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[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

It bothers me because he sounds like an idiot just about every single time he opens his mouth. Especially when it comes to drug testing.

He actually doesn't. But whatever really.

Yes, I am serious. And they can come and invade my privacy like that for the millions of dollars Nadal has made over the years hitting a yellow tennis ball over the net. Hell, I'll even do the 360 turn for them if they like. He is extremely fortunate, yet seems too dumb to be able to comprehend that.

He does seem to notice. He's always saying how grateful he is. Guess you've missed it in your negativity.

It is indeed something I hate when people who get to make a living out of something they love, and are millionaires because of that for that matter, keep whining "oh, I have to stop on the street to give autographs all the time. Oh, paparazzi keep following me around. Poor me, I wish I was just a simple guy (yeah, right)".

It's a serious turn off for me and something Nadal doesn't do at all.

The rest of this stuff is just lawyer mumble jumble and nothing more.

The rest was a clear explanation. If you find it too complex and you don't understand it then just say so.

Yes, but I was talking about a body cavity search, which is not the same as a gyno exam.

Well, I was talking about a gyno exam. But about cavity searches, yes, they’re obviously worse, and I definitely think they should be avoided whenever possible (and I do understand it’s possible), even in prisons (people there still have rights also...).

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

Why is it hard to understand that someone would complain more about what he sees as having no justification?. He doesn't see the reason, so he's objecting to it. I do think it causes additional humiliation, I can sure see why. It means you're basically naked for that matter.
It being unnecessary or the purpose not being clear would already make it more humiliating, it would certainly make you more upset about it.

It doesn't mean he's OK with someone looking at his penis, but maybe he sees more reason for that part of the test.



Oh, I don't think you've read all the posts about this . We went over this quite a lot and yes, it does seem that there can be reasons for it. The discussion has moved a little further than that. There being a reason for it does not automatically mean it’s justified and the athlete cannot say so if he thinks it’s too much.

I don't think it's actually comparable to a medical examination . A medical examination may be more or less invasive than what we're talking about, but it's a doctor who performs it, and it's your choice, you are not obliged to do it and that makes all the difference here.

It could indeed be argued that an actual physical examination would help prevent doping and hence it should be done. You could also say players should wear some GPS like element on them at all times thus pretty much eliminating the possibilities of missing tests, etc. But like I explained before, this has its limits and it should have them.

Where that limit is is debatable and Nadal like anyone else has a right to say what he thinks these limits should be. You have two legitimate interests: keeping sports clean and the right to privacy. One does NOT simply take complete precedence over the other, it doesn't work like that nor should it. Both interests have to be weighted in and a fair balance found. Anyone – and particularly those who have to submit to these procedures – have a right to say where they think that balance should be.

I have a problem with this argument.
First, not only millionaire sportsmen are subject to these procedures.
Second, you don't lose your rights because you're a millionaire (which in this case it means you're really good at what you do) and have as much or a right to privacy and dignity as anyone else.



Yes, they definitely should.

Why do you think it causes more humiliation? How does turning around add to the embarrassment of standing there with your junk out? You have yet to give a satisfying answer to this question, while you have been given many reasons as to why they have them turn around, but are just being obstinate by refusing to accept them. Instead you just keep arguing in circles with nowhere to go.


To me, you either do the anti-doping or you are banned. No amount of complaining about a lousy 360 turn will cut it.


I know that Nadal would simply fail at life if he weren't an athlete. He is far too child-like and bratty, and I doubt very much he could survive a real job with his lack of common sense. He would be living with his parents forever(he already does, actually)and living off of them as well. Over the past several years this guy has shown how little intelligence he has. It's unreal to be honest, but makes me understand why he can't live alone, and why others seem to run his entire life for him.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

He actually doesn't. But whatever really.



He does seem to notice. He's always saying how grateful he is. Guess you've missed it in your negativity.

