ethics question

wttfan · 09-22-2011, 02:44 PM

If you are a local teaching pro, rated 4.5, and you form a WTT team with two other 4.0 players, and one 3.5 player (who is probably good enough to be 4.0); do you play at 4.0 level or play 4.5 level?

JoelDali · 09-22-2011, 03:05 PM

4.0

Its about winning. If it wasn't then stick to the mixed dubs and hitting against a wall at the park and snort Cortex with poseurs.

Eye of the fuching tiger.

Honour. Courage. Pacific products.

Pen. Towel. PaperWait = Glory

Timbo's hopeless slice · 09-22-2011, 03:06 PM

what Joel is trying to say is play at 4.5...

wttfan · 09-22-2011, 04:43 PM

Thanks for the reply, Tim. As for "Joel", he selected 4.0. I'm glad you at least gave a response, but your commentary was superfluous.

beernutz · 09-22-2011, 04:49 PM

6. DETERMINING RATINGS OF PLAYERS AND THE APPROPRIATE DIVISION FOR A TEAM:
All players must have an NTRP rating. Ratings on file with the USTA, the start of the local league, will be used. Since all sections do not use the “early start ratings”, they will not be recognized by WTT.
If at the start of the local league a player does not have a rating on file with the USTA , WTT will accept a self-rating. This self-rating is subject to the approval of the local league director and the WTT National Office upon completion of a USTA Player Profile sheet.

- Ratings will only be accepted on a .5 basis (i.e., 3.5, not 3.4).
- The average NTRP rating of the TOP two men and TOP two women is used to determine a team’s level of competition. (Example of top 4 players: 4.0 + 3.5 + 3.0 + 3.0 = 13.5. 13.5 divided by 4 players = 3.375. This team would register for the 3.5 & under division.)
- No team may carry a player more than one NTRP point above the division entered.

</WTTrules>

Seems pretty clear cut to me. What are the NTRP ratings for the top two male and female members of the team in question?

josofo · 09-22-2011, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beernutz

6. DETERMINING RATINGS OF PLAYERS AND THE APPROPRIATE DIVISION FOR A TEAM:
All players must have an NTRP rating. Ratings on file with the USTA, the start of the local league, will be used. Since all sections do not use the “early start ratings”, they will not be recognized by WTT.
If at the start of the local league a player does not have a rating on file with the USTA , WTT will accept a self-rating. This self-rating is subject to the approval of the local league director and the WTT National Office upon completion of a USTA Player Profile sheet.

- Ratings will only be accepted on a .5 basis (i.e., 3.5, not 3.4).
- The average NTRP rating of the TOP two men and TOP two women is used to determine a team’s level of competition. (Example of top 4 players: 4.0 + 3.5 + 3.0 + 3.0 = 13.5. 13.5 divided by 4 players = 3.375. This team would register for the 3.5 & under division.)
- No team may carry a player more than one NTRP point above the division entered.

</WTTrules>

Seems pretty clear cut to me. What are the NTRP ratings for the top two male and female members of the team in question?

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cknobman · 09-23-2011, 07:42 AM

josofo and beernutz both pretty much nailed it here.

There really isnt any "ethics" to question here.

You have to register for the level of play your players average out to.

I played the Texas WTT this summer (at 4.0) and there were several 4.5 players on 4.0 teams because those teams carried 3.5's that lowered the weighted average down.

Those teams did not have any "advantage" when playing in the tournament. Even a good 3.5 is still a 3.5 regardless of if you think they should be 4.0. Remember top 3.5's are typically bottom 4.0's so unless your WTT team has really lower level 4.0's then you should have no issues competing against good 3.5's.

Beauty of the WTT format is that your 4.5's dont really make a huge difference since its a team event and there are so many different formats/combinations. Sure you can stick a 4.5 at singles but then you still have doubles and mixed doubles. Sure a team can play the 4.5 on all lines but then they are gambling because your 4.5 will likely start getting tired and not play all that great.

