Wrestling Discussion Thread

[MichaelNadal]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

May be surprised how popular Sheamus is now.

Sheamus is awesome

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Let's not forget how the Hurricane used to get pretty big reactions back in the day. So a comedy act getting big reax from the crowd is not an anomaly.

Orton gets the biggest pops, and Cena's still the guy people pay to see, love him or hate him. You're really overplaying how dire the situation is. Like I said, they're rebuilding since they've lost a lot of stars the past few years. But they've done a good job in making new stars so far.

I dont think I am overplaying as much as I grew up with the attitude era and expect that quality. Its just not there and it hasnt been. I really dont put the blame on most of the wrestlers as much as the fact that they hire out of work soap writers to do the show. They just dont have solid build ups right now.

The Eve-Cena-Ryder thing couldnt have been handled much worse than how they did it. Instead of now having a Ryder push for that top slot with him going after Cena and using an established guy to put over a younger one they turn Eve heel right away and all but kill it. Ryder already put out a tweet or something say bros before hos so the angle is pretty much dead and Cena goes on to continue being the top draw and two others now go back to low to mid card. They really had a chance to get two new people over and just dropped the ball.

Shane Helms was pretty over and got good reactions I will agree to that. However if you put him in a EC match with the top names of his time do you believe he gets a bigger pop than the guys in that match?

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by maverick66

I dont think I am overplaying as much as I grew up with the attitude era and expect that quality. Its just not there and it hasnt been. I really dont put the blame on most of the wrestlers as much as the fact that they hire out of work soap writers to do the show. They just dont have solid build ups right now.

The Attitude Era has been pretty overrated. The top of the card was great, but the rest of the card you had stuff like Mae Young and Mark Henry which made you downright embarrassed. The midcard during the AE flat out sucked. I'd say that now the overall depth of the roster and amount of guys that can put on good matches is greater than it was in the AE, but the character work is what's lacking. Back then even midcarders had gimmicks you could get behind, but now there's too many generic bad *** heels and smiley babyfaces with no real back story or definition. And most of the AE storylines were not that much diff from typical soap storylines (HHH 'marrying' Steph right before she was going to marry Test, leading to the McMahon Helmsley Era, I could go on). I grew up on the AE but now I see that it wasn't as godly as some make it seem. I enjoyed it but it has it's flaws as well, flaws that get overlooked when most people look back on it.

The Eve-Cena-Ryder thing couldnt have been handled much worse than how they did it. Instead of now having a Ryder push for that top slot with him going after Cena and using an established guy to put over a younger one they turn Eve heel right away and all but kill it. Ryder already put out a tweet or something say bros before hos so the angle is pretty much dead and Cena goes on to continue being the top draw and two others now go back to low to mid card. They really had a chance to get two new people over and just dropped the ball.

Ryder's more relevant now than he's been at any point in his career, and he's likely going to be in a big match w/ Kane at WM. It's pretty unrealistic to hotshot a guy too quickly, lest they fizzle out like Alex Riley and Jack Swagger. You're really going to put Ryder in the same league as Cena, Orton, Punk based off of internet smarks loving him? Ryder will be fine, him acting as Kane's punching bag gave him more sympathy and made his character more complex than being the long island ******bag, which was running out of steam quickly.

Shane Helms was pretty over and got good reactions I will agree to that. However if you put him in a EC match with the top names of his time do you believe he gets a bigger pop than the guys in that match?

Orton who was the top face of SD got hurt, which changed things somewhat and you're ignoring that. Sheamus who's also getting huge reactions wasn't in the match. I think you're overplaying it. Santino is good, damn good, and people bought into the underdog just like when Shelton Benjamin was facing off with HHH and Hurricane was facing off with Rock. Jefff Hardy's another guy who always got huge reactions regardless of where he was on the card. I think you're taking one isolated incident and using it as an indictment of the whole roster.

The depth at the top isn't there, but again when you lose: HHH, HBK, Taker, Edge, Batista, Rey Rey (injured), Angle, Eddie...all of those guys were huge stars and have left for various reasons the past few years. So WWE is trying to build new stars overnight and so far it's going well with Punk catching fire, Sheamus and Bryan (who I know you're not a fan of, but still), Dolph and Rhodes in the wings, and of course the vets in Orton Cena and Jericho. Not to mention HHH, Taker, and Rock making occasional appearances. You can't just force stars though, you have to build guys properly or you risk Swaggering them and ruining them beyond repair. That's why guys like Ryder shouldn't be forced before they are ready.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

The Attitude Era has been pretty overrated. The top of the card was great, but the rest of the card you had stuff like Mae Young and Mark Henry which made you downright embarrassed. The midcard during the AE flat out sucked. I'd say that now the overall depth of the roster and amount of guys that can put on good matches is greater than it was in the AE, but the character work is what's lacking. Back then even midcarders had gimmicks you could get behind, but now there's too many generic bad *** heels and smiley babyfaces with no real back story or definition. And most of the AE storylines were not that much diff from typical soap storylines (HHH 'marrying' Steph right before she was going to marry Test, leading to the McMahon Helmsley Era, I could go on). I grew up on the AE but now I see that it wasn't as godly as some make it seem. I enjoyed it but it has it's flaws as well, flaws that get overlooked when most people look back on it.