It is indeed something I hate when people who get to make a living out of something they love, and are millionaires because of that for that matter, keep whining "oh, I have to stop on the street to give autographs all the time. Oh, paparazzi keep following me around. Poor me, I wish I was just a simple guy (yeah, right)".

It's a serious turn off for me and something Nadal doesn't do at all.



The rest was a clear explanation. If you find it too complex and you don't understand it then just say so.

Well, I was talking about a gyno exam. But about cavity searches, yes, they’re obviously worse, and I definitely think they should be avoided whenever possible (and I do understand it’s possible), even in prisons (people there still have rights also...).

Ok, how about 99% of the time? Lol.


If he says it, I don't know if I would believe him.


He just chooses to complain about the very things that keep him in a sport making millions of dollars. He just chooses to complain about things that are so minute that he should be ashamed of himself for complaining about them. Instead of making a big deal out of a lousy turn, maybe he should go spend a few days in a slum to get a grip on reality because his constant complaining about first world problems turns me off big time.


I understand it fine; I just think it's the lawyer in you giving me talking points and silly notions that don't really address the issue. You act as if his human rights have been violated just because WADA makes him turn around one time during anti-doping. It's not like they're sodomizing him while his back is turned. Wouldn't the stuff you said actually be better off used for people who are actually suffering from real human rights violatons in this world instead of a rich athlete who just likes to complain too much? Perspective is a beautiful thing.

[PCXL-Fan]

Maybe Nadal has something to be embarrassed about when he shows his mons pubis to the WADA officials?

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

Maybe Nadal has something to be embarrassed about?

Well, I've heard he's average in that department, so I doubt that's his problem.


I think he's just a complainer. I cannot imagine what life must be like with him at home. Seems like he would want to control every single thing he can. He also seems needy emotionally.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Why do you think it causes more humiliation? How does turning around add to the embarrassment of standing there with your junk out? You have yet to give a satisfying answer to this question, while you have been given many reasons as to why they have them turn around, but are just being obstinate by refusing to accept them. Instead you just keep arguing in circles with nowhere to go.

See above.

To me, you either do the anti-doping or you are banned. No amount of complaining about a lousy 360 turn will cut it.


I know that Nadal would simply fail at life if he weren't an athlete. He is far too child-like and bratty, and I doubt very much he could survive a real job with his lack of common sense. He would be living with his parents forever(he already does, actually)and living off of them as well. Over the past several years this guy has shown how little intelligence he has. It's unreal to be honest, but makes me understand why he can't live alone, and why others seem to run his entire life for him.

Oh, it's not only the turn he has a problem with, he's talked about others aspects of the whole things before. Oh, and he has every right to.

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Ok, how about 99% of the time? Lol.

If he says it, I don't know if I would believe him.

He just chooses to complain about the very things that keep him in a sport making millions of dollars. He just chooses to complain about things that are so minute that he should be ashamed of himself for complaining about them. Instead of making a big deal out of a lousy turn, maybe he should go spend a few days in a slum to get a grip on reality because his constant complaining about first world problems turns me off big time.

He chooses to complain about something he finds demeaning and unfair.

I understand it fine; I just think it's the lawyer in you giving me talking points and silly notions that don't really address the issue. You act as if his human rights have been violated just because WADA makes him turn around one time during anti-doping. It's not like they're sodomizing him while his back is turned. Wouldn't the stuff you said actually be better off used for people who are actually suffering from real human rights violatons in this world instead of a rich athlete who just likes to complain too much? Perspective is a beautiful thing.

They address the issue. Maybe I explain myself better above.

And human rights are indeed an issue here (and it's not only about the turn). Human rights do not only come into play in huge human rights violations in China or wherever. They come into play into these kind of more mundane stuff as well.

Perspective, yeah. Believe me, I'm not losing any sleep over this. But what you're saying is just a way of avoiding an issue. "Oh, why worry about gay marriage when gay people are getting killed in other places, just be grateful that's not the case here", etc.

Oh, the video you posted btw, shows the unreasonable levels this things can get to. The poor guy who was there treated as a criminal for having smoked some pot....

