NJCAA restricts foreign players

[mikej]

Originally Posted by tennis5

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No offense Eliza, but this is a free country.

If you are so unhappy with the policies, maybe you should leave.

yeah! get out of here you foreign hippie! go back where you come from - enjoy your 20 hour work weeks and nude beaches!

the above is meant to be taken very seriously, especially since i spent approximately 20 seconds skimming this thread and barely know what you guys are talking about

[slice bh compliment]

Originally Posted by mikej

yeah! get out of here you foreign hippie! go back where you come from - enjoy your 20 hour work weeks and nude beaches!

the above is meant to be taken very seriously, especially since i spent approximately 20 seconds skimming this thread and barely know what you guys are talking about

LOL, man. This post represents what the American way has become.

DI is really, really not next, by the way.

My dear nazists: I am obliging. Take care, E

[jmverdugo]

Originally Posted by eliza

My dear nazists: I am obliging. Take care, E

Take this from another foreign living in the US, maybe your problem is not that you are a foreign, maybe is just the way you are, just a thought...

[mikej]

Originally Posted by eliza

My dear nazists: I am obliging. Take care, E

in that case, can you send me back some dragées?

ps - yes i have decided that you are french - and no i don't care to be corrected

[alb1]

The NJCAA has made a decision in reaction to concerns about the eligibility of older aged foreign athletes in their organization. They decided not to spend their time and money verifying eligibility and instead decided to limit and level the field by limiting the numbers of those possible on each team. It's their organization and it's their right to do so. They will monitor and evaluate the results of their actions and continue forward.

So now if Rafa wants to play at an American college, and Tyler and Laredo already have thier quota of foreign players, he'll just have to decide between Juco's in Alabama,Mississippi or another state, and the NAIA, D2, and D3 schools that he can attend.
Tennis players will adjust, colleges will adjust. Life goes on.

[ClarkC]

Seems like the NJCAA could just forbid the provision of out of state tuition differentials as athletic aid. After all, the local junior college is supposed to be supported by state and local taxpayers for the benefit of the local community, as many have pointed out.

So, if a tennis player from Illinois wants to go to Tyler JC in Texas, he has to pay at least the out of state tuition premium without using athletic aid. Ditto for the tennis player from Slovakia. Neither paid taxes for junior colleges in Texas, so what is the difference between foreign and out of state in this discussion?

[andfor]

Originally Posted by ClarkC

Seems like the NJCAA could just forbid the provision of out of state tuition differentials as athletic aid. After all, the local junior college is supposed to be supported by state and local taxpayers for the benefit of the local community, as many have pointed out.

So, if a tennis player from Illinois wants to go to Tyler JC in Texas, he has to pay at least the out of state tuition premium without using athletic aid. Ditto for the tennis player from Slovakia. Neither paid taxes for junior colleges in Texas, so what is the difference between foreign and out of state in this discussion?

Great points. I'd like to know..........

I think the bigger issue concerning college tennis and the prominence of foreigners playing in the ranks is as follows. Outside of the very few cases of a player not being able to play on a college tennis team he wants to play for due to foreigners taking the scholarships and roster spots is, why are Americans not more dominant at the DI level?

DI has removed the age factor so that argument is no longer valid.

I have never seen a documented case of a top ranked or highly competent High School tennis player actually being denied playing for the college of his or her choice. I am sure that it happens on a very, very limited basis. I contend if you could not make the team or get the attention of the coach in the first place, you likely are not the caliber of player for that program anyway.

There are plenty of colleges that are a fit for most any college tennis player.

Every American kid who wants to play at Florida, Georgia or Virginia is not going be good enough, sorry. When that's the case, they need to look to (follow me for example purposes) Florida Atlantic, Georgia Southern or Richmond and elsewhere if they really are committed to play college tennis. Many of those programs has resorted to getting foreigners because they can't find enough competent American tennis players in the first place interested in even going there.

I know of many, many highly ranked juniors, who chose not to play college tennis and just go to school at Alabama, Arkansas and Tennessee, and because foreigners were on the tennis team had nothing to do with not playing college tennis. Not saying there's anything wrong with the choice in any way to focus on academics. This is not a big part of the problem, just and observation and does not help the situation when qualified juniors quit the game after High School.