Having a 4.5 will only get you so much in the long run.

I had a ton of fun doing the WTT this summer and was not bothered one bit by playing 4.5's. In fact I played a 4.5 in mens singles and had a blast. Sure I lost but I was very competitive and the singles lasted a very long time with many games going to deuce.

09-22-2011, 02:44 PM	#1
wttfan New User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2	ethics question If you are a local teaching pro, rated 4.5, and you form a WTT team with two other 4.0 players, and one 3.5 player (who is probably good enough to be 4.0); do you play at 4.0 level or play 4.5 level?

09-22-2011, 03:05 PM	#2
JoelDali Legend Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 8,948	4.0 Its about winning. If it wasn't then stick to the mixed dubs and hitting against a wall at the park and snort Cortex with poseurs. Eye of the fuching tiger. Honour. Courage. Pacific products. Pen. Towel. PaperWait = Glory __________________ There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live and too rare to die.

09-22-2011, 03:06 PM	#3
Timbo's hopeless slice Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,103	what Joel is trying to say is play at 4.5... __________________ 5.0 all courter. Betting the house on black 7 spades.. (Volkl X-7 310 WITH CYCLONE @ 55) "Tennis isn't easy" - Corners

09-22-2011, 04:49 PM	#5
beernutz Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: expanding my Ignore List Posts: 3,334	6. DETERMINING RATINGS OF PLAYERS AND THE APPROPRIATE DIVISION FOR A TEAM: All players must have an NTRP rating. Ratings on file with the USTA, the start of the local league, will be used. Since all sections do not use the “early start ratings”, they will not be recognized by WTT. If at the start of the local league a player does not have a rating on file with the USTA , WTT will accept a self-rating. This self-rating is subject to the approval of the local league director and the WTT National Office upon completion of a USTA Player Profile sheet. Ratings will only be accepted on a .5 basis (i.e., 3.5, not 3.4). The average NTRP rating of the TOP two men and TOP two women is used to determine a team’s level of competition. (Example of top 4 players: 4.0 + 3.5 + 3.0 + 3.0 = 13.5. 13.5 divided by 4 players = 3.375. This team would register for the 3.5 & under division.) No team may carry a player more than one NTRP point above the division entered. </WTTrules> Seems pretty clear cut to me. What are the NTRP ratings for the top two male and female members of the team in question? __________________ I have come to the conclusion that people who respond to forum posts with "tl;dnr" should really be writing "add;dnr". Last edited by beernutz : 09-22-2011 at 04:51 PM.

09-23-2011, 07:42 AM	#7
cknobman Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Saudi Arabia Posts: 4,690	josofo and beernutz both pretty much nailed it here. There really isnt any "ethics" to question here. You have to register for the level of play your players average out to. I played the Texas WTT this summer (at 4.0) and there were several 4.5 players on 4.0 teams because those teams carried 3.5's that lowered the weighted average down. Those teams did not have any "advantage" when playing in the tournament. Even a good 3.5 is still a 3.5 regardless of if you think they should be 4.0. Remember top 3.5's are typically bottom 4.0's so unless your WTT team has really lower level 4.0's then you should have no issues competing against good 3.5's. Beauty of the WTT format is that your 4.5's dont really make a huge difference since its a team event and there are so many different formats/combinations. Sure you can stick a 4.5 at singles but then you still have doubles and mixed doubles. Sure a team can play the 4.5 on all lines but then they are gambling because your 4.5 will likely start getting tired and not play all that great. Having a 4.5 will only get you so much in the long run. I had a ton of fun doing the WTT this summer and was not bothered one bit by playing 4.5's. In fact I played a 4.5 in mens singles and had a blast. Sure I lost but I was very competitive and the singles lasted a very long time with many games going to deuce. __________________ Wilson 2012 Pro Tour BLX 16x20, very close to my Dunlop Bio 200 lite with more power. Donnay X-Hybrid a true hidden (and cheap) gem of a hybrid.