NFL 2011 discussion thread! - Page 11

Ronaldo · 12-18-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifth Set

I'm pretty sure the AFC West teams could beat their own cheerleaders in a football game.

Wouldn't bet the house on it though!

Not if they play like these ladies, http://www.lfl360.com/articles/game-...passion-final/

jamesblakefan#1 · 12-18-2011, 06:26 PM

2nd worst team in the AFC West beating the best team in the AFC. Again, this is the worst division in the NFL? Anyone want to retract that statement?

hollywood9826 · 12-18-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

2nd worst team in the AFC West beating the best team in the AFC. Again, this is the worst division in the NFL? Anyone want to retract that statement?

This game is going the way any typical Raven game on the west coast goes. And its a typical late season run by SD that they pull off every year.

Seattle proved that record doesn't matter just get in the dance and anyone can win.

adamX012 · 12-18-2011, 06:37 PM

Anyone saw the game this late afternoon

Philly won.

Can't wait for a super party in Feb.

soyizgood · 12-18-2011, 07:32 PM

The Chargers are making their usual late season charge....

djNEiGht · 12-19-2011, 01:08 PM

i went to my first nfl/football game (chargers v ravens). had a great time! throat is sore...almost lost my voice. great seats...and i'm kicking myself for not bringing my camera (dslr) as i didn't want to worry about it...

maverick66 · 12-19-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

2nd worst team in the AFC West beating the best team in the AFC. Again, this is the worst division in the NFL? Anyone want to retract that statement?

and the team winning that division got smoked by the leading AFC east team so whats your point?

jamesblakefan#1 · 12-19-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick66

and the team winning that division got smoked by the leading AFC east team so whats your point?

And the Saints lost to the Rams, so I guess they just plain suck. Same with the overrated Packers losing to the Chiefs. (note: I don't think the Saints suck or the Pack are overrated, I'm just being facetious)

Point is, the AFC West certainly isn't as bad as Fifth Set seems to think it is. I'd say the AFC West top to bottom is better than the NFC East, which is overrated year after year after year. The Giants and Cowboys both choke in December. The Redskins are a joke yet somehow still swept the Giants. And the Eagles sucked for the first 3 months yet could still somehow win the division.

thug the bunny · 12-20-2011, 06:35 AM

Cmon man. Everyone knows the AFC W and NFC W are the worst divs in football.

jamesblakefan#1 · 12-20-2011, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by thug the bunny

Cmon man. Everyone knows the AFC W and NFC W are the worst divs in football.

Based on what? The worst team in the NFC West beat the 3rd best team in the NFC, the Seahawks slaughtered the Eagles and beat the Giants, the Cards beat the Boys, and the Niners just smoked the Steelers and have the 2nd best record in the NFL. So it's obviously not the NFC West.

The NFC East year after year is overrated. Only reason people think it is great is the East Coast bias of the media in overhyping the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants. This year it's the worst division in the NFL. Nothing wrong with that, at least I'm not slandering it and saying they don't deserve a playoff spot like that guy is to the AFC West.

r2473 · 12-20-2011, 07:10 AM

I hope the Eagles make the playoffs / win the super bowl.

That would be awesome.

Ronaldo · 12-20-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by r2473

I hope the Eagles make the playoffs / win the super bowl.

That would be awesome.

You mean Awful.

soyizgood · 12-20-2011, 07:32 AM

49ers still need to improve the passing game, but a win over the Steelers is great.

thug the bunny · 12-20-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Based on what? The worst team in the NFC West beat the 3rd best team in the NFC, the Seahawks slaughtered the Eagles and beat the Giants, the Cards beat the Boys, and the Niners just smoked the Steelers and have the 2nd best record in the NFL. So it's obviously not the NFC West.

The NFC East year after year is overrated. Only reason people think it is great is the East Coast bias of the media in overhyping the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants. This year it's the worst division in the NFL. Nothing wrong with that, at least I'm not slandering it and saying they don't deserve a playoff spot like that guy is to the AFC West.

So what? And the Giants beat the Pats. Just cause the Chefs beat the Pack does not mean the Pack suck or the AFC W is great. Single game upsets here and there do not a team, or a season, or a division, make.

I would like to see the inter-divisional records for the past few years, but don't have the time...anyone?

Fifth Set · 12-20-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by thug the bunny

So what? And the Giants beat the Pats. Just cause the Chefs beat the Pack does not mean the Pack suck or the AFC W is great. Single game upsets here and there do not a team, or a season, or a division, make.

