isn't that bright if he cannot understand the reason they make them turn around during the drug testing. Like I said before; Nadal is better seen and not heard for reasons that need no explanation.
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I don't even think it makes him look guilty at all. If doping without being detected is so easy, testing and all, I see no reason for dopers to complain. We're talking of an invasive procedure, and rather debatable legally as well, hehas every right to have a problem with it and I'm sure he's not the only one either. That you think you have to undergo a more invasive procedure doesn't really matter. What you're talking about is after all a medial examination, which you decide when and where takes place and which you're not obliged to have anyway. But that is not his point of comparison anyway. Quote:
BTW, bullfighting is not something I dislike about him because he doesn't participate in it at all (but if he did, it would indeed bother me more than if he were doping).
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Here is Rafa's whole interview, translated properly by Vamos Brigade.
Saturday, Dec. 8, 2012 06:50 RICARD CABOT Q: "What has been on the increase, uncertainty or hope?“ A: "Hope. In the last month and a half the progress has been quite good. I am very pleased.“ Q: "Your plans are the same, coming back at Abu Dhabi and later on going to Australia.“ A: "That’s the schedule, but let’s not deceive ourselves, it’s five months since I was last competing or practicing at a high level. If I’m able to practice at a high level in the remaining weeks I will be able to go to Doha with the ambition to compete and play, without expecting any result at all.“ Q: "And to think about winning in Australia is an illusion at the moment.“ A: "It's very difficult to get a good result from the start. I hope to be in my best condition by the end of February or at the beginning of March, well prepared physically, tennis-wise and mentally.“ Q: "What has been the worst, being laid off for these six months?“ A: "Main thing, not being able to play fit at Wimbledon, and then when I had to give up the Olympics. And later on, the uncertainty of not knowing when the knee would start to get well. The doctors said it was not a very complicated injury, but the fact is that the knee was not well. The first three months, without seeing any progress and going to the gym without getting results, that was tough.“ Q: "Did you get discouraged?“ A: "I am quite a positive person, and I had my team and my family to help me in these difficult moments. I was fortunate to be with my folks.“ Q: "For the first time in a decade you have spent half a year at home. Have you felt strange, having discovered forgotten pleasures?“ A: "I am quite a family man, and when a tournament ends, if I can, the first thing I do is going back to Mallorca. Nothing has changed.“ Q: "Have you noticed any pressure to return on tour?“ A: "No, on the contrary, I’m grateful to the sponsors who have understood the situation and have not raised any objections. They have supported me at all times. Maybe this lay-off allows me to lengthen my career a little more.“ Q: "These are different injuries, but Del Potro had struggled a lot returning to what he was. Are you afraid the same might happen to you?“ A: "What has to happen, will happen. It’s the beauty of life in general, it’s a challenge for me. I know it will be difficult to be winning again all that I have obtained in recent years. I will put in all the necessary work, always thinking positively.“ Q: "An injury of this type should be useful when assessing everything in its right perspective and relativizing the fact of being number one or not.“ A: "Being number one is not a priority at all. Either you are or you are not. It depends on winning many matches and being spared of injuries. I spent eight years in a row in the world top two. Logically I prefer to be number two rather than number four, but what makes me happy is having a chance to win a tournament, getting on court and competing with chances, being competitive, in control of the situation. To me it’s a fun and exciting challenge.“ Q: "From the first moment you made clear that your injury has not forced anyone into retirement. Why?“ A: "There are always speculations. Regeneration of a tendon is complicated and takes time. That’s the reality.“ Q: "Have you been looking up your injury, consulting encyclopedias, Google?“ A: "No, I’m not obsessed with the subject. I trust the doctors who have been treating me.“ Q: "The day you gave up the London Olympics, was that the worst day of your career?“ A: "It was an event that I was the least able of giving up in my life. It was worse in 2005 when I had the foot injury that was more problematic and more serious than this one. Moreover, now I am 26, having achieved more than I had imagined, so I see things more calmly.“ Q: "When you were presented as the Spanish flag-bearer for the Olympics, you had no doubts you would go?