2hbh, pass on your advice [vid]

[ho]

Originally Posted by panatta

Nice shot, aimr75...
A question: for my two-handed backhand I use an extreme eastern grip for my dominant hand and a western grip for my non dominant.
Can someone tell me, please, which professional players use this combination of grips?
Thank you

it's hard to know, but if you still have problem with your 2HBH, do not pay attention to the grip too much, the real power is rotate arm and body in one unit, hitting shoulder is under your chin at the beginning of the forward motion.
As far as grip, feel free to try different combination, (i use continental at the bottom and eastern on top, that alow me to hit thru the ball more). if some kind of combination that you see you can extend far out more, then that the favorite. 2HBH hit with your body, NO HAND IN IT set aside grip. until the ball is hitted, then the grip will give you the kind of extension out. As i see, you probably do not master your 2HBH yet. if you have a video, then we can help you out.
Do not try to complicate the stroke at all. Just remember one thing: hit with your body.

[aimr75]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Well, your 1hbh slice is one of the worst, ugliest, least effort attempts ever, so you better not repeat that one ....ever

The slice is my worst shot and i dont pay enough attention to it.. i obviously need to improve it, and i want to improve it, so i am not going to stop attempting it

Originally Posted by LeeD

Yeah, 2hbh looks on the way. Maybe more effort, try to hit the ball, not just return it from whence it came.

its a new shot for me, why would i be trying to hit out when i still need to understand the mechanics of the shot?

Originally Posted by ho

i'm sorry, i paste the wrong one, that's for forehand
on the 2hbh, several people use different technique, some hit with left hand, some hit with right hand, some hit with 60 left, 40 right and so on.
But the real power and easiest way to hit the 2hbh is to hit with your body. There is no hand in it, absolutely not. Only the rotation of your body, that about all you need to do. Body is your most powerfull muscle, why not use them ? check out most all pro, they rotate 2 arm and body in one unit forward, at contact, push out your arm and follow far out.
to me, 2hbh if you hit with your body, it's be the easiest stroke to do, there is no room for errors.
Really, i was surprise when people try to complicate the easiest mechanic.

no worries ho, thanks for that

[bhupaes]

aimr75, you have a very natural 2-hander. IMO, all you need to do is keep practicing it until you get a feel for what makes it work. Took me a long time to make it a weapon, but you'll probably get there much quicker than I. In the end, I got the best results when I tried to make my 2hbh as similar to a lefty forehand as I could. Hitting lefty forehands against the wall helped me a lot. All the best!

[aimr75]

^ thanks bhupaes

I went out and had a hit on the wall and tried to implement a few things, but mostly, still just trying to feel comfortable with it..

here is some slo mo (240fps) of the wall hit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhmmz1qWBRk

I threw in a couple slices backhands just for LeeD too

[Bud]

Originally Posted by aimr75

hey thanks!

I dont have much uploaded of the 1hbh,

some slo mo 1 handers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGcHUw_gR-Y

and a couple at the end of this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNlv6FNh70Q

interesting, i keep hearing about this left hand dominance thing, so i was trying to use less of the right arm, or am i being off track with this?

I noticed i dont extend enough through contact. Will work on this. Thanks

When i looked back on it, i could see that my arms in the follow through seemed fairly "close" to the body as they wrap around.. as you say, like a golf swing.. but is it more an issue of extending through the shot, or the low to high?

I like the look of your 2HBH better as it appears more fundamentally solid. It seems you're more of a natural 2HBH player.

As you play the 2-hander more you'll gradually work out the dominance between the right and left hands.

When I hit the 2HBH I try and visualize the same swing path as my SW FH while focusing on the left hand (SW left hand, continental right).

Originally Posted by aimr75

^ thanks bhupaes

I went out and had a hit on the wall and tried to implement a few things, but mostly, still just trying to feel comfortable with it..

here is some slo mo (240fps) of the wall hit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhmmz1qWBRk

I threw in a couple slices backhands just for LeeD too

It looks like it's coming along pretty well, IMO. After a year it will feel much more natural.

I was also one of those people who switched from a 1HBH to a 2HBH (about a year ago). I recall how little confidence I had in the stroke during matches... but I just persisted and forced myself to keep hitting it (rather than the slice).