I would like to see the inter-divisional records for the past few years, but don't have the time...anyone?

My research department is a bunch of lazy bums but I think the current standings kind of speak for themselves. The AFC West will not offer up a wildcard team this year and the division winner will be a waste of space in the playoffs.

It wasn't always this way. Each and every AFC West team has had some great years in the not too distant past.

The problem is that not a one of them is a great FRANCHISE today. So, say what you will about Tebow (and the Broncos are basically my favorite team) or occasional flashes of talent from San Diego, it will be hard for any one of them to compete for a championship anytime soon.

jamesblakefan#1 · 12-20-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifth Set

My research department is a bunch of lazy bums but I think the current standings kind of speak for themselves. The AFC West will not offer up a wildcard team this year and the division winner will be a waste of space in the playoffs.

It wasn't always this way. Each and every AFC West team has had some great years in the not too distant past.

The problem is that not a one of them is a great FRANCHISE today. So, say what you will about Tebow (and the Broncos are basically my favorite team) or occasional flashes of talent from San Diego, it will be hard for any one of them to compete for a championship anytime soon.

The NFC East will not offer up a wildcard team this year and the division winner will be a waste of space in the playoffs. See how easy that was?

The standings? You mean the ones where the NFC East leader is 8-6, 2nd place 7-7, 3rd place 6-8, last place 5-9 vs AFC West 8-6, 7-7, 7-7, 6-8?

NFC East is 7-8 vs AFC opponents, AFC West is 8-7 vs NFC opponents

In non-division games
Denver 5-3
Oakland 5-5
SD 5-4
KC 4-6
Total - 19-18

Dallas 6-4
NYG 5-4
Philly 3-7
Wash 3-6
Total - 17-21

CCNM · 12-20-2011, 12:37 PM

Congratulations to the Colts on their first win. Loved the look on Aaron Rogers' face after their loss-the eye roll and half-smile. The American TV show Saturday Night Live did a great spoof of Tebow's praying-he and the team are confronted by Jesus, who tells them he's got 7 billion other people to help out and he can't just drop everything for them. Really funny.

thug the bunny · 12-21-2011, 06:20 AM

Thanks jbf1 for doing the legwork. OK, I will concede that the NFC E this year is less than sparkling and the AFC W is making a decent show for their standards. There are so many ways to determine whether one group of teams is better than another, though. How about total points for and against for the past 5 yrs?

It is just generally agreed that the NFC E is historically a tough division (along with NFC N) where the teams beat the snot out of each other and they usually end up splitting their matchups. Thus, given the splits, the NFC E division leader already has 3 losses on their record, whereas in a softer division, the front runner can oftern sweep.

Speaking of historical, how about SB appearences for a metric? I did the legwork for this one:

AFC W: 12
NFC E: 19

jamesblakefan#1 · 12-21-2011, 07:14 AM

No one is arguing about history, just this year. Cowboys, Giants, Skins, and Eagles (even though they have 0 SB titles) are all historically strong franchises. But that along with the East Coast bias of the media/ESPN leads to them being put to a higher status in people's minds.

The Raiders are thought of as a joke since 2002 (and in fairness have been) but still have as many playoff wins since 1996 as the Skins and Cowboys combined (4). Yet every year all we hear about is how this is 'the year' for the Cowboys, and how Redskins/Cowboys is one of the greatest rivalries in sports. People act like it's been decades since the Raiders were championship contenders, when we've been contenders more recently than the perenially overhyped Cowboys for one.

But getting back on topic, I'm not making the argument that the AFC West is historically > than NFC East, not that it matters since this is a 2011 discussion. And for 2011 IMO the AFC West is slightly stronger top to bottom.

thug the bunny · 12-21-2011, 10:15 AM

I agree about the 'Girls being over-hyped (who first invented "America's Team" anyway?). And maybe the Foreskins too. But the Gmen never seem to be on anyone's radar no matter how good they are. Despite a good 1st half of the season with injuries and record setting performances by Eli, no one was talking about them at that time. Whatever..

I think maybe the Raiders rep got tainted by the Jamarcus Russell debacle. They were pretty damn bad for a while there..

BTW, I love the Eagles SB bagel fact. It's always my ace in the hole when I'm debating with an unruly Eagles fan (and they're ALL unruly).

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