[Borrelli]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

WOW, that is a nice car. What kind of car is that ? and where does he go in that car ? and Can't Rafa buy his uncle something better than that Dinky motorbike ? Rafa is greedy, isn't he ?

Looks like Maserati taillights to me I think he has a Ferrari too. That's what you get when millions of fanatics spend all their money buying his $130.00 shoes and $90.00 shirts.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

See above.



Oh, it's not only the turn he has a problem with, he's talked about others aspects of the whole things before. Oh, and he has every right to.



He chooses to complain about something he finds demeaning and unfair.



They address the issue. Maybe I explain myself better above.

And human rights are indeed an issue here (and it's not only about the turn). Human rights do not only come into play in huge human rights violations in China or wherever. They come into play into these kind of more mundane stuff as well.

Perspective, yeah. Believe me, I'm not losing any sleep over this. But what you're saying is just a way of avoiding an issue. "Oh, why worry about gay marriage when gay people are getting killed in other places, just be grateful that's not the case here", etc.

Oh, the video you posted btw, shows the unreasonable levels this things can get to. The poor guy who was there treated as a criminal for having smoked some pot....

And I have every right to call him a dummy for complaining about something so silly.


What's unfair about it? He has never given any ideas as to what they could possibly do differently. They have to test them, and there are too many cheaters for them to be lax about it. What exactly could be changed about the anti-doping that wouldn't compromise an already weak system ever further?


This is just so ridiculous I don't even know what to say. Nadal is not forced to do WADA testing. He does it by choice. If he doesn't want to do the testing he can easily retire since the very testing he complains about constantly, has allowed him to play a sport that lets him make millions of dollars just hitting a ball over a net, being pimped out by corporations for money, and complaining all the time. He needs to take a hike if he thinks he should be an exception to the rules. Especially when there is no other way to complete the drug testing thoroughly. No other way.


It's also funny to hear him try to cry about how the necessary testing demeans him, while at the same time, he posed nearly naked for Armani, and had no problem rolling around half naked with Shakira in the dirt for a music video. I bet if WADA decided to pay him for letting them test him he would say a whole lot of nothing about it, and his self-righteous indignation would disappear at the speed of light.


No, what I am doing is pointing out how people get all up in arms about a millionaire athlete choosing to complete WADA testing in order to make millions more, and calling that optional choice a human rights violation. It's absurd, and frankly, offends me.


I totally agree. Ridiculous that guy had to be jailed for that. I just wanted to show how far people will go to cheat the drug tests, and the different ways they can achieve it.

[tusharlovesrafa]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Well, I've heard he's average in that department, so I doubt that's his problem.


I think he's just a complainer. I cannot imagine what life must be like with him at home. Seems like he would want to control every single thing he can. He also seems needy emotionally.

Where did you hear this,Miss?

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

Why is it hard to understand that someone would complain more about what he sees as having no justification?. He doesn't see the reason, so he's objecting to it. I do think it causes additional humiliation, I can sure see why. It means you're basically naked for that matter.
It being unnecessary or the purpose not being clear would already make it more humiliating, it would certainly make you more upset about it.

It doesn't mean he's OK with someone looking at his penis, but maybe he sees more reason for that part of the test.

I just don't get this. Being naked is awkward because you're showing private areas. If I had my junk hang out in front of someone that would be as bad as if I also had my shirt off. I am a pretty skinny, lanky guy and as a kid at one point I had a fear of being seen by classmates without my shirt because I was so skinny. Yet I still wouldn't feel any worse if my shirt was off during such an incident. It wouldn't matter if I was wearing a Santa hat as well. I would think "Why?" But I wouldn't complain about it because it's not that that causes me distress. He doesn't mind being in his underwear for some ads so the only thing left to the imagination is his private area which will be on show when they look at him pee. So I don't see how have to pull your shirt up and turn around makes it worse. Yes he has a right to feel that way, but everyone else has a right to an opinion about whether his distress is reasonable. I think if you accept someone is looking at your penis, it's crazy to object to take your shirt off and doing a turn. If I said I got searched at an airport, I accepted the anal probe but was annoyed I had to take my shoes off too, i think most people would say yeah the shoes being off is not needed but I'm still complaining over nothing.