Originally Posted by bhupaes

aimr75, you have a very natural 2-hander. IMO, all you need to do is keep practicing it until you get a feel for what makes it work. Took me a long time to make it a weapon, but you'll probably get there much quicker than I. In the end, I got the best results when I tried to make my 2hbh as similar to a lefty forehand as I could. Hitting lefty forehands against the wall helped me a lot. All the best!

Agreed. Your 2HBH looks like your natural shot. For me it felt weird, awkward, powerless, etc. I think you're ahead of most people who switch. Coming from a 1HBH, I assume you have a fairly decent slice... so you have an added benefit that many native 2HBH players never develop.

I know some guys who are 4.0+ with great 2HBH's... but I chuckle a bit when they attempt a slice (it's not pretty).

[aimr75]

^ thanks bud, actually my slice isnt the best since even with a 1hbh, i didnt use it much.. but you can see my slice (last 2 shots in that slo mo vid)

i dont mind developing my 2hbh and see where it goes.. one thing i like in particular was how much easier it was to deal with very deep balls..

[bhupaes]

Originally Posted by aimr75

here is some slo mo (240fps) of the wall hit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhmmz1qWBRk

I threw in a couple slices backhands just for LeeD too

Again, very good. And if that doesn't make LeeD happy, I don't know what will!

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by aimr75

^ thanks bhupaes

I went out and had a hit on the wall and tried to implement a few things, but mostly, still just trying to feel comfortable with it..

here is some slo mo (240fps) of the wall hit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhmmz1qWBRk

I threw in a couple slices backhands just for LeeD too

I like your 2h'er better than your slice. On the slice, you allow your wrist to straighten on the downswing just before contact, causing you to lose the angle of your arm to your racquet. This is an unecessary variable which will cause you to loose control of the shot. Try to lock the wrist in position so that your arm and racquet are at a fixed angle to each other, and maintain that angle throughout the swing and follow through.

The 2 hander looks like you've been doing it all of your life. Very natural.

[aimr75]

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter

I like your 2h'er better than your slice. On the slice, you allow your wrist to straighten on the downswing just before contact, causing you to lose the angle of your arm to your racquet. This is an unecessary variable which will cause you to loose control of the shot. Try to lock the wrist in position so that your arm and racquet are at a fixed angle to each other, and maintain that angle throughout the swing and follow through

^ thanks, will try not to break that "L" shape.. will keep that in mind, next time i have a hit

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter

The 2 hander looks like you've been doing it all of your life. Very natural.

again, thanks, comments like these are encouraging and unexpected..
cheers

[Sandwichman]

I agree, I think you're hitting the ball too close to your body.

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

Originally Posted by bhupaes

Jeez, man - you look like you've been doing it all your life! Great stuff!

Yeah... I actually like the backhand much more than the forehand.

The forehand could use more of your shoulders and hips into the shot. Your arm is generating most of the power but is so loose that you pretty much lose all of the power you got from rotating your shoulders and hips. Some looked absolutely solid, but that was when there was almost no delay from the shoulder rotation to contact. It seems like you are making contact too far out in front, and as a result you try to slow down your arm mid motion, and as a result end up losing a lot of power. With a two handed backhand, it's a little more difficult to pull this off as rotating your shoulders pretty much means the shot isn't going to stop until you finished your follow through.

If you need to work on anything, it's mostly going to be feel for the ball and confidence. The feel for the ball will just help you take a cut at the ball without fear that you hit it too short, too long, or too far off to the side; basically getting used to it and learning to work with it as a weapon.

[aimr75]

^ as ive been working on and developing the forehand, my arm/wrist has gotten more and more loose.. as seen here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEhvlZyz_8U

and i tend to hit out in front as i dont have much of a double bend.. but i dont think these are as much of the root of my problems on that wing than the hips/shoulder core rotation and how im utilising it.. i am aware of issues that i have on that wing.. i tend to lock my hips out with my footwork and tend to step out and unit turn in the wrong sequence.. this all leads to a loss in power due to inefficient loading.. there are many aspects of my game i have issues with, but slowly i am addressing them

[Dechizen]

Originally Posted by aimr75

I have been using a 1hbh for quite some time, but have been dabbling a bit with the 2 hander.. its very new to me.. i've tried it a bit in the past but have not tried to learn it properly.. i am a relative noob with this shot..