Ryder's more relevant now than he's been at any point in his career, and he's likely going to be in a big match w/ Kane at WM. It's pretty unrealistic to hotshot a guy too quickly, lest they fizzle out like Alex Riley and Jack Swagger. You're really going to put Ryder in the same league as Cena, Orton, Punk based off of internet smarks loving him? Ryder will be fine, him acting as Kane's punching bag gave him more sympathy and made his character more complex than being the long island ******bag, which was running out of steam quickly.



Orton who was the top face of SD got hurt, which changed things somewhat and you're ignoring that. Sheamus who's also getting huge reactions wasn't in the match. I think you're overplaying it. Santino is good, damn good, and people bought into the underdog just like when Shelton Benjamin was facing off with HHH and Hurricane was facing off with Rock. Jefff Hardy's another guy who always got huge reactions regardless of where he was on the card. I think you're taking one isolated incident and using it as an indictment of the whole roster.

The depth at the top isn't there, but again when you lose: HHH, HBK, Taker, Edge, Batista, Rey Rey (injured), Angle, Eddie...all of those guys were huge stars and have left for various reasons the past few years. So WWE is trying to build new stars overnight and so far it's going well with Punk catching fire, Sheamus and Bryan (who I know you're not a fan of, but still), Dolph and Rhodes in the wings, and of course the vets in Orton Cena and Jericho. Not to mention HHH, Taker, and Rock making occasional appearances. You can't just force stars though, you have to build guys properly or you risk Swaggering them and ruining them beyond repair. That's why guys like Ryder shouldn't be forced before they are ready.

Can any TNA guy make an impact in WWE?

[vkartikv]

I haven't followed it in ages. The last I remember is the monday night wars with WCW vs. WWF. Nothing like good ol' Ric Flair and Bobby the Brain Heenan.

[Limpinhitter]

When I was a young lad, I used to like Championship Wrestling From Florida with Gordon Solie calling the matches. I remember wrestlers like Red Bastien, Johnny Valentine, The Great Malenko, Wahoo McDaniel (who simultaniously played linebacker for the Dolphins), Eddie Graham, Thunderbolt Patterson, Jack and Jerry Brisco, Dusty Rhodes, and Dory Funk, Jr. and Terry Funk. Those were the days.

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Can any TNA guy make an impact in WWE?

Not really. I have heard that with the new tag team push HHH wants to put on they want beer money to come over to wwe but i doubt they get a solid push if they do come over.

tna has potential but just doesnt seem to really know where they want there product to go. there just is no direction in the company and the product reflects it. Its a shame because I really like a few of their guys like Rhoode, Styles, and Samoa Joe when he gave a crap and was in semi shape.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by maverick66

Not really. I have heard that with the new tag team push HHH wants to put on they want beer money to come over to wwe but i doubt they get a solid push if they do come over.

tna has potential but just doesnt seem to really know where they want there product to go. there just is no direction in the company and the product reflects it. Its a shame because I really like a few of their guys like Rhoode, Styles, and Samoa Joe when he gave a crap and was in semi shape.

Thought A J Styles could make some noise. Austin Aries and Eddie Edwards too but may be too small, eh?

[hollywood9826]

AJ IMO is the only guy right now who has not been in WWE before that could come over and make some noise. Not HW champ champ, but put on good matches for the smaller straps maybe. If Daniel Bryan was bad on the mic I dont how to explain AJ he is beyond bad.

I'd like to see what a guy like Gunnar would do. He seems decent on the mic and has good look to him with size and does good work in the ring.

They try to pump up Matt Morgan, but there is somethign about his stick legs that makes him look wierd to me. And I havent seen Crimson do enough to put him anywhere. They tried to do the goldberg thing with him but people aint falling for that anymore.

[hollywood9826]

If HHH wants to get the tag title back into relevence there is a pretty easy solution. Bring the Dudley's back and have them start putting people through tables again.

[woodrow1029]

Roddick will come to Wrestlemania and get his revenge from this incident and ruin Undertaker's winning streak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXo5b4YoHg

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

AJ IMO is the only guy right now who has not been in WWE before that could come over and make some noise. Not HW champ champ, but put on good matches for the smaller straps maybe. If Daniel Bryan was bad on the mic I dont how to explain AJ he is beyond bad.

I'd like to see what a guy like Gunnar would do. He seems decent on the mic and has good look to him with size and does good work in the ring.