Nadal's issue with it in my opinion is something like an OCD type issue, where someone has some sort of huge problem with something that has no reason to cause distress (I mean just the turning bit, the being exposed part is different)

Originally Posted by Crisstti

Oh, I don't think you've read all the posts about this . We went over this quite a lot and yes, it does seem that there can be reasons for it. The discussion has moved a little further than that. There being a reason for it does not automatically mean it’s justified and the athlete cannot say so if he thinks it’s too much.

Well there were quite a few I just wanted to get my point across. He may think it's unjustified, but my opinion is that he's being overly picky if his objection is pulling his shirt up and doing a turn. Rafa can feel what he wants but I think it's over the top to object to this. That's my opinion, and it's also my opinion it makes him look worse to other people.

Originally Posted by Crisstti

I don't think it's actually comparable to a medical examination . A medical examination may be more or less invasive than what we're talking about, but it's a doctor who performs it, and it's your choice, you are not obliged to do it and that makes all the difference here.

He does have a choice. Be a pro tennis player or not. He's not being molested. It's more of a choice than "get physically examined or potentially die from cancer" At least as a sportsman you know this will happen - it's part of the job unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Crisstti

It could indeed be argued that an actual physical examination would help prevent doping and hence it should be done. You could also say players should wear some GPS like element on them at all times thus pretty much eliminating the possibilities of missing tests, etc. But like I explained before, this has its limits and it should have them.

Well everyone has their opinion about what is too far or not. I would say blood test everyone but certain players would probably complain about needles.. Also it's impractical in certain circumstances but I would say a player should always have the right to a blood test instead if they like. If they have a reason why they don't want one, it's a urine test.

Originally Posted by Crisstti

Where that limit is is debatable and Nadal like anyone else has a right to say what he thinks these limits should be. You have two legitimate interests: keeping sports clean and the right to privacy. One does NOT simply take complete precedence over the other, it doesn't work like that nor should it. Both interests have to be weighted in and a fair balance found. Anyone – and particularly those who have to submit to these procedures – have a right to say where they think that balance should be.

I never said he didn't have a right, I just don't agree with him. I do understand him not liking it but I don't agree that it should be changed (other that the bloodtest option I mentioned)

Originally Posted by Crisstti

I have a problem with this argument.
First, not only millionaire sportsmen are subject to these procedures.
Second, you don't lose your rights because you're a millionaire (which in this case it means you're really good at what you do) and have as much or a right to privacy and dignity as anyone else.

The point is there are certain downsides to any job you do. Nadal and all the other sportsmen haven't lost any rights, this isn't some crime. This is a legal procedure going on. If it were a crime against human rights, more people should speak out about it.

I don't want to bash Nadal on the Nadal thread, I just don't understand how anyone can find the 360 turn bit offensive, I really don't. If he was saying they should have blood tests so they don't have people looking at them naked, fair enough, I would agree that's a better idea. But he doesn't offer any other solution.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

And I have every right to call him a dummy for complaining about something so silly.

What's unfair about it? He has never given any ideas as to what they could possibly do differently. They have to test them, and there are too many cheaters for them to be lax about it. What exactly could be changed about the anti-doping that wouldn't compromise an already weak system ever further?

This is just so ridiculous I don't even know what to say. Nadal is not forced to do WADA testing. He does it by choice. If he doesn't want to do the testing he can easily retire since the very testing he complains about constantly, has allowed him to play a sport that lets him make millions of dollars just hitting a ball over a net, being pimped out by corporations for money, and complaining all the time. He needs to take a hike if he thinks he should be an exception to the rules. Especially when there is no other way to complete the drug testing thoroughly. No other way.