“ A: "After Wimbledon it was already bad, but I trusted that things would improve. I was not convinced that I would go. They were informed at all times of the risk we ran and that I had doubts whether it was appropriate to attend the presentation. They asked me to come, and I was delighted.“ Q: "When did the discomforts in your knee start?“ A: "It was bad at Indian Wells and it got really bad in the semifinals of Miami, where I retired against Murray. Between Miami and Monte Carlo I had two weeks off and clay suits me because it’s less damaging than hard. I competed with discomforts, but without limitations. In the semifinals of Roland Garros I played with my knee infiltrated, which is very bad for the tendon, but at the time I thought more about winning my seventh Roland Garros than about my knee.“ Q: "At Wimbledon, were you aware that maybe you should not have come?“ A: "No.“ Q: "Being eliminated in the second round against world number 100 was a surprise.“ A: "No. For two previous weeks I practiced only one hour a day, without running, very badly, and I played with my knee numbed. I had no chance of going through more rounds. You always think you can, but it was not possible even though I did my best.“ Q: "If you could go back, would you again play at Wimbledon?“ A: "I cannot go back. These are the things that I cannot consider. If you tell me that now, I would have not played. It’s easy to analyse that from here, but when you're there, in the heat of the moment, having won Roland Garros, you see things differently.“ Q: "Which defeat hurts you more, to Lukas Rosol or to Soderling at Roland Garros 2009?“ A: "They have no points of comparison. Both have in common that my knee was bad, but I could compete at Roland Garros. At Wimbledon no. The defeat to Rosol was a death foretold for me.“ Q: "Do you fear the most switching between surfaces now?“ A: "Switching between surfaces is always damaging and you try to avoid it. I will play at Acapulco to compete on clay, gain confidence and rhythm.“ Q: "Your schedule will proceed depending on how you feel?“ A: "I have made my schedule, I have it all planned out. What I cannot predict is whether my knee will be better or worse and whether I’ll win more or less matches. It’s not about the tournaments you play, but about the matches you get to dispute.“ Q: "The same goes for the Davis Cup.“ A: "I cannot deny that the first tie looks very complicated for me to play it, but you never know. In the Davis Cup I experience emotions different than those at other tournaments and I have really enjoyed playing it.“ Q: "How do you watch tennis from the sidelines?“ A: "I was watching all tennis events, but not every day. When you are at home and you can do what you like, you prefer doing other things. I watched matches that I had been excited to see.“ Q: "Are the virtues and defects of a rival best detected by watching his match on TV?“ A: "We all know everyone else, there are no surprises.“ Q: "There is unanimity about tennis having lost some interest without you. As if something is missing.“ A: "It's not up to me to say that. There have been exciting moments. Murray won his first Grand Slam tournament and Olympic gold, David Ferrer his first Masters 1000. And I'm happy for both. I suppose David will surpass me in the rankings in January, and I will be happy for him. The person comes before the athlete, the rival.“ Q: "Have you been in contact with Federer, Djokovic or Murray?“ A: "They have sent me messages of support and I've congratulated them when they won.“ Q: "Can we say that Federer is your friend?“ A: "I have my friends in Manacor, they are lifelong. Then there are Carlos Moyá and Marc López, among others. I regard Federer, Murray or Djokovic as colleagues. Unfortunately, I don’t have 300 friends. I have as many as I have.“ Q: "What has your normal day consisted of in these last months?“ A: "Hours of recovery in the gym and a little bit of those things I can’t do when I'm away.“ Q: "You took it as a semi-holiday.“ A: "A holiday is when someone wants to be on holiday. 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Q: "Have you missed the bustle of tournaments, with all it entails, such as travelling, matches, press conferences, advertising commitments?“
A: "I’ve kept my advertising commitments. What I've noticed as missing is the absence of competition, feeling the adrenaline of competition. To tell you the truth, it’s now that I’m missing the tour, because it’s now that I’m starting to feel better. When you feel bad, you do not consider playing.“ Q: "You are a fixture on social networks.“ A: "It’s a very important communication medium that allows me to keep in touch with my fans. It's the future.“ Q: "You see yourself playing until ...?“ A: "Until my body and my mind allow me. My goal is to arrive fit in Brazil 2016.“ Q: "When you retire, do you imagine your life to be very different from the one of the last few months?“ A: "I suppose so. At first I imagine I will have a bit of quiet, but I love sport in general a lot and I will continue to be involved in it one way or another. Mainly in tennis, but I don’t rule out my participation in other sports.