Originally Posted by jmverdugo

Take this from another foreign living in the US, maybe your problem is not that you are a foreign, maybe is just the way you are, just a thought...

Not a thought a truth. IT took you so long?????

[Coach Carter]

Originally Posted by goober

Community colleges are not the same as 4 year universities.

Their mission is to serve the local surrounding communities. Bringing in a lot of foreign star athletes as a stepping stone for athletes and coaches to move on to bigger and better positions at D1 colleges is not really in line with the mission IMO.

If you look at the coaches at these "community colleges" that are perennial winners and that's a small list of schools...these guys (and/or gals) aren't using the NJCAA as a stepping stone to the bigs. They treat the NJCAA as the bigs and enjoy trouncing everyone every year.

[Angle Queen]

Originally Posted by andfor

There are plenty of colleges that are a fit for most any college tennis player.

Every American kid who wants to play at Florida, Georgia or Virginia is not going be good enough, sorry. When that's the case, they need to look to (follow me for example purposes) Florida Atlantic, Georgia Southern or Richmond and elsewhere if they really are committed to play college tennis. Many of those programs has resorted to getting foreigners because they can't find enough competent American tennis players in the first place interested in even going there.

Thanks, andfor, for mentioning the University of Richmond program. Sure, they're not UVa (thank goodness ) but they have a fine academic and athletic reputation. Go Spiders!

[andfor]

Originally Posted by Angle Queen

Thanks, andfor, for mentioning the University of Richmond program. Sure, they're not UVa (thank goodness ) but they have a fine academic and athletic reputation. Go Spiders!

It is a good school with good athletics. My mention was in no way a slight. Lots of very good Americans. However, no Blue Chips or 5 Stars. Lots of 4 Star Americans and a couple of brothers from Mexico.

http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/team.asp?id=19

Women have had some luck pulling a few 5 stars.
http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/team.asp?id=810

[Angle Queen]

Originally Posted by andfor

It is a good school with good athletics. My mention was in no way a slight. Lots of very good Americans. However, no Blue Chips or 5 Stars. Lots of 4 Star Americans and a couple of brothers from Mexico.

http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/team.asp?id=19

Women have had some luck pulling a few 5 stars.
http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/team.asp?id=810

No slight intended. I thought it a compliment. And it's actually a few bros and sistas (or cousins) from Mexico. While me and my girls have watched a few of their matches, we're not "in tight" enough with that UR program to know their exact relations. Same last name, same HS resume. Spider Football...is another matter but I am lucky enough to be able to take a free "clinic" from the tennis staff at an upcoming alum event. Maybe it's time to make some "friends."

Still, your point is well-taken. Smaller (but still DI) schools are excellent landing spots for good kids.

[cmb]

Originally Posted by eliza

Sir, I am a resident and I pay taxes too.
Second, the same colleges make tons of money on foreigners, making them pay more than 3 times more the normal rate. Third, the fact your children are there should not be a automatic exclusion. Fourth: many US student-football/basketball/skating/tennis players are right now in Italy, where not only they can stay and study at ZERO costs, but also work at leisure.
I would just ask the same treatment........

Hold on a minute Eliza, I have been in Contact with Italian coaches in my effort to compete in Italian club tennis. The coaches were really interested to invite me, but there was ONE problem, Italian League Tennis is only open to people holding an ITALIAN PASSPORT, period! So before you generalize everything you have to admit, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Swiss, Dutch, Belguim tennis leagues have limits on how many foreign players are on a squad. I have played on Belguim, German, Dutch, and French teams for the last 6 years, and I have been the only foreigner allowed to compete on that Match Day. While I have not played in all of the countries I mentioned, I am familiar with the rules in many Euro countries.

I'm not saying its fair either way, but before we criticize the states, we have to acknowledge the fact that there are limits in Euro tennis, and also Basketball leagues as well...I'm not sure on the rules for basketball, but I heard there are some limits...Please correct me if I'm wrong on this. I don't want to be spewing false info here!! lol

Originally Posted by cmb

Hold on a minute Eliza, I have been in Contact with Italian coaches in my effort to compete in Italian club tennis. The coaches were really interested to invite me, but there was ONE problem, Italian League Tennis is only open to people holding an ITALIAN PASSPORT, period! So before you generalize everything you have to admit, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Swiss, Dutch, Belguim tennis leagues have limits on how many foreign players are on a squad. I have played on Belguim, German, Dutch, and French teams for the last 6 years, and I have been the only foreigner allowed to compete on that Match Day. While I have not played in all of the countries I mentioned, I am familiar with the rules in many Euro countries.