It's also funny to hear him try to cry about how the necessary testing demeans him, while at the same time, he posed nearly naked for Armani, and had no problem rolling around half naked with Shakira in the dirt for a music video. I bet if WADA decided to pay him for letting them test him he would say a whole lot of nothing about it, and his self-righteous indignation would disappear at the speed of light.

No, what I am doing is pointing out how people get all up in arms about a millionaire athlete choosing to complete WADA testing in order to make millions more, and calling that optional choice a human rights violation. It's absurd, and frankly, offends me.

I totally agree. Ridiculous that guy had to be jailed for that. I just wanted to show how far people will go to cheat the drug tests, and the different ways they can achieve it.

I do not know what could be done differently Clarky. Maybe I'll do some more reading on the subject and get back to you. I don't know if Rafa has really talked at length about it.

It's not even the point though. Say that athletes would actually have to undergo a physical examination. You indeed couldn't get rid of that without weakening the system.
The point is it's debatable how much can you take away from someone's right to privacy for the sake of anti-doping policies.
You thought it was laughable when I said the whole thing is legally debatable, so I explained exactly how that is and then you say it's legal mumble jumble. Don't expect to get a clear cut answer about this kind of thing because it doesn't exist.

No, he doesn't do it by choice, the same way drug tests in the workplace aren't by choice. There are very serious consequences if you don't do them.

What he's done for Armani or the Shakira video has been by choice. And he was definitely not naked in those.

Someone being a millionaire or not has absolutely nothing to do with this.

[RF20Lennon]

wait...i thought his parents were divorced, how does he live with them???

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

I do not know what could be done differently Clarky. Maybe I'll do some more reading on the subject and get back to you. I don't know if Rafa has really talked at length about it.

It's not even the point though. Say that athletes would actually have to undergo a physical examination. You indeed couldn't get rid of that without weakening the system.
The point is it's debatable how much can you take away from someone's right to privacy for the sake of anti-doping policies.
You thought it was laughable when I said the whole thing is legally debatable, so I explained exactly how that is and then you say it's legal mumble jumble. Don't expect to get a clear cut answer about this kind of thing because it doesn't exist.

No, he doesn't do it by choice, the same way drug tests in the workplace aren't by choice. There are very serious consequences if you don't do them.

What he's done for Armani or the Shakira video has been by choice. And he was definitely not naked in those.Someone being a millionaire or not has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Nothing at all. That's what could be done differently, and I'm confident that your future reading will corroborate that.


What else do you expect them to do then? How else can they collect a sample that they are certain was not tampered with with artificial or outside means?


Yes he absolutely does do them by choice. he is not bound by law to complete WADA tests, and he is rich enough to retire and never complete another one if he so chooses. Last I checked the WADA agent does not brandish a weapon and demand he get naked, do a 360, and then **** in a cup. He lets them into his home willingly, and does the test willingly as well.


And the testing he does for WADA is done by choice as well. And while he wasn't naked completely, he left very little to the imagination, and even did several different commercials for Armani where he ran around in his underwear, and even stripped. Some of that stuff was close to soft-core porn yet he is "demeaned" by WADA testing. He needs to get out of here with that noise.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Towser83

I just don't get this. Being naked is awkward because you're showing private areas. If I had my junk hang out in front of someone that would be as bad as if I also had my shirt off. I am a pretty skinny, lanky guy and as a kid at one point I had a fear of being seen by classmates without my shirt because I was so skinny. Yet I still wouldn't feel any worse if my shirt was off during such an incident. It wouldn't matter if I was wearing a Santa hat as well. I would think "Why?" But I wouldn't complain about it because it's not that that causes me distress. He doesn't mind being in his underwear for some ads so the only thing left to the imagination is his private area which will be on show when they look at him pee. So I don't see how have to pull your shirt up and turn around makes it worse. Yes he has a right to feel that way, but everyone else has a right to an opinion about whether his distress is reasonable. I think if you accept someone is looking at your penis, it's crazy to object to take your shirt off and doing a turn. If I said I got searched at an airport, I accepted the anal probe but was annoyed I had to take my shoes off too, i think most people would say yeah the shoes being off is not needed but I'm still complaining over nothing.