They try to pump up Matt Morgan, but there is somethign about his stick legs that makes him look wierd to me. And I havent seen Crimson do enough to put him anywhere. They tried to do the goldberg thing with him but people aint falling for that anymore.

styles falls under the amazing in ring not so great out of ring category. i have multiple times gone wow when watching him in the ring. He is prime candidate for needing a manager coming out to the ring to talk for him. He needs a Vickie to get him over.

Gunnar has the size and look and honestly I dont think TNA is really helping him by having him be bischoff and flairs muscle. he was in the title tournament thing they had a little while back and now he is either jobbing out to or squashing bischoffs son. Seems like a waste of talent.

Didnt WWE already try matt morgan and decide they didnt like him?

I wouldnt mind seeing the Dudleys come back but isnt that part of the problem right now? We are hoping 40+ yo guys come back to save the tag teams. where are the 20-30 yo that should be lights out right now?

[hollywood9826]

AJ needs a manager for sure. Alot of guys need managers. They should probably bring managers back some. Vickie is really the only one at the moment. Somehow just her yelling "Excuse ME" gets instant heat and has for quite some time.

TNA is doing gunnar no justice at all. But its TNA we are talking about.

Yes WWE rightfully let Morgan go. And he has done zero to make them regret that decision. But the fact that TNA tries to throw him out there like a main event caliber guy I figured I'd throw him in there as some peiople may not even remeber the stuttering Matt morgan character in WWE. Hes on insurance comercials now doing a kinda Terry Tate thing.

I think Tyler Reks and Curt Hawkins have some potential as Tag Teamers. But bringing the Dudleys in and maybe beer moeny if they dont look too small (they are both only 6ft) could give the division a shot to get the ball rolling.

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

I think Tyler Reks and Curt Hawkins have some potential as Tag Teamers. But bringing the Dudleys in and maybe beer moeny if they dont look too small (they are both only 6ft) could give the division a shot to get the ball rolling.

I thought Gabriel and Slater where doing pretty good as a team and got over pretty decent. They broke them up and neither are doing to good on their own. Also liked Cryme Time but Shad just was unpolished in the ring and JTG is no good on his own. Some guys just work alot better as a team than as indivuduals.

with that said I am shocked at how good bubba ray is on his own. the run he is having in tna is some of his best work ever and that says alot if you go back to his ECW promos where he started riots.

[r5d3]

TNA guys in WWE? I think a guy like Brutus Magnus could get over. Unfortunately Matt Morgan was given that stuttering gimmick before, or else he could be a good one. Maybe Crimson, maybe Gunner, maybe Joe. There's a few that could have a career, but not sure how huge they could get.

[hollywood9826]

Originally Posted by maverick66

I thought Gabriel and Slater where doing pretty good as a team and got over pretty decent. They broke them up and neither are doing to good on their own. Also liked Cryme Time but Shad just was unpolished in the ring and JTG is no good on his own. Some guys just work alot better as a team than as indivuduals.

with that said I am shocked at how good bubba ray is on his own. the run he is having in tna is some of his best work ever and that says alot if you go back to his ECW promos where he started riots.

Totally agree with all that. I hadnt known Shad had been in WWE/OVW since 03 though.

Never liked Slater, the one man rock band? How dumb is that. Its almost as dumb as the Tank with the Ferrari engine. You can put a Ferrari Engine in a tank it wouldnt go anywhere. That is why they put tank engine's in tanks. Everything about Husky Harris is just dumb.

Bubba/Bully Ray is doing great work right now. I would really like to see him with the strap, but as he is really the only one they got in TNA that keeps some sort of story going he probably wont get there.

Originally Posted by r5d3

TNA guys in WWE? I think a guy like Brutus Magnus could get over. Unfortunately Matt Morgan was given that stuttering gimmick before, or else he could be a good one. Maybe Crimson, maybe Gunner, maybe Joe. There's a few that could have a career, but not sure how huge they could get.

Magnus has a chance I forget about him because they got him stuck with Samoa Joe. Matt Morgan has everything a big man is wrestling should have except those stick legs. That is serioulsy all it is I think.

Crimson is young, but they are prtectinghim too much. He needs to get a larger moveset and really put on an entire match. He cant do that at the moment so they stuck him with Morgan.

Joe just plain is terrible. WWE would never let him Muscle Bust anyone and that all he has going for him.

[TERRASTAR18]

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

If HHH wants to get the tag title back into relevence there is a pretty easy solution. Bring the Dudley's back and have them start putting people through tables again.

or the world's greatest tag team- benjamin and haas.

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

Never liked Slater, the one man rock band? How dumb is that. Its almost as dumb as the Tank with the Ferrari engine. You can put a Ferrari Engine in a tank it wouldnt go anywhere. That is why they put tank engine's in tanks. Everything about Husky Harris is just dumb.


Joe just plain is terrible. WWE would never let him Muscle Bust anyone and