I'm not saying its fair either way, but before we criticize the states, we have to acknowledge the fact that there are limits in Euro tennis, and also Basketball leagues as well...I'm not sure on the rules for basketball, but I heard there are some limits...Please correct me if I'm wrong on this. I don't want to be spewing false info here!! lol

Sorry, this things get me excited, I am so involved with the local community, bring money here and then I get accused and attacked too...
Anyhow: I know of many players who did it, included two of my American cousins....So maybe they were not that interested in you after all......
But if you really want, I can ask them the contact info....

[goober]

Originally Posted by cmb

Hold on a minute Eliza, I have been in Contact with Italian coaches in my effort to compete in Italian club tennis. The coaches were really interested to invite me, but there was ONE problem, Italian League Tennis is only open to people holding an ITALIAN PASSPORT, period! So before you generalize everything you have to admit, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Swiss, Dutch, Belguim tennis leagues have limits on how many foreign players are on a squad. I have played on Belguim, German, Dutch, and French teams for the last 6 years, and I have been the only foreigner allowed to compete on that Match Day. While I have not played in all of the countries I mentioned, I am familiar with the rules in many Euro countries.

I'm not saying its fair either way, but before we criticize the states, we have to acknowledge the fact that there are limits in Euro tennis, and also Basketball leagues as well...I'm not sure on the rules for basketball, but I heard there are some limits...Please correct me if I'm wrong on this. I don't want to be spewing false info here!! lol

I understand what you are saying, but I don't see any validity in comparing private professional leagues in Europe to state supported educational schools in the US which are fielding amateur sports teams.

[cmb]

Originally Posted by eliza

Sorry, this things get me excited, I am so involved with the local community, bring money here and then I get accused and attacked too...
Anyhow: I know of many players who did it, included two of my American cousins....So maybe they were not that interested in you after all......
But if you really want, I can ask them the contact info....

Eliza, I know that Italian league accepts only Italian passports. I have heard from the coach I talked too. Also I heard from people with spanish passport who were also playing Italian futures tournaments.

I'm not going to sit here and call you a liar, because I don't have an axe to grind with you . Maybe it is just in the lower level divisions where they have this restriction. So I could be wrong.
But the point is ALL of the leagues I have played in the last 6 years have had restrictions on foreigners. SO why should the states be any different?

[cmb]

Originally Posted by goober

I understand what you are saying, but I don't see any validity in comparing private professional leagues in Europe to state supported educational schools in the US which are fielding amateur sports teams.

so what are you saying? are u against having limits on foreign players here in the states?

Originally Posted by cmb

Eliza, I know that Italian league accepts only Italian passports. I have heard from the coach I talked too. Also I heard from people with spanish passport who were also playing Italian futures tournaments.

I'm not going to sit here and call you a liar, because I don't have an axe to grind with you . Maybe it is just in the lower level divisions where they have this restriction. So I could be wrong.
But the point is ALL of the leagues I have played in the last 6 years have had restrictions on foreigners. SO why should the states be any different?

First: I read your previous fast, thought you were looking to study and play there. Secondly, sorry but what you say it is not true. There is no "passport"requirement (where did you even get that?), but any ID, address in Italy (where are you going to stay? ) and certificate by Italian doctor as to good health and good vision (we are required to have in in order to play) Please go to Fit.it and contact the Italian tennis federation.

[andfor]

Originally Posted by eliza

First: I read your previous fast, thought you were looking to study and play there. Secondly, sorry but what you say it is not true. There is no "passport"requirement (where did you even get that?), but any ID, address in Italy (where are you going to stay? ) and certificate by Italian doctor as to good health and good vision (we are required to have in in order to play) Please go to Fit.it and contact the Italian tennis federation.

For clarity, cmb is talking about playing Italian Club sponsored Team Tennis, not Italian Federation Tournaments.