Wrestling Discussion Thread

[hollywood9826]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Treat them all like Mikey Whipwreck

You beta me to it.

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

YES YES YES Second only to Layla's return and the possible LayCool reunion.

I guess Michelle has had enough to rest. But she is probably busy taking care of Undertaker and helping him mend.


I remeber mick Foley talking about certain wrestler and how some the moves hurt, but on camera it looked liek it didnt.m Then other guys were the opposite.

The He said with Vader it looked liek it hurt, and hurt twice as much as it looked like.

Maybe that is Brocks new deal.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

You beta me to it.



I guess Michelle has had enough to rest. But she is probably busy taking care of Undertaker and helping him mend.


I remeber mick Foley talking about certain wrestler and how some the moves hurt, but on camera it looked liek it didnt.m Then other guys were the opposite.

The He said with Vader it looked liek it hurt, and hurt twice as much as it looked like.

Maybe that is Brocks new deal.

Not sure if the crowd will cheer Keylocks, Kimuras, or even a Gogoplata unless it is applied by the Divas.

[jamesblakefan#1]

I guess you guys got your wish. Paul Heyman back as Brock's 'legal counsel'.

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

I guess you guys got your wish. Paul Heyman back as Brock's 'legal counsel'.

that one suprised me a little. Thought he was done with the wrestling industry but I hope he comes back as a manager. he was really good at it.

I am curious to see if they are building a stable with the guy that took over Rosa's team. I thought I heard them say he had Mason Ryan as well. I would like to see things like survivor series with stables going at it again.

[adventure]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

I guess you guys got your wish. Paul Heyman back as Brock's 'legal counsel'.

Paul was an incompetent businessman, but he was and is a great entertainer. It must gall him to bow down to Vinnie Mac, though.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Tonight was the first I saw of the no selling you guys usually talk about w/ Bryan. Punk worked his leg the entire match and Bryan sold it like it was nothing. That match stunk.

[jamesblakefan#1]

So Cena/Show match...meh.
Kane/Bryan/Punk...meh.
Orton suspended...meh.

Where's Brock to wreck stuff again?

[MichaelNadal]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

So Cena/Show match...meh.
Kane/Bryan/Punk...meh.
Orton suspended...meh.

Where's Brock to wreck stuff again?

Wrestling has been extremely dry for me lately. In about every aspect. Im about to stop watching.

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Tonight was the first I saw of the no selling you guys usually talk about w/ Bryan. Punk worked his leg the entire match and Bryan sold it like it was nothing. That match stunk.

thats the junk I complain about. I get that he isnt gonna be dead when they hit each other with crap but why work the leg and he just keeps going. He has alot to learn about selling moves. I dont care how many moves he thinks he can pull off pretty if he cant sell a match he isnt gonna stick around.

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

Wrestling has been extremely dry for me lately. In about every aspect. Im about to stop watching.

i am close as well. I grew up loving it and its just done. Seriously Johnny ace is the worst thing they have put on in a long time. If any of them think he is over they are kidding themselves. Add on top of that he is involved in everything. thats never a good idea. They should have just killed the story and had Cena win and get rid of the GM gig for him. Its run its course.

Also they are not pushing any edge at all anymore. I am waiting for them to call each other poopy faces. I get they want younger viewers but what the hell push a tad.

[hollywood9826]

I'll agree with you the Johhny is around too much. I think if it wasnt oversaturated with him it could work. But it is just stale. They have some guys that can put on good shows. I think Hawkins and Reks need to be doing more than losing to Kingston and Truth. Truth needs to be doing more than tagging with Kingston. Kingston could work with a better partner. Pair him with someone who has more of a power game and they could be fun to watch. Watching Kingston and Truth last night it was clear that Truth is such a better showman than Kingston. Somehting as simple as a drop kick Truth does with so much more flair. kingston has been pushed pretty good but always get a meh.. response.

This Big Show angle would have worked relly good 8 years ago when he could move some and do stuff. now he labors around the ring and puches poeple.

Not sure whats going on with the Punk/Bryan/Kane/AJ thing. They are making AJ look like a delusional tramp and it taking away from the work punk could be doing with Byan IMO.

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

This Big Show angle would have worked relly good 8 years ago when he could move some and do stuff. now he labors around the ring and puches poeple.

Not sure whats going on with the Punk/Bryan/Kane/AJ thing. They are making AJ look like a delusional tramp and it taking away from the work punk could be doing with Byan IMO.

Big Show angle is fine with me. Ok he is huge and hurting people makes enough sense however once again its gonna be super Cena that stops him. Have a run in new guy take him down. Use this to push one of your kids. Use it to put legitimacy in Brodus Clay.

AJ is just awkward. She is cute and all but at times looks to be about 15. Then she went from being a puppy dog to now wanna be aggresive. Its just awkward.

Something is wrong with product when I am enjoying old youtube clips more than the current show.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by maverick66

Big Show angle is fine with me. Ok he is huge and hurting people makes enough sense however once again its gonna be super Cena that stops him. Have a run in new guy take him down. Use this to push one of your kids. Use it to put legitimacy in Brodus Clay.

AJ is just awkward. She is cute and all but at times looks to be about 15. Then she went from being a puppy dog to now wanna be aggresive. Its just awkward.

Something is wrong with product when I am enjoying old youtube clips more than the current show.

