Pacific Classic 1.25 x MSV Co-Focus 1.18

[Smasher08]

Oh -- and in other news, I'm now at the 42 hour mark with Setup 2, and have only had to add a couple of SSers. The longevity from this set looks to be unbelieveable.

[Racer41c]

I second (or is it third or forth?) the idea that string savers help with tension loss. Seems like I add them at the rate the gut frays and the string bed stays fairly consistent.

[Racer41c]

Originally Posted by Smasher08

Oh -- and in other news, I'm now at the 42 hour mark with Setup 2, and have only had to add a couple of SSers. The longevity from this set looks to be unbelieveable.

So Smasher is it safe to say that you just play the string job until it snaps? and your getting 50+ hours per?

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by Racer41c

So Smasher is it safe to say that you just play the string job until it snaps? and your getting 50+ hours per?

Yep to both.

Just remember that I pop in string savers whenever required, otherwise the longevity would be about half as long.

EDIT: the other thing to bear in mind is that my stick is 89 sq" with an 18x20 string pattern, which could very well be helping to prolong the strings more than a 95 sq" open patterned racket would. But in open patterned rackets with larger heads you could probably just use 16L mains and get the same performance and results.

[Smasher08]

Update - 54.25 hours (Set 2)

If anyone thought the longevity of the first set was pretty good, fasten your seatbelt.

What's incredible to me is that there's only 2 additional SSers in so far, mild to moderate notching in a few places, and a very small amount of fraying.

The feel and arm friendliness are still good -- much better than the first set which by this point had dozens and dozens of SSers in. The spin is great, the power is good, everything is just really nice and solid.

Great setup, dead poly and all.

EDIT: about 8 hours after writing this, I went over the strings really closely and ended up putting in 6 SSers, all on two of the outermost mains in the lower part of the hoop. The intersections in and around the sweet spot look ok.

[jk175d]

well smasher, I may be now understanding how you've said you don't like "dying" poly but "dead" poly is ok. I've been loving this set-up at the start but once the poly starts going dead I struggle with it. Starts to feel loose and spongey. But I perservered with this last stringjob through some of the struggles just because I didn't want to cut it out after just a week and a half. Suddenly tonight it seemed to cross into stable territory again and I was really liking the feel and trusting the control to swing out. It feels like the poly has settled into "dead" so it is very predictable and the gut mains keep the bed feeling soft and lively. I still prefer the crispness and overall playability of fresh strings but maybe I'll be able to get more life out of these than I first thought.

Only thing though is the mains are getting notched and frayed pretty good now so it may not be long before they break. Not sure exactly but probably around 25-30 hrs.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by jk175d

I've been loving this set-up at the start but once the poly starts going dead I struggle with it. Starts to feel loose and spongey. But I perservered with this last stringjob through some of the struggles just because I didn't want to cut it out after just a week and a half. Suddenly tonight it seemed to cross into stable territory again and I was really liking the feel and trusting the control to swing out.

That's pretty much how I experience it too. For me there seems to be a 4-6 hour window starting around the 22 hour mark where the strings seem half alive half dead, and it's annoying and weird and inconsistent feeling and my shots can get erratic. But then once the crosses are dead, all of a sudden it's fine again.

Like a weird rite of passage.

[Posture Guy]

And no arm issues once it goes dead, huh?

Around 20-30 hours for me, I get what you're talking about, but if I keep playing with it, my arm starts to get sore.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by Posture Guy

And no arm issues once it goes dead, huh?

Around 20-30 hours for me, I get what you're talking about, but if I keep playing with it, my arm starts to get sore.

No arm issues at all for me -- and I'm a guy who blew out his shoulder using poly mains.

[jk175d]

Originally Posted by Posture Guy

And no arm issues once it goes dead, huh?

Around 20-30 hours for me, I get what you're talking about, but if I keep playing with it, my arm starts to get sore.

not for me but I'm playing EXO3 Tour which is extremely soft. And my poly crosses are down at 45-47lbs

[jk175d]

Originally Posted by Smasher08

That's pretty much how I experience it too. For me there seems to be a 4-6 hour window starting around the 22 hour mark where the strings seem half alive half dead, and it's annoying and weird and inconsistent feeling and my shots can get erratic. But then once the crosses are dead, all of a sudden it's fine again.

Like a weird rite of passage.

the tricky thing is to muddle through that unpleasant window.

[Smasher08]

Update - Set 3 - 0.5 hours

Just an fyi, I strung up a new set last night at 49 x 45 lbs and holy moley I like it. Sure seems like there's more power, more spin, and more touch right off the bat.

Keep in mind that I lead my sticks up to 362g, but my initial impression is that I definitely see the benefit of stringing a few pounds below your minimum recommended tension.

It's the first set of gut I've strung myself since I got my X-6, and it was definitely a learning experience. I definitely have a new appreciation for how delicate gut is -- while I did take my time and go extra slow, on two occasions I think I mildly kinked it. A small section (5mm or so) went white in each place, and I was concerned that it would pop on my strnger, but one of the places was on an outermost main and the other ended up being between cross junctions near the middle mains but well below the sweet spot. This morning both white spots have lost a good deal of their whiteness and are hardly noticeable. I'll definitely be keeping my eye on them, but hopefully I've dodged a bullet since they made it through the night and made it through half an hour of hitting.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by jk175d

not for me but I'm playing EXO3 Tour which is extremely soft. And my poly crosses are down at 45-47lbs

I wonder if what he's experiencing is tension related -- afterall I doubt my MGPMs are soft. It's certainly possible that dropping his tension could help.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by Posture Guy

And no arm issues once it goes dead, huh?

Around 20-30 hours for me, I get what you're talking about, but if I keep playing with it, my arm starts to get sore.

What's the recommended tension range for your racket? Offhand your tensions sound pretty high, and poly in the 40s is a very different beast than poly in the 50s.

[Smasher08]

Ever since I popped my 1.30 x 1.23 hybrid by playing in wet conditions last fall, I've been looking for a backup stringjob that can be used when the ground is still damp.

Here's a new thread I've started to discuss what hybrids work & don't work.

[GlenK]

My initial test racquet with Wilson Nat Gut/CoFocus 1.18 is still going strong @ 20 hours. I have two more racquets with the same set up and did the last two at the same time.
They each have about 9-10 hours.

Playability has remained very good and tension maintenance is excellent. It seems to drop approx 10% in the first 10 hours then sits there for a while.

[Posture Guy]

Smasher....thanks, looking forward to reading that thread. I've asked myself the same question.

GlenK....how would you compare the playability of Wilson Nat Gut in this hybrid setup versus Pacific Classic?

I've got some Wilson Nat Gut and Prince Gut to try in comparison, just haven't got to stringing them up yet.

[GlenK]

I have not tried Pacific Classic with CoFocus. I tried Classic with Lux Supersense and the Classic (as compared to the WNG) was a bit stiffer.

[polytheist]

Just went back to Klip Legend Tour / Cofocus 1.18. Ah...so lightly crispy and plenty of power and spin. It's like reuniting with an old friend. Instant +0.25 NTRP. The only challenge is remastering the drop shot, this stuff needs a seriously light touch to nail those droppers.

[finalfantasy7]

ive been after msv cofocus for along time, carnt find it anywhere in UK/europe - only the hex, hepta twist which i dont want.

still carnt believe tenniswarehouse europe doesnt sell alot of strings
dont want to buy it in america due to i get hit by import tax - delivery too expensive.

anyone know of a site which seels it in UK/europe email me pleasee