Pass on any advice you might have to help improve it..

there are a few backhands in amongst the forehands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhKN_y1ZEU

cheers

Wow technique wise it looks great, i think if you continue like that for a couple of months you will have a solid two hander

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

Originally Posted by aimr75

^ as ive been working on and developing the forehand, my arm/wrist has gotten more and more loose.. as seen here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEhvlZyz_8U

and i tend to hit out in front as i dont have much of a double bend.. but i dont think these are as much of the root of my problems on that wing than the hips/shoulder core rotation and how im utilising it.. i am aware of issues that i have on that wing.. i tend to lock my hips out with my footwork and tend to step out and unit turn in the wrong sequence.. this all leads to a loss in power due to inefficient loading.. there are many aspects of my game i have issues with, but slowly i am addressing them

Hitting out in front is okay if your body is still close enough to support it, but you're reaching for the ball. You're taking it out at least 6-12" farther out in front that you should.

Your shoulders should be driving your arm to the ball. And your hips (if you use them, which at this point you should) should be increasing the force you can generate with your shoulders. You get a little bit of hip action, and an okay shoulder action, but then you stop it because you're catching the ball so far out in front. You end up reaching for the ball and lose a lot of the power you got from loading.

You catch it so far out in front that your body realizes it and slows down to try and let the ball catch up. As a result, you end up guiding a lot of your forehands. Try letting the ball come in an extra split second and see how that goes. Let the shoulders drive the racket into the ball.

[aimr75]

Originally Posted by xFullCourtTenniSx

Try letting the ball come in an extra split second and see how that goes. Let the shoulders drive the racket into the ball.

will give this a go..

[papa]

Originally Posted by xFullCourtTenniSx

Hitting out in front is okay if your body is still close enough to support it, but you're reaching for the ball. You're taking it out at least 6-12" farther out in front that you should.

Your shoulders should be driving your arm to the ball. And your hips (if you use them, which at this point you should) should be increasing the force you can generate with your shoulders. You get a little bit of hip action, and an okay shoulder action, but then you stop it because you're catching the ball so far out in front. You end up reaching for the ball and lose a lot of the power you got from loading.

You catch it so far out in front that your body realizes it and slows down to try and let the ball catch up. As a result, you end up guiding a lot of your forehands. Try letting the ball come in an extra split second and see how that goes. Let the shoulders drive the racket into the ball.

Well, this sounds like something I would have said so I certainly agree with your assessment but not sure he's hitting the ball "that" far out front - you might be right but I think it may be just a couple of inches, he does overreach in one or two of the shots instead of waiting or moving his feet (little steps) which is what I would prefer.

Anyway, this guy is a good athlete/player and probably could go much further with a little help. The shots are lacking in "pop" which with some adjustments/work can be fairly simply corrected. Background noise must be somewhat confusing also.

[Djokovicfan4life]

Your one handed backhand is fine, from what I can remember. Why waste time learning a new stroke when you could use that time to make your one hander even better?

[aimr75]

^ i had an eye opening experience when i hit with a guy recently who at one time earned some ATP points. I was keeping up with him, particularly on the forehand wing, but he dismantled my backhand when he really started cranking it up.. obviously i am outside of his league, but it still made me question how stable i could be on that wing, hence dabbling with the 2hbh

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

Originally Posted by papa

Well, this sounds like something I would have said so I certainly agree with your assessment but not sure he's hitting the ball "that" far out front - you might be right but I think it may be just a couple of inches, he does overreach in one or two of the shots instead of waiting or moving his feet (little steps) which is what I would prefer.

The slow motion video he posted shows him clearly reaching.

[aimr75]

^ If i was over reaching in every forehand then there would be major problems, but i do not.. i may have a tendency to do so, but it is something which i dont think will be difficult to correct, so i dont think it really requires much further discussion, id rather this stick to the 2hbh as i originally posted anyway