Help: How do you serve wide on Deuce Court?

bhallic24 · 01-02-2012, 05:40 PM

I have a decent serve. So so on second serve. But I can usually aim it down the T and out wide on the ad side, but I can not for the life of me hit a even decent out wide serve on the deuce side.

I've tried throwing the ball further right (usually just turns into a slice right into the opponent's wheelhouse (ie their forehand)). HItting with less pace and more slice (gets crushed by the opponent). Trying to hit hard and aim for the angle out wide (usually goes into the net). standing further to the right before serving (doesn't work, and the opponent knows to expect something out wide and they just crush it with their forehand).

I'm at a loss. I've watched pros do it like its nothing and I can't even hit it 1 out of 10 tries. HELP!

SoBad · 01-02-2012, 05:47 PM

Sounds like a psychological issue - your second serve is weak wherever you place it and you just need to be prepared to start second serve points on the defensive.

wings56 · 01-02-2012, 06:15 PM

cant really say much without seeing a video. the toss shouldnt matter too much. my best serve is a slice that i throw over my left shoulder (i'm a righty) that looks like its going to be a kick but i bring the racquet around the right side of the ball for a nasty slice out wide. its all about the control of the racquet around the ball. just need to practice

zapvor · 01-02-2012, 06:55 PM

yea first we need a video. 2nd....its questions like this that make me laugh. that's like asking, i can turn left, but i can't turn right. how do i turn right?

NE1for10is? · 01-02-2012, 07:02 PM

It's over the higher part of the net, so take a little of the pace off of it. You can add more pace to it later when you get the hang of it.

fruitytennis1 · 01-02-2012, 07:12 PM

Practice this...
Take a 2 steps farther to the right
Make the toss so it is to the right of you and if you leave it alone it will bounce on the baseline
Hit a topslice serve

wings56 · 01-02-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by zapvor

yea first we need a video. 2nd....its questions like this that make me laugh. that's like asking, i can turn left, but i can't turn right. how do i turn right?

+1 epic lulz.

zapvor · 01-02-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wings56

+1 epic lulz.

yea seriously....lol i mean if you can serve, you can serve.

Spring Pools · 01-02-2012, 09:07 PM

Can you slice?

86golf · 01-04-2012, 04:16 AM

Are you opening your shoulders up too soon? This is common as people want to turn to the left too soon, trying to hit to the left (righty slice). Are you hitting the outside of the ball while still swinging up?
Without seeing a video, it is hard to tell what is going on.

As a stop gap, you can just rotate your body and aim your kicker short and wide in the deuce court. I love this serve as a change up. With the topspin you can hit it very short in the court.

Limpinhitter · 01-04-2012, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bhallic24

I have a decent serve. So so on second serve. But I can usually aim it down the T and out wide on the ad side, but I can not for the life of me hit a even decent out wide serve on the deuce side.

I've tried throwing the ball further right (usually just turns into a slice right into the opponent's wheelhouse (ie their forehand)). HItting with less pace and more slice (gets crushed by the opponent). Trying to hit hard and aim for the angle out wide (usually goes into the net). standing further to the right before serving (doesn't work, and the opponent knows to expect something out wide and they just crush it with their forehand).

I'm at a loss. I've watched pros do it like its nothing and I can't even hit it 1 out of 10 tries. HELP!

I like to turn my back to the target as if I was going to hit to the right side of the box on every serve, first and second. That way, my opponent doesn't know when I'm going to the left side until I hit the ball. When I want to hit to the left side of the box, I rotate my upper body back toward the target sooner and further than I would if I were hitting to the right side.

Hope that helps.

martini1 · 01-08-2012, 07:41 PM

You are facing too much to the right. Try the extreme - start almost parallel to the baseline, hit on the outside of the ball when u serve. I guarantee a lot of them will go left (wide) on the duece court. Swipe, don't hit thru. Racket facing left.

tsongaali · 01-08-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bhallic24

I have a decent serve. So so on second serve. But I can usually aim it down the T and out wide on the ad side, but I can not for the life of me hit a even decent out wide serve on the deuce side.

I've tried throwing the ball further right (usually just turns into a slice right into the opponent's wheelhouse (ie their forehand)). HItting with less pace and more slice (gets crushed by the opponent). Trying to hit hard and aim for the angle out wide (usually goes into the net). standing further to the right before serving (doesn't work, and the opponent knows to expect something out wide and they just crush it with their forehand).

I'm at a loss. I've watched pros do it like its nothing and I can't even hit it 1 out of 10 tries. HELP!

I know exactly what you mean. Same thing for me too, very good flat, decent kick, but shi tty slice. I think it all comes down to the timing of pronation, where in the flat you are fully pronated upon contact with the ball, but on slice you're about halfway. But I could be wrong.