“ Q: "Has the economic crisis reached tennis in any way? When facing a player with a low ranking, do you know whether he’s doing badly?“ A: "To be honest, the crisis has reached all sectors directly or indirectly. Anyone who says otherwise is deceiving oneself. But it has not affected the overall economic level of the tour, which continues to grow. Although, it’s not the time to boast about anything. It's time to work, accept that we are going through a bad time and try keeping our attitude necessary to change the situation, starting from the people in the streets up to those who are leading us.“ Q: "You have noticed the crisis around you?“ A: "I'm from Mallorca, Manacor, I’m from this world. I have colleagues who are doing badly, and when you see adverse situations you cannot stay on the sidelines. You suffer with them and you help as much as you can.“ Q:"Have you undergone anti-doping controls in these months?“ A: "Yes. And I’m not complaining about the controls, but about the methods. It's very easy to look good and make no comments about the subject, but I’m not like that. I’m saying clearly, I want anti-doping controls, but they make us go through very unpleasant situations and I don’t agree with that nor can I support it. At six-thirty this morning I had a blood and urine control. Yesterday, at six-twenty, the same. Two days in a row. This is not how it should be when you’re an athlete. Calling at your door that early, getting you scared to death thinking something terrible has happened. Also, I live with my parents.“ Q: "Why at six in the morning and two days in a row?“ A: "You have to give your whereabouts for 365 days a year, an hour a day, which I proposed to be at seven. I don’t think all that is legal, because it goes against your privacy and security. It seems inconsistent and unnecessary. The third time they cannot find you, you get banned for a year, at least. When they come in, I offer them coffee. They are employees and I have nothing against them. I want to undergo controls. I know I'm clean, never in my life would I take anything. I understand sport as a philosophy, and would rather retire than cheat.“ Q: "Being a sporting icon is tiring, boring, burdensome?“ A: "It would be arrogant of me to qualify myself that way. On the contrary, what has been happening to me is very positive, I couldn’t even dream about things that I was able to experience and I am grateful to life for everything that has happened to me.“ |
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12-10-2012, 06:17 AM
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Well, if he didn't cry and whine like a 5 year old on a regular basis, I wouldn't have anything to complain about now would I? And I do think it makes him look like he's trying to hide something. Why else would he actually have the sack to complain about a simple turn during the drug testing? Is he hiding something from the tester? Why else would someone whine about something so simple? You have got to be kidding me.  I am pretty certain that Nadal has signed contracts and agreements when he entered the ATP that he will have to be subjected to the anti-doping and all that it entails. He knew what he was getting into, and if he is so against it, then maybe he should retire. Then at least we won't have to hear his never ending whining about anti-doping if he did. A body cavity search is a medical exmaination? How in the world do you figure that?
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See, Nadal is like you, he doesn't care about looking good. He's not afraid to speak his honest opinion. You honestly hate Nadal and aren't afraid to show it. And Nadal honestly hates people banging on the door at 6.30am (when he had told them he would be available from 7am onwards each day of the year) for 2 days in a row and scaring his parents, and is not afraid to complain publicly.  Last edited by RAFA2005RG : 12-10-2012 at 08:06 AM. |
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12-10-2012, 08:20 AM
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And it's also very easy to open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself. Something Nadal knows a whole lot about. Look, Nadal is an airhead so he needs to shut-up about crap like this. Everytime he opens his mouth he just spews more garbage, and we are all dumber for having heard it. Seen and not heard should be Nadal's motto. It suits him well.
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12-10-2012, 11:42 AM
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Are you serious?, why would it bother him to have his privacy invaded like that?. Oh, not at all. We have two valid, conflicting interests here: keeping sports clean of doping and people's right of privacy. A balance has to be found, where the right or acceptable balance is is indeed debatable, and Nadal like everyone else has every right to say what he thinks about this subject. You can sign anything you want, that in itself doesn't make it legal or constitutional. Uhm, am I missing something?, you were talking about a gynecological examination, isn't that what one would call a medical examination?.
