Who won this point

[aceX]

Originally Posted by theZig

are you honestly asking this?

Yes, the tennis player guides the ball back into play. In this case I was not able to reach the ball but luckily some divine intervention guided the ball into play.

[aceX]

24.PLAYER LOSES POINT
The point is lost if:
b.The player does not return the ball in play before it bounces twice
consecutively

25.A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:
a.The ball touches the net,net posts/singles sticks,cord or metal cable,strap or
band,provided that it passes over any of them and hits the ground within the
correct court;except as provided in Rule 2 and 24 (d);or
b.After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24;or
c.The ball is returned outside the net posts,either above or below the level of
the top of the net,even though it touches the net posts ,provided that it hits
the ground in the correct court;except as provided in Rules 2 and 24 (d);or
d.The ball passes under the net cord between the singles stick and the adjacent
net post without touching either net,net cord or net post and hits the ground
in the correct court,or
e.The player ’s racket passes over the net after hitting the ball on the player ’s
own side of the net and the ball hits the ground in the correct court;or
f.The player hits the ball in play,which hits another ball lying in the correct
court.

Show me the rule which says my return wasn't good.

[jester911]

.After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24


The key word being played the ball. To play the ball you must hit it with your racket.

[aceX]

Originally Posted by jester911

To play the ball you must hit it with your racket.

I can't find this rule in the ITF rules. Which number is it?

[Roy125]

It's your opponent's point. It bounced inside your court first and then double-bounced. It doesn't really matter where the double-bounce is.

[Larrysümmers]

Originally Posted by Roy125

It's your opponent's point. It bounced inside your court first and then double-bounced. It doesn't really matter where the double-bounce is.

yep ^ this is how it goes.

[jester911]

I pulled the quote from your post.

25.A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:
a.The ball touches the net,net posts/singles sticks,cord or metal cable,strap or
band,provided that it passes over any of them and hits the ground within the
correct court;except as provided in Rule 2 and 24 (d);or
b.After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24;or
c.The ball is returned outside the net posts,either above or below the level of
the top of the net,even though it touches the net posts ,provided that it hits
the ground in the correct court;except as provided in Rules 2 and 24 (d);or
d.The ball passes under the net cord between the singles stick and the adjacent
net post without touching either net,net cord or net post and hits the ground
in the correct court,or
e.The player ’s racket passes over the net after hitting the ball on the player ’s
own side of the net and the ball hits the ground in the correct court;or
f.The player hits the ball in play,which hits another ball lying in the correct
court.

[aceX]

Originally Posted by jester911

I pulled the quote from your post.

25.A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:
a.The ball touches the net,net posts/singles sticks,cord or metal cable,strap or
band,provided that it passes over any of them and hits the ground within the
correct court;except as provided in Rule 2 and 24 (d);or
b.After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24;or
c.The ball is returned outside the net posts,either above or below the level of
the top of the net,even though it touches the net posts ,provided that it hits
the ground in the correct court;except as provided in Rules 2 and 24 (d);or
d.The ball passes under the net cord between the singles stick and the adjacent
net post without touching either net,net cord or net post and hits the ground
in the correct court,or
e.The player ’s racket passes over the net after hitting the ball on the player ’s
own side of the net and the ball hits the ground in the correct court;or
f.The player hits the ball in play,which hits another ball lying in the correct
court.

Oh sorry I meant where did you get the rule that says to play the ball you must hit it with your racquet

[jester911]

The key word being played the ball. To play the ball you must hit it with your racket.

You can't "play" the ball unless you hit it. I really find it hard to believe this is that hard to see.

[aceX]

Originally Posted by jester911

The key word being played the ball. To play the ball you must hit it with your racket.

Yeah this one. Where did you get that from?

[jester911]

Seriously you have a comprehension problem that I can't seem to get past. Just forget it and move on.

[aceX]

Originally Posted by jester911

Seriously you have a comprehension problem that I can't seem to get past. Just forget it and move on.

Dude there's no need to be like that. I'm honestly asking where in the rules is says "To play the ball you must hit it with your racket."

