Tsonga or Murray: Who will win a major in 2012

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by batz

PMSL - yeah - because this poll matters, right?


He had set point in the AO 2010 final. If he had taken that point and gone on to lose the match his chances of winning a slam today would be exactly the same as if he hadn't taken the set.

It's just another stick that bashers use - that and playing down his achievements (by using terms like 'several' when the word they are looking for is 'eight') and implying that there might be some doubt that he isn't the best player not to win a slam in the open era.

You might give Tsonga way better odds but the folk that do it for a living make him as high as 30/1 for the AO - Murray is 7/1 at best. I guess that might be something to do with Murray having made 300 percent more slam finals than Tsonga despite being younger.

If the poll had Murray winning by a landslide I have a funny feeling you would say it matters quite a bit.

Point is, to date, Murray has been pretty handily dispatched in every Major final he has played. He got straight setted in all of them. When he gets to a major final, he doesn't seem all that capable right now of taking advantage of the moment, in spite of all of his Masters Shields and his being ranked in the top 4 for quite a while now. Safina made 3 slam finals on the WTA and people still considered her a total joke and not all to likely to ever win a major either. Just because he has been to 3 major finals doesn't mean he is anymore likely to win one anytime soon then Tsonga is especially given who the other people in the top 3 are.

Right now, for Murray to win a major, and probably Tsonga to, Nadal, Novak and Fed would all need to get knocked out early by other people, as I highly doubt Tsonga or Murray could beat 2 of them back to back to win a major right now.

[fps]

Originally Posted by All-rounder

Yet has failed to even win a set in a slam final......

I didn't say either one was going to win a slam, but if one of them is, it's going to be Murray. His hand-eye coordination is amazing. I think he's had a coaching team of yes-men for too long, didn't like Gilbert telling him what to do, maybe he'll listen to Lendl, the downside being Lendl isn't as much of a coach.

[batz]

Originally Posted by boredone3456

If the poll had Murray winning by a landslide I have a funny feeling you would say it matters quite a bit.

Point is, to date, Murray has been pretty handily dispatched in every Major final he has played. He got straight setted in all of them. When he gets to a major final, he doesn't seem all that capable right now of taking advantage of the moment, in spite of all of his Masters Shields and his being ranked in the top 4 for quite a while now. Safina made 3 slam finals on the WTA and people still considered her a total joke and not all to likely to ever win a major either. Just because he has been to 3 major finals doesn't mean he is anymore likely to win one anytime soon then Tsonga is especially given who the other people in the top 3 are.

Right now, for Murray to win a major, and probably Tsonga to, Nadal, Novak and Fed would all need to get knocked out early by other people, as I highly doubt Tsonga or Murray could beat 2 of them back to back to win a major right now.

Erm, no. For the record - no poll on this or any other tennis messageboard matters. Ever.


We're not talking about the WTA, we're talking about the ATP - Safina is a complete irrelevance.

Murray has beaten Nadal in slams. He has played Novak once in slams and Roger twice and lost - if you think those sample of 1 and 2 respectively are an absolute guarantee that he cannot beat Novak or Roger if they meet in a slam in future (despite having beaten both in other matches on more than one occasion) then you probably don't understand the unpredictable nature of sport.

No man who has made 3 slam finals has ended his career slamless. No man who has made the semis of all 4 slams in a single season has ended his career slamless. These are the facts. Only time will tell if Murray will be the first man to 'break' those records - but the portents look good for him.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by batz

No man who has made 3 slam finals has ended his career slamless. No man who has made the semis of all 4 slams in a single season has ended his career slamless.

There's always a first time for everything. . . .

[batz]

Originally Posted by Smasher08

There's always a first time for everything. . . .

Agreed - I said as much in post.