And no zapvor, it isn't that simple. From what i've seen of you, your in no position to be giving advice on this forum lol

thug the bunny · 01-09-2012, 05:49 PM

Wait, I don't want to add the the confusion, but when I serve wide to the duece side, I toss a little to the left, and then try to hit the outside of the ball. The main thing though, is I eyeball that wide corner of the service box before the toss, and just make it go there. For a righty it should be very natural. Sorry if that's too simple.

zapvor · 01-09-2012, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tsongaali

I know exactly what you mean. Same thing for me too, very good flat, decent kick, but shi tty slice. I think it all comes down to the timing of pronation, where in the flat you are fully pronated upon contact with the ball, but on slice you're about halfway. But I could be wrong.

And no zapvor, it isn't that simple. From what i've seen of you, your in no position to be giving advice on this forum lol

and why is it not that simple??? if you know how to serve you know how to serve. its that simple. why dont you post some of you up here to prove you are in a position to be giving advice. i will be happy to post my serves going out wide if everyone wants to see it

scotus · 01-09-2012, 08:25 PM

If having trouble, aim for the doubles alley.

rufusbgood · 01-09-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by zapvor

and why is it not that simple??? if you know how to serve you know how to serve. its that simple. why dont you post some of you up here to prove you are in a position to be giving advice. i will be happy to post my serves going out wide if everyone wants to see it

Even if it is that simple, saying "just do it" is not instructive. I'm sure Elena Dementieva wanted very much to be able to serve to a righty's backhand. Even with a ton of money at her disposal and a team of professionals guiding her, she spent most of her career hitting every serve to her opponents forehand. So, "just do it" isn't an answer.

And yes, you should post a video of you hitting out wide and more importantly you should post a video of you hitting out wide and explaining what it is you are doing differently to make it happen. I am somehow doubting you would be able to do so. Because I don't really think you have that awareness. Doesn't make you a bad player, but it makes you a lousy instructor.

sandiegoman · 01-09-2012, 10:20 PM

Try focusing on the lower right side of the ball (like 4 or 5 o'clock)

rufusbgood · 01-10-2012, 06:01 AM

Seems to me (and I'm no instructor, nor have I tested this) that thinking about this in a geographical sense might be useful. If you imagine the ball as a miniaturized planet earth with the North Pole faced directly up and the South Pole directly facing the ground, you achieve the slicing action by brushing from West to East along the equator. Since the ball travels in the direction the strings are facing, if you are observing Earth so that South America is on the left and Africa is on the right you can pretty much bet that striking the ball in Columbia is going to be a fail. You need to be whacking the Congo. And if that doesn't work move over to Indonesia.

Over the last few years, I have been endeavoring to increase the height of my toss and more importantly the height of my tossing hand. FWIW, my slice out wide was far more reliable back in the days when my toss was much lower.

mathieu · 01-10-2012, 07:50 AM

well we have two people now who want to see Zapvor's uber wide serve on the duece side. I also want to see this. Anyone else?

01-02-2012, 05:40 PM	#1
bhallic24 Semi-Pro Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 700	Help: How do you serve wide on Deuce Court? I have a decent serve. So so on second serve. But I can usually aim it down the T and out wide on the ad side, but I can not for the life of me hit a even decent out wide serve on the deuce side. I've tried throwing the ball further right (usually just turns into a slice right into the opponent's wheelhouse (ie their forehand)). HItting with less pace and more slice (gets crushed by the opponent). Trying to hit hard and aim for the angle out wide (usually goes into the net). standing further to the right before serving (doesn't work, and the opponent knows to expect something out wide and they just crush it with their forehand). I'm at a loss. I've watched pros do it like its nothing and I can't even hit it 1 out of 10 tries. HELP! __________________ Monkeyboy, down and out.

01-02-2012, 05:47 PM	#2
SoBad Legend Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 5,870	Sounds like a psychological issue - your second serve is weak wherever you place it and you just need to be prepared to start second serve points on the defensive. __________________ 皆けちやんか…

01-02-2012, 06:55 PM	#4
zapvor Legend Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: tennis courts Posts: 7,969	yea first we need a video. 2nd....its questions like this that make me laugh. that's like asking, i can turn left, but i can't turn right. how do i turn right? __________________ Member of TW MAC. yes, we are better than you. and we bout to hop on a court to make another 'mil

01-02-2012, 07:12 PM	#6
fruitytennis1 Professional Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: I wish i knew Posts: 1,042	Practice this... Take a 2 steps farther to the right Make the toss so it is to the right of you and if you leave it alone it will bounce on the baseline Hit a topslice serve __________________ At any level-It's the small things that don't matter, that matter.

01-02-2012, 09:07 PM	#9
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