Nadal's issue with it in my opinion is something like an OCD type issue, where someone has some sort of huge problem with something that has no reason to cause distress (I mean just the turning bit, the being exposed part is different)



Well there were quite a few I just wanted to get my point across. He may think it's unjustified, but my opinion is that he's being overly picky if his objection is pulling his shirt up and doing a turn. Rafa can feel what he wants but I think it's over the top to object to this. That's my opinion, and it's also my opinion it makes him look worse to other people.



He does have a choice. Be a pro tennis player or not. He's not being molested. It's more of a choice than "get physically examined or potentially die from cancer" At least as a sportsman you know this will happen - it's part of the job unfortunately.



Well everyone has their opinion about what is too far or not. I would say blood test everyone but certain players would probably complain about needles.. Also it's impractical in certain circumstances but I would say a player should always have the right to a blood test instead if they like. If they have a reason why they don't want one, it's a urine test.



I never said he didn't have a right, I just don't agree with him. I do understand him not liking it but I don't agree that it should be changed (other that the bloodtest option I mentioned)



The point is there are certain downsides to any job you do. Nadal and all the other sportsmen haven't lost any rights, this isn't some crime. This is a legal procedure going on. If it were a crime against human rights, more people should speak out about it.

I don't want to bash Nadal on the Nadal thread, I just don't understand how anyone can find the 360 turn bit offensive, I really don't. If he was saying they should have blood tests so they don't have people looking at them naked, fair enough, I would agree that's a better idea. But he doesn't offer any other solution.

Preach, Towser. We finally found something we agree on.

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Preach, Towser. We finally found something we agree on.

Lol, it's the Christmas spirit starting early

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Towser83

Lol, it's the Christmas spirit starting early

Probably is because us agreeing on something is a minor miracle.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Towser83

I just don't get this. Being naked is awkward because you're showing private areas. If I had my junk hang out in front of someone that would be as bad as if I also had my shirt off. I am a pretty skinny, lanky guy and as a kid at one point I had a fear of being seen by classmates without my shirt because I was so skinny. Yet I still wouldn't feel any worse if my shirt was off during such an incident. It wouldn't matter if I was wearing a Santa hat as well. I would think "Why?" But I wouldn't complain about it because it's not that that causes me distress. He doesn't mind being in his underwear for some ads so the only thing left to the imagination is his private area which will be on show when they look at him pee. So I don't see how have to pull your shirt up and turn around makes it worse. Yes he has a right to feel that way, but everyone else has a right to an opinion about whether his distress is reasonable. I think if you accept someone is looking at your penis, it's crazy to object to take your shirt off and doing a turn. If I said I got searched at an airport, I accepted the anal probe but was annoyed I had to take my shoes off too, i think most people would say yeah the shoes being off is not needed but I'm still complaining over nothing.

Nadal's issue with it in my opinion is something like an OCD type issue, where someone has some sort of huge problem with something that has no reason to cause distress (I mean just the turning bit, the being exposed part is different)

Well there were quite a few I just wanted to get my point across. He may think it's unjustified, but my opinion is that he's being overly picky if his objection is pulling his shirt up and doing a turn. Rafa can feel what he wants but I think it's over the top to object to this. That's my opinion, and it's also my opinion it makes him look worse to other people.

I understand why he would find it worse. In one case I wouldn't think it's THAT different from peeing in a men's bathroom in front of others. Lifting your shirt up to your armpits and pulling down your pants way down means you're pretty much naked while giving the sample. I can see why it'd make the whole thing worse for him, I think I would feel the same way.

Plus, he had just been tested two days in a row including the morning of the interview. I don't know if the particular aspect we're discussing really bothers him so much or it he was particularly annoyed about it in that moment.

You might have a point about the OCD though, who knows. You can get obsessed about things.