Should see how few wrestlers are at a Smackdown show, maybe 15-20. All interviews and action are backstage, not in the ring. Almost no interaction with the crowd, go figure.

[hollywood9826]

The SD taping are even worse. At least with an actual live event the crowd is pumped. At a taping everyone is little more subdued.

I remeber back in the days of the Stone Cold after RAW. Alot of times they did more stuff after the show went off the air then actually happened during RAW.

He would have Camera men doing spinaroonies, other ca,era guys saying they qwanted to go home. He got on his hands and knees like he was propsing to lillian one day and said.

"Liilian will you........ Get me another beer"

He would bring the rock rock out and they would tell some jokes mess with some fans stun some dudes.

Now Cena will say some stuff when RAW goes off, but its all wholesome and family friendly.

[Ronaldo]

Tough to do stuff after the taping when the kids rush the ring just to touch Cena, Orton, or Sheamus. Tapings are subdued but the number of fireworks used now is unreal.

[hollywood9826]

Yea good point.

The guys they have could be so good. Even just have a couple guys with the edgier stuff. Not evryone has to be attitude era esque. Lets just give a couple of the guys an edge so the adults can get into more.

To waste what Punk did last year to get momentum and end up putting him in a love triengle with no acting skills D Bryan, and the Jason Voorhees with flames ripoff Kane. And this girl who makes stupid faces and sometime looks like she belongs on that bring it on movie and other times looks kinda decent is wrong.

There are too many people involved in that story line. It should be Bryan and Punk let Punk show Bryan how to work a crowd a crowd and develop a story. Then everyone would relize Bryan sucks and his place is having TV Belt matches with kofi that always end with the time limit expriing.

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

To waste what Punk did last year to get momentum and end up putting him in a love triengle with no acting skills D Bryan, and the Jason Voorhees with flames ripoff Kane. And this girl who makes stupid faces and sometime looks like she belongs on that bring it on movie and other times looks kinda decent is wrong.

There are too many people involved in that story line. It should be Bryan and Punk let Punk show Bryan how to work a crowd a crowd and develop a story. Then everyone would relize Bryan sucks and his place is having TV Belt matches with kofi that always end with the time limit expriing.

Thats very true. Bryan cant sell a story. thats why he was so good at an indy level but not so great on the big stage. If he doesnt learn how to work a story than he wont last. The Indy guys love him because they like that vanilla midget who has good work rate. The average fans that you need to draw in not gonna get into it.

thats what I said when i saw edge on for a little. What a hole he left. The guys coming in dont seem to have that something special. Punk was so close to gabbing it and they watered it down so Nash and HHH could have their input. Thats so shitty.

Everything in the past hasnt been absolutely amazing and they had their fair share of misses but it seems like there is zero direction besides make sure there is super Cena and Johnny Ace is involved.

[hollywood9826]

Yep, Cena is and will always be involved for the forseable future.

It doesnt help when guys keep getting hurt (barrett) or suspended (Truth, Orton). Truth and Miz seemed like they were working well together. Then truth got suspended and they just threw both of those guys out of the picture.

[maverick66]

Barretts injury really set them back. He can carry a feud and make a show interesting when he is on. He carried the Nexus story line which was one of their better things of the last few years.

Orton never really feels big time to me. Maybe its his lame tweaking out when he hits the diamond cutter. I liked the I am insane and hurt people gig he had but everything else he has done feels blah.

Miz is the favorite whipping boy it seems. guy went from main eventing Wrestlemania to jobbing to Brodus Clay. Thats a fall and a big one.

[hollywood9826]

Originally Posted by maverick66

Barretts injury really set them back. He can carry a feud and make a show interesting when he is on. He carried the Nexus story line which was one of their better things of the last few years.

Orton never really feels big time to me. Maybe its his lame tweaking out when he hits the diamond cutter. I liked the I am insane and hurt people gig he had but everything else he has done feels blah.

Miz is the favorite whipping boy it seems. guy went from main eventing Wrestlemania to jobbing to Brodus Clay. Thats a fall and a big one.

Please dont call what Orton does a cutter. I dont what he does he sorta just jumps up in the air and let the other guy do all the work. If Owen Hart were still around he would just stand there and let Orton fall on his back. Owen would always do crap like that at house shows. Would really make guys look dumb if they didnt have talent.

I'm not sure what happened with Miz, I wonder if he pulled a Morrison and tried to go to bat for his girlfriend (Maryse) and got shafted. Of course was better than morrison would ever dream of and Maryse doesnt seem like as big of a 8itch as Melina so he still has a job.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

Please dont call what Orton does a cutter. I dont what he does he sorta just jumps up in the air and let the other guy do all the work. If Owen Hart were still around he would just stand there and let Orton fall on his back. Owen would always do crap like that at house shows. Would really make guys look dumb if they didnt have talent.

I'm not sure what happened with Miz, I wonder if he pulled a Morrison and tried to go to bat for his girlfriend (Maryse) and got shafted. Of course was better than morrison would ever dream of and Maryse doesnt seem like as big of a 8itch as Melina so he still has a job.

Maryse left on her own. Also Miz is starring in Marine 3 so its obvious WWE isn't fully down on him. I'll bet he will be champ again by years end. Remember where punk was this time last year before his huge push. Things change quickly.