[HunterST]

Originally Posted by aceX

Dude there's no need to be like that. I'm honestly asking where in the rules is says "To play the ball you must hit it with your racket."

Why are you asking the question if you're going to argue when you get the answer? Everyone knows it was your opponent's point. I know it seems like a freak occurrence, but it happens quite frequently and everyone knows that's the rule.

Think about it. Why would it be your opponent's job to return his own shot?

[Roy125]

24. PLAYER LOSES POINT
The point is lost if:
a. The player serves two consecutive faults; or
b. The player does not return the ball in play before it bounces twice
consecutively; or
c. The player returns the ball in play so that it hits the ground, or before it
bounces, an object, outside the correct court; or
d. The player returns the ball in play so that, before it bounces, it hits a
permanent fixture; or
e. The receiver returns the service before it bounces; or
f. The player deliberately carries or catches the ball in play on the racket or
deliberately touches it with the racket more than once; or
g. The player or the racket, whether in the player’s hand or not, or anything
which the player is wearing or carrying touches the net, net posts/singles
sticks, cord or metal cable, strap or band, or the opponent’s court at any time
while the ball is in play; or
h. The player hits the ball before it has passed the net; or
i. The ball in play touches the player or anything that the player is wearing or
carrying, except the racket; or
j. The ball in play touches the racket when the player is not holding it; or
k. The player deliberately and materially changes the shape of the racket when
the ball is in play; or
l. In doubles, both players touch the ball when returning it.

There's no direct rule that says you must hit the ball with your racket (I think) but you will lose the point if you touch the ball with anything except your racket.

[Andres]

Originally Posted by aceX

Dude there's no need to be like that. I'm honestly asking where in the rules is says "To play the ball you must hit it with your racket."

Just to answer a couple of your previous questions:

24. PLAYER LOSES POINT
The point is lost if:

f. The player deliberately carries or catches the ball in play on the racket or
deliberately touches it with the racket more than once; or

i. The ball in play touches the player or anything that the player is wearing or
carrying, except the racket; or

[aceX]

Originally Posted by HunterST

Why are you asking the question if you're going to argue when you get the answer? Everyone knows it was your opponent's point. I know it seems like a freak occurrence, but it happens quite frequently and everyone knows that's the rule.

Think about it. Why would it be your opponent's job to return his own shot?

Honestly if someone shows me the rule in the ITF rulebook that says "To play the ball you must hit it with your racket." then I will say "Okay I lost the point".

It's my opponent's job to keep the ball in play. It bounced once on my side then onto his, just like the thousands of points I've ever played; it's still in play.

This is a case where I'm thinking for myself and won't just accept what people say and follow it like a sheep. If its in the official rules then I'll accept it since this is the sport I choose to play and without rules there would be no game.

[aceX]

Originally Posted by Andres

Just to answer a couple of your previous questions:

24. PLAYER LOSES POINT
The point is lost if:

f. The player deliberately carries or catches the ball in play on the racket or
deliberately touches it with the racket more than once; or

i. The ball in play touches the player or anything that the player is wearing or
carrying, except the racket; or

Wow so can you actually hit it twice if it's an accident?

[Andres]

Originally Posted by aceX

Honestly if someone shows me the rule in the ITF rulebook that says "To play the ball you must hit it with your racket." then I will say "Okay I lost the point".

It's my opponent's job to keep the ball in play. It bounced once on my side then onto his, just like the thousands of points I've ever played; it's still in play.

This is a case where I'm thinking for myself and won't just accept what people say and follow it like a sheep. If its in the official rules then I'll accept it since this is the sport I choose to play and without rules there would be no game.

25. A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:

After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net, the player reaches over the net and plays the ball into the correct court, provided that the player does not break Rule 24; or

You failed to do that, so you lost the point.

[Andres]

Originally Posted by aceX

Wow so can you actually hit it twice if it's an accident?

Yes. With one continuous swing. It's a miss-hit.

[aceX]

Originally Posted by Andres

25. A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:

After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net, the player reaches over the net and plays the ball into the correct court, provided that the player does not break Rule 24; or

You failed to do that, so you lost the point.

But what is the definition of "play" in the official rules?

Is using my telekinesis to get the ball back over "play"?