It makes him looks worse to some people because those people don't understand the issues at work here. Some will just think anyone complaining must be doping, which I find just dumb. I'm glad he doesn't seem to care too much how it makes him look.

He does have a choice. Be a pro tennis player or not. He's not being molested. It's more of a choice than "get physically examined or potentially die from cancer" At least as a sportsman you know this will happen - it's part of the job unfortunately.

When you can be punished by others (and to such degree, you couldn't be a pro athlete in this case) then saying you have a choice it's rather relative. This is somewhat similar to drug testing in the workplace. Only that there it's much less invasive and you can get a similar job somewhere else.

The right to privacy is an issue here and it is debatable. This kind of things go to court sometimes.

Well everyone has their opinion about what is too far or not. I would say blood test everyone but certain players would probably complain about needles.. Also it's impractical in certain circumstances but I would say a player should always have the right to a blood test instead if they like. If they have a reason why they don't want one, it's a urine test.

Not a bad idea at all.

Rafa said he got tested both urine and blood that morning. I wonder if there are things you can detect in an urine test that you can't in a blood test.

I never said he didn't have a right, I just don't agree with him. I do understand him not liking it but I don't agree that it should be changed (other that the bloodtest option I mentioned)

The point is there are certain downsides to any job you do. Nadal and all the other sportsmen haven't lost any rights, this isn't some crime. This is a legal procedure going on. If it were a crime against human rights, more people should speak out about it.

I don't want to bash Nadal on the Nadal thread, I just don't understand how anyone can find the 360 turn bit offensive, I really don't. If he was saying they should have blood tests so they don't have people looking at them naked, fair enough, I would agree that's a better idea. But he doesn't offer any other solution.

He has talked other times about other aspects of it. The whereabouts rule, for example.

They have lost a right to a rather large degree, definitely. Some of this could well be considered a human rights violation, and people have spoken about it. But there's too much at stake for them. Nadal even brings up the legality of this (and it's not the first time I've heard someone do it) in the interview Vernon posted.
And I'm not saying it's not justifiable, but it is definitely debatable and a perfectly valid thing to discuss, either for Nadal or anyone else.

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Probably is because us agreeing on something is a minor miracle.

they do occur from time to time, not that often though. I better not bother playing the lottery this week

[oneness]

Geez... The guy cribs a little when he was specifically asked about the way they do the doping test, it sure is invasive, so he is just saying that , he can say that even knowing that there is no other way to get these tests done for now. Big deal.
As a fan, I would like for him to tell exactly how he feels about things when interviewed, not be too image conscious, be it about doping tests or his injuries, could care less if it makes him look worse, pretty sure only people who want him to look worse will see it that way, the rational folks would just agree or disagree with him and leave it at that.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by RF20Lennon

wait...i thought his parents were divorced, how does he live with them???

Apparently they got back together a while ago.

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Nothing at all. That's what could be done differently, and I'm confident that your future reading will corroborate that.


What else do you expect them to do then? How else can they collect a sample that they are certain was not tampered with with artificial or outside means?


Yes he absolutely does do them by choice. he is not bound by law to complete WADA tests, and he is rich enough to retire and never complete another one if he so chooses. Last I checked the WADA agent does not brandish a weapon and demand he get naked, do a 360, and then **** in a cup. He lets them into his home willingly, and does the test willingly as well.


And the testing he does for WADA is done by choice as well. And while he wasn't naked completely, he left very little to the imagination, and even did several different commercials for Armani where he ran around in his underwear, and even stripped. Some of that stuff was close to soft-core porn yet he is "demeaned" by WADA testing. He needs to get out of here with that noise.

It isn't simply about what can be done differently without hampering the system. It's about a fair and reasonable balance. There's not a clear cut answer.

Lol, no, it was nowhere near soft core porn. You sound like a prude sometimes.

And it wouldn't matter if he'd be a porn actor. It's irrelevant. This anti-doping tests cannot simply be considered to be done by choice and I explained why to Towser.