Make up calls

[tennis tom]

Originally Posted by ssgator80

What about the reverse make up call. Where you called a ball out that was damn close and could have been in. So you play the next ball that is out. Happens to me all the time.

According to the code if you're not sure, you're supposed to give the point to your opponent, granted, some times you have a brain fart.

In doubles you can give a point back when your parter makes a bad call. Rather than embarrassing your partner by over-ruling him, on your next return you can give your opponents a make-up point by obviously hitting your return un-characteristlcly long. Your opponents will be aware that you did it deliberately but your partner will be none the wiser because he didn't see your non-chalant swing into the back fence.

[bcart1991]

Originally Posted by gameboy

I have less respect for people who "make up" calls then those who are "hooking" in the first place.

You have no idea whether or not the person is "hooking" intentionally. To violate the rules because you "think" that other person is "hooking" is a cowardly move in my book.

If you play long enough in a league, people can become well-known for certain tactics.

[tennis tom]

Originally Posted by ssgator80

Tom - you should help them out and hit the ball inside the line so they have a very good look at it and cant possibly call it out.

I wish I could, but I'm not good enough, my balls always hit the line.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by tennis tom

According to the code if you're not sure, you're supposed to give the point to your opponent

I must have an old copy of the code.

The one I have states:

"If you are unsure if a ball is in or out, you must call it in EXCEPT for big points. These are always out.

Then, you must call the next several "meaningless" points in a very generous manner in favor of your opponent to show that you are a fair guy (well, actually just to ease your own conscience and "prove" to yourself the you are a fair guy. Nobody else is buying it)".

[ssgator80]

I wish I could, but I'm not good enough, my balls always hit the line.

damn your good. I always felt - if you can hit the lines surely you can place the ball inside the lines. LOL

[tennis tom]

R2473, I like your signature, using it as a mantra has helped ease my nerurosies and saved me a lot on psychiatric costs.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by bcart1991

If you play long enough in a league, people can become well-known for certain tactics.

Exactly. I had just heard this kid joking with his buddies before the match with the old "win in doubt call it out". We also played on clay so I could check the mark on changeovers. There was no doubt in my mind this was deliberate cheating.

[gameboy]

Originally Posted by mikeler

Exactly. I had just heard this kid joking with his buddies before the match with the old "win in doubt call it out". We also played on clay so I could check the mark on changeovers. There was no doubt in my mind this was deliberate cheating.

Pretty unconvincing "evidence" if you ask me.

Look if you want to cheat, you can "convince" yourself that it is an "allowable" thing based on myriad of reasons. It does not matter if you believe the otherside is cheating, it does not condone you cheating on top of it. If you see hooking, call him on it. Don't act like a coward and cheat, you are just stooping to their level.

If there are no line judges to call the balls in/out, it is not important enough to cheat on calls. My integrity is worth more than some random USTA match. Just let it go.

[Jim A]

I just aim my overheads at them....

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by gameboy

Pretty unconvincing "evidence" if you ask me.

Look if you want to cheat, you can "convince" yourself that it is an "allowable" thing based on myriad of reasons. It does not matter if you believe the otherside is cheating, it does not condone you cheating on top of it. If you see hooking, call him on it. Don't act like a coward and cheat, you are just stooping to their level.

If there are no line judges to call the balls in/out, it is not important enough to cheat on calls. My integrity is worth more than some random USTA match. Just let it go.

I'm surprised a mark on a clay court is unconvincing to you. Integrity is one thing, sticking up for yourself is another. I did not lose a wink of sleep that night.

[Steady Eddy]

Originally Posted by dizzlmcwizzl

Once against a habitual bad line caller I hooked a line from him on purpose. I did it out of anger / frustration and in such a way that he new I did it, and I knew he knew I did it. I won the match easily. I did not need to do it, but I did not help myself.

I could not sleep and 2 days later I felt so bad that I called him to apologize. His reaction was priceless. He said not to worry about it ... he refered to them as "tournament calls" and that he had done this many times before.

Fortunately it was in a meaningless match that had no bearing on playoffs or our match. But I just felt "dirty" for a long time after that.

I have a hunch you were raised Catholic.

Originally Posted by bcart1991

If it's an habitual bad-caller, calmly giving it right back to them is the only way to get them to mend their ways.

Yeah but...what if you do a "make up" call, and then notice a large group had just started watching? They don't know the history, they're just going to whisper, "Look at how this guy cheats!" You could be the one getting a bad reputation. There are some risks that go with doing this.

[gameboy]

Originally Posted by mikeler

I'm surprised a mark on a clay court is unconvincing to you. Integrity is one thing, sticking up for yourself is another. I did not lose a wink of sleep that night.

You are checking the mark during changeovers and not when it happened right away. How do you even know for sure that is the correct mark?

One person's "sticking up for yourself" is another person's hooking.

[West Coast Ace]

Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

The other thing I have noticed is that sometimes my opponent will call a ball in I would have sworn was out.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The rule (for self-called matches) is: "If you don't see it clearly out then it's in. You should be happy to play with people who live by this.

[Ripper014]

Originally Posted by West Coast Ace

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The rule (for self-called matches) is: "If you don't see it clearly out then it's in. You should be happy to play with people who live by this.

Absolutely... but I thought we all played like this... am I wrong?

[Ripper014]

Originally Posted by tennis tom

According to the code if you're not sure, you're supposed to give the point to your opponent, granted, some times you have a brain fart.

In doubles you can give a point back when your parter makes a bad call. Rather than embarrassing your partner by over-ruling him, on your next return you can give your opponents a make-up point by obviously hitting your return un-characteristlcly long. Your opponents will be aware that you did it deliberately but your partner will be none the wiser because he didn't see your non-chalant swing into the back fence.

If you are going to do this you need to give them 2 points back... giving them one point does not give them back the one point advantage they lost. Sometimes you just have to accept upsetting your partner by making the right call, almost everyone I play with is willing to accept that they may have made a mistake on a line call.

[West Coast Ace]

Originally Posted by Ripper014

Absolutely... but I thought we all played like this... am I wrong?

You're reading the same threads and posts I am. There's obviously a lot of people with 'alternate' views of what this means!

[Ripper014]

Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

The other thing I have noticed is that sometimes my opponent will call a ball in I would have sworn was out.

I guess it evens out in the end.

It probably was out... but they could not make a 100% determination... if you clearly see the ball out of play... you have the option to correct your opponent and give them the point. You are not obligated... but you have the option... and I think how you handle this says a lot about you as a person.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by gameboy

You are checking the mark during changeovers and not when it happened right away. How do you even know for sure that is the correct mark?

One person's "sticking up for yourself" is another person's hooking.

The court was swept clean before we started playing. Do you play on clay? You weren't there Mr. Integrity.

[Ripper014]

Originally Posted by West Coast Ace

You're reading the same threads and posts I am. There's obviously a lot of people with 'alternate' views of what this means!

Well I always suspected this... put who knew there were this many that felt this way and so strongly about it.

[bcart1991]

Originally Posted by Steady Eddy

Yeah but...what if you do a "make up" call, and then notice a large group had just started watching? They don't know the history, they're just going to whisper, "Look at how this guy cheats!" You could be the one getting a bad reputation. There are some risks that go with doing this.

If it gets to the point that I'm giving a "make-up call", it's already far beyond anyone thinking I'm the one who's initiated the cheating.