Poor Murray,got destroyed once more,LOL!

[abmk]

Originally Posted by Fedex

Ok Coloskier. I think I've figured out what you were trying to say.
You're saying that Murray's high winning second serve percentage stat is misleading because his second serve is so weak, he has to win most of the points through rallying rather than winning them directly through pressure from an effective second serve.
His rallying is so effective, he can still win most points on his second serve but the stats don't show that his second serve is rubbish.
Is that what you mean?

yes, that is how it is .... though I have to say he has improved his 2nd serve a bit. But its still nowhere near being good

[batz]

Originally Posted by coloskier

The actual 2nd serve has very little to do with 2nd serve points won. It has to do with what you do after the serve. A better stat would be points won by winner or forced error due to only the serve, where Murray would reside in the WTA category.

The only metric that matters is 2nd serve points won - because that's the outcome that matters. Whether those 2nd serve points come from aces/unreturnables or from rallying is an irrelevance - the process doesn't matter, the outcome does.

If Murray's second serve was as bad as you are making out, there is no way he would be able to win the number of second serve points he does - it would simply be put away by his opponent almost every time.

[TJfederer16]

yer i mean he hardly got destroyed lol, match point down, he was very lucky to win the match, he loves chasing balls anyway, thats what he does best, he's chasing everything against any player not jst querrey, did you watch the match at wimbledon?

[ealkuon]

I've to say about Murray that he needs to take destiny in his own hands. he was way too passive past Sunday and he really needs to go after it instead of waiting. He has the weapons to go after it and he has done so in the past but he was totally uncommitted in the Final w. Querrey.

[Buckethead]

lol,Oh what we got here again?????
It was a GS this time,a different opponent but,same result,outplayed,and what are the excuses now???
Murray is just weak.

[Destro]

Originally Posted by Buckethead

lol,Oh what we got here again?????
It was a GS this time,a different opponent but,same result,outplayed,and what are the excuses now???
Murray is just weak.

My English teacher would cry if she seen your posts, and she's Indian!

[Buckethead]

Originally Posted by Destro

My English teacher would cry if she seen your posts, and she's Indian!

She would kill herself if she saw what you just wrote.
If she seen???lol, I never had that lesson in my grammar classes,maybe it's because She is an Indian.
I'm sorry mopy Murray got another early exit,maybe at the AO He can have another chance to make to the semis.

[Destro]

Originally Posted by Destro

My English teacher would cry if she seen your posts, and she's Indian!

Exhibit A:

Originally Posted by Buckethead

She would kill herself if she saw what you just wrote.
If she seen???lol, I never had that lesson in my grammar classes,maybe it's because She is an Indian.
I'm sorry mopy Murray got another early exit,maybe at the AO He can have another chance to make to the semis.

[YodaKnowsBest]

I gotta agree here with bucket.
Murray was chasing balls after balls... lol he even was send into the audience after a great volley by Stan.
This guy doesnt deserve to be a favorite ever again.

[Buckethead]

Originally Posted by YodaKnowsBest

I gotta agree here with bucket.
Murray was chasing balls after balls... lol he even was send into the audience after a great volley by Sam.
This guy doesnt deserve to be a favorite ever again.

Another good thing would be if the stats cold give us the number of winners Murray hit from the base line only and see how many points He gets from his opponents errors.

[slice bh compliment]

That's easily the worst I've ever seen Muzzer. What a miserable little man.

Props to Wawrinka, though. Dude is playing some stout tennis.

[Bobby Jr]

Murry is totally primed to win the upcoming Aussie Open.

This was excellent planning by the Murray camp - to make people think he's playing poorly.. then BAM! he'll show them all.....

[bezs]

Once again living up to expectations he is.

[slice bh compliment]

Nice.^
By the way, I liked your work with the Happy Mondays and Black Grape.

EDIT: back on topic...it's mental with this kid. What a negative little jerk. Talented. Versatile. Miserable.

[kishnabe]

Murray can win a GS but will he win a GS-Never!
After the Australian Open...i thought maybe this guy learned how to play some aggresive tennis...but I don't think he has the baseline prowness of the top guys.

Sure he can hiug the court...but Nadal and many others can expose that and make him tired. Stan proved that today...making murray run like a mule! GS Contedor based on potential....but when does potential ever work out. Nalbandian and Safin for possibly most of his career had potential but never banked out!

Murray same thing!

[pmerk34]

Originally Posted by Bablu

I would hardly call it destroyed , especially when he was down matchpoint. He did play really well though and I was quite impressed.

Just another one of those instances when Murray wasn't aggressive enough, that 3rd set was quite passive from him.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL

[Fearhanded]

Originally Posted by batz

The only metric that matters is 2nd serve points won - because that's the outcome that matters. Whether those 2nd serve points come from aces/unreturnables or from rallying is an irrelevance - the process doesn't matter, the outcome does.

If Murray's second serve was as bad as you are making out, there is no way he would be able to win the number of second serve points he does - it would simply be put away by his opponent almost every time.

So much for the prediction in your signature, sir.

[Buckethead]

Poor Murray got destroyed once again and now by Ljubicic.
What happened now M fans?
What are the excuses now? No coach, He was sick, or it is just the lack of game.
This Mopy Murray guy will never win a major, I have said that 100 times.
He is too vulnerable and it takes only one match with an opponent inspired and He is out.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Buckethead

Poor Murray got destroyed once again and now by Ljubicic.
What happened now M fans?
What are the excuses now? No coach, He was sick, or it is just the lack of game.
This Mopy Murray guy will never win a major, I have said that 100 times.
He is too vulnerable and it takes only one match with an opponent inspired and He is out.

So losing in very small event that was used in the first place for practise purpose means the player won't win a slam title? No, it doesn't work that way.

Murray had a great AO and a great Wimbledon. It is just a matter of time that he gets the big W against his name at a slam event. Wait and watch.

[batz]

Originally Posted by Buckethead

Poor Murray got destroyed once again and now by Ljubicic.
What happened now M fans?
What are the excuses now? No coach, He was sick, or it is just the lack of game.
This Mopy Murray guy will never win a major, I have said that 100 times.
He is too vulnerable and it takes only one match with an opponent inspired and He is out.

Your candle doesn't burn any brighter because someone else's is diminshed, you do realise that don't you?

This was a no-lose week for you really wasn't it. If Murray won it would be a meaningless 500, now he has lost, the event takes on great importance.