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First, I don't get it. It seems like his complaining is nitpicking. I mean isn't the real embarrassment someone looking at your penis? If you can take that I don't get why you would object to having to turn around. Even if it is not needed, that alone isn't a reason to object. Does it cause any additional humiliation? Maybe it does for Rafa, but I really don't get why. He's ok with a guy looking at his junk but he doesn't want to turn around. Eh? Second, there probably is a reason for turning around. You could (believe it or not) have a false bladder with a tube running along your penis with some putty or whatever covering it up, disguised as your normal skin. It would probably be harder to hide the bladder if you are not wearing a shirt and your pants are down and you do a full 360 turn. I know it's embarrassing standing naked in front of a stranger, but you know that's the price to pay if you're a multi millionare sportsman (same as getting woken up at 6.30. You know i'll take that slight inconvenience for several million) and there are times when you just have to accept it. I mean you go to the doctor cos you have a lump on your testicle - he's going to not only look at your privates but PHYSICALLY examine you. And given the possibility of doping and using prosthetics, players are lucky they don't get physically examined. Yes it wouldn't be nice, but you're earning millions and could be cheating your way to that money. You have to sometimes have that downside to life, ordinary people have to go through things more uncomfortable so just accept it.. Having said that I do think they should give a proper explanation to Nadal about why they need him to do a 360 turn. If you have a rule you should be able to explain it officially.
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12-10-2012, 12:57 PM
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Yes to all of this. This is what I have been trying to get across, but for some reason, it ain't getting through. I also think that even if Nadal was told why they do this(he should be able to figure it out for himself, but he seems limited, so maybe he needs it explained), I think he would STILL complain about it. He will never be happy until they stop drug testing altogether.
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It bothers me because he sounds like an idiot just about every single time he opens his mouth. Especially when it comes to drug testing. Yes, I am serious. And they can come and invade my privacy like that for the millions of dollars Nadal has made over the years hitting a yellow tennis ball over the net. Hell, I'll even do the 360 turn for them if they like. He is extremely fortunate, yet seems too dumb to be able to comprehend that. The rest of this stuff is just lawyer mumble jumble and nothing more. Yes, but I was talking about a body cavity search, which is not the same as a gyno exam.
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I dunno if he's actually against the idea of testing he just probably hates doing it. Like paying taxes, yeah we know it has to be done, but we rather not lol. I think blood testing needs to be upped. I would rather get blood taken than someone watching me pee. Obviously after a long match blood testing might not be the best, but out of tournament testing, i see blood testing as a good way. I think this has gotten to a point where people say he hates testing so then he sort of goes on more to explain why and justify it, but it just becomes more of an issue and he probably should have left it alone for his own sake. Just makes more people criticise him instead of being like "oh now i see his point"
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It being unnecessary or the purpose not being clear would already make it more humiliating, it would certainly make you more upset about it. It doesn't mean he's OK with someone looking at his penis, but maybe he sees more reason for that part of the test. Quote:
. We went over this quite a lot and yes, it does seem that there can be reasons for it. The discussion has moved a little further than that. There being a reason for it does not automatically mean it’s justified and the athlete cannot say so if he thinks it’s too much.I don't think it's actually comparable to a medical examination . A medical examination may be more or less invasive than what we're talking about, but it's a doctor who performs it, and it's your choice, you are not obliged to do it and that makes all the difference here. It could indeed be argued that an actual physical examination would help prevent doping and hence it should be done. You could also say players should wear some GPS like element on them at all times thus pretty much eliminating the possibilities of missing tests, etc. But like I explained before, this has its limits and it should have them. Where that limit is is debatable and Nadal like anyone else has a right to say what he thinks these limits should be. You have two legitimate interests: keeping sports clean and the right to privacy. One does NOT simply take complete precedence over the other, it doesn't work like that nor should it. Both interests have to be weighted in and a fair balance found. Anyone – and particularly those who have to submit to these procedures – have a right to say where they think that balance should be. I have a problem with this argument. First, not only millionaire sportsmen are subject to these procedures. Second, you don't lose your rights because you're a millionaire (which in this case it means you're really good at what you do) and have as much or a right to privacy and dignity as anyone else. Quote:
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