2hbh, pass on your advice [vid]

[aimr75]

I have been using a 1hbh for quite some time, but have been dabbling a bit with the 2 hander.. its very new to me.. i've tried it a bit in the past but have not tried to learn it properly.. i am a relative noob with this shot..

Pass on any advice you might have to help improve it..

there are a few backhands in amongst the forehands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhKN_y1ZEU

cheers

[ho]

the funny thing about this site is if you do or said something wrong, there is a ton of rough answer right in your face.
otherwise they all disappear never see a thing !!!
That not because they are nice with you, just that they cannot find anythings to criticise you, and make them look smart !!
So if you do not see anybody answer you post, if means that you doing good. Real good in fact.
You are a talented young man thru the way you move, that first, your mechanic on forehand is almost perfect. only thing i can see is if you trail your arm behind your shoulder a little. you will hit harder.
i do not see any thing wrong with your 2hbh. a newly learn and i cannot see any flaw, you are a born gifted. If you can show the other side, it be better for me to find something to make me look smart, but so far, i fail.
Congratulation young man, a 4.5 is absolutely in your reach.

[Bud]

Originally Posted by aimr75

I have been using a 1hbh for quite some time, but have been dabbling a bit with the 2 hander.. its very new to me.. i've tried it a bit in the past but have not tried to learn it properly.. i am a relative noob with this shot..

Pass on any advice you might have to help improve it..

there are a few backhands in amongst the forehands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhKN_y1ZEU

cheers

Your 2HBH looks like a natural shot... agree with the poster above. However, in a video displaying your BH... hit more BH returns.

Let's see video of your 1HBH

[supineAnimation]

There's a lot of good stuff in your stroke, but you wanna try using your right arm more. It'll help you get your contact point farther out in front you. And you can extend your left arm towards your target longer through contact before you let your arms wrap around your right side. But you have a nice quiet torso and a smooth swing speed.

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Yes, you want to use your right arm more. Keep both arms extended the same at impact. And really step into the shot and use your body transfer as much as possible. And imo try to keep a flatter swing path which leads to a better follow through instead of a big low to high shot with a follow through over your shoulders like a golf swing.

[bhupaes]

Originally Posted by aimr75

I have been using a 1hbh for quite some time, but have been dabbling a bit with the 2 hander.. its very new to me.. i've tried it a bit in the past but have not tried to learn it properly.. i am a relative noob with this shot..

Pass on any advice you might have to help improve it..

there are a few backhands in amongst the forehands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhKN_y1ZEU

cheers

Jeez, man - you look like you've been doing it all your life! Great stuff!

[aimr75]

Originally Posted by ho

the funny thing about this site is if you do or said something wrong, there is a ton of rough answer right in your face.
otherwise they all disappear never see a thing !!!
That not because they are nice with you, just that they cannot find anythings to criticise you, and make them look smart !!
So if you do not see anybody answer you post, if means that you doing good. Real good in fact.
You are a talented young man thru the way you move, that first, your mechanic on forehand is almost perfect. only thing i can see is if you trail your arm behind your shoulder a little. you will hit harder.
i do not see any thing wrong with your 2hbh. a newly learn and i cannot see any flaw, you are a born gifted. If you can show the other side, it be better for me to find something to make me look smart, but so far, i fail.
Congratulation young man, a 4.5 is absolutely in your reach.

hey thanks!

Originally Posted by Bud

Let's see video of your 1HBH

I dont have much uploaded of the 1hbh,

some slo mo 1 handers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGcHUw_gR-Y

and a couple at the end of this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNlv6FNh70Q

Originally Posted by supineAnimation

There's a lot of good stuff in your stroke, but you wanna try using your right arm more. It'll help you get your contact point farther out in front you. And you can extend your left arm towards your target longer through contact before you let your arms wrap around your right side. But you have a nice quiet torso and a smooth swing speed.

interesting, i keep hearing about this left hand dominance thing, so i was trying to use less of the right arm, or am i being off track with this?

I noticed i dont extend enough through contact. Will work on this. Thanks

Originally Posted by Ultra2HolyGrail

Yes, you want to use your right arm more. Keep both arms extended the same at impact. And really step into the shot and use your body transfer as much as possible. And imo try to keep a flatter swing path which leads to a better follow through instead of a big low to high shot with a follow through over your shoulders like a golf swing.

When i looked back on it, i could see that my arms in the follow through seemed fairly "close" to the body as they wrap around.. as you say, like a golf swing.. but is it more an issue of extending through the shot, or the low to high?

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Originally Posted by aimr75

When i looked back on it, i could see that my arms in the follow through seemed fairly "close" to the body as they wrap around.. as you say, like a golf swing.. but is it more an issue of extending through the shot, or the low to high?

I would say extention. But if you like the low to high watch some slow mo of safin and nalbandians backhand. And watch the follow through after they hit the ball. It's going to be hard to get a golf follow through over your shoulder with the arms extended.

[aimr75]

Originally Posted by Ultra2HolyGrail

I would say extention. But if you like the low to high watch some slow mo of safin and nalbandians backhand. And watch the follow through after they hit the ball. It's going to be hard to get a golf follow through over your shoulder with the arms extended.

actually i like safin's 2 hander and would like to emulate his technique.. will need to work on the extension

Up until i shot this vid the night before, i hadnt actually tried hitting a 2 hander for over a year.. so will see how i go over the next few sessions

[supineAnimation]

Go with Nalbandian. Guy has the sickest two-hander since Agassi and uses both arms beautifully and exactly the way you should. Try finishing your stroke with the racquet on the other side of your right arm rather than over your shoulder. That'll help you extend more towards your target. A closed stance two-hander uses linear force, so you wanna step into the shot and use your legs to push your hips forward into the shot, and engage your core so your upper will slow down and allow your arms to come through with free energy. Try using your right arm for the entire takeback and the initiation of the forward swing before engaging your left.

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Originally Posted by aimr75

actually i like safin's 2 hander and would like to emulate his technique.. will need to work on the extension

Up until i shot this vid the night before, i hadnt actually tried hitting a 2 hander for over a year.. so will see how i go over the next few sessions

I'm sure you will figure it out. Whatever you get the most power with and feels natural will tell you. Don't put too much thought into extending, just keep it in mind. You just might need to hit through the ball a little more. Pace can be tough to generate with the two hander. I'm sure my techinique could probably be improved to get more pace. Maybe i am extending too much. I think i hit my backhand more like connors, a straight takeback and flat swing path. Safin, nalbandian-etc seem to have a low to high whippy kind of motion.

[aimr75]

supine, i will take a look at nalbandians, i havent focussed on his much

ultra, with the extension, i might just try the "hit through 3 balls" visualisation and see what happens.. it might help

[Nellie]

For good extension, it helps me to think of the 2hbh is a pushing (or punching) with the backhand side (your left) arm, rather than a swing.

Also, try to hold your max extension for 1 second and then finish over the shoulder to become more aware of your extension. It is one of those things where you swear you have good extension, but video will show otherwise. With good extension, you should feel like you might fall over but then step forward/ finish over the shoulder to recover your balance.

[ho]

Originally Posted by aimr75

hey thanks!
interesting, i keep hearing about this left hand dominance thing, so i was trying to use less of the right arm, or am i being off track with this?

you basicly hit with a pull stroke. the key of pull stroke is to extend your arm out STRAIGHT when the ball is hitted.
There is several ways to do it, but the easiest way is to drop your left hand to your chest and stay there. when you do that, you will stop the rotation of your left shoulder, by kinetic chain, your right shoulder will move forward, and you hit thru the ball.
stand near a wall use a pencil to mark your right shoulder where it finished in 3 different way:
1. left arm drop to the chest
2. left arm wave around
3. left arm point longer to the target

you will see which motion extend your shoulder more (means your arm will extended more)
look at the left hand of this guy. he may agree with me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ImeQaAyFPc

[aimr75]

Originally Posted by Nellie

For good extension, it helps me to think of the 2hbh is a pushing (or punching) with the backhand side (your left) arm, rather than a swing.

Also, try to hold your max extension for 1 second and then finish over the shoulder to become more aware of your extension. It is one of those things where you swear you have good extension, but video will show otherwise. With good extension, you should feel like you might fall over but then step forward/ finish over the shoulder to recover your balance.

thanks will try this

Originally Posted by ho

you basicly hit with a pull stroke. the key of pull stroke is to extend your arm out STRAIGHT when the ball is hitted.
There is several ways to do it, but the easiest way is to drop your left hand to your chest and stay there. when you do that, you will stop the rotation of your left shoulder, by kinetic chain, your right shoulder will move forward, and you hit thru the ball.
stand near a wall use a pencil to mark your right shoulder where it finished in 3 different way:
1. left arm drop to the chest
2. left arm wave around
3. left arm point longer to the target

you will see which motion extend your shoulder more (means your arm will extended more)
look at the left hand of this guy. he may agree with me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ImeQaAyFPc

ah, it was a reference to the left hand dominance with the 2hbh, but i see what you mean on the forehand

[panatta]

Nice shot, aimr75...
A question: for my two-handed backhand I use an extreme eastern grip for my dominant hand and a western grip for my non dominant.
Can someone tell me, please, which professional players use this combination of grips?
Thank you

[LeeD]

Well, your 1hbh slice is one of the worst, ugliest, least effort attempts ever, so you better not repeat that one ....ever.
Yeah, 2hbh looks on the way. Maybe more effort, try to hit the ball, not just return it from whence it came.

I have been experimenting with Borg's backhand technique. Anything wrong with that? low to high. letting go of the stick....

[LeeD]

Only problem is Borg's era, the ball was mostly LOW incoming, while modern daze, the ball his much higher incoming.
Letting go is a personal thing.
Borg was unusual. Low heartbeat, skinny legs, really stable torso, eyes like an eagle, steady head.

[ho]

Originally Posted by aimr75

thanks will try this ah, it was a reference to the left hand dominance with the 2hbh, but i see what you mean on the forehand

i'm sorry, i paste the wrong one, that's for forehand
on the 2hbh, several people use different technique, some hit with left hand, some hit with right hand, some hit with 60 left, 40 right and so on.
But the real power and easiest way to hit the 2hbh is to hit with your body. There is no hand in it, absolutely not. Only the rotation of your body, that about all you need to do. Body is your most powerfull muscle, why not use them ? check out most all pro, they rotate 2 arm and body in one unit forward, at contact, push out your arm and follow far out.
to me, 2hbh if you hit with your body, it's be the easiest stroke to do, there is no room for errors.
Really, i was surprise when people try to complicate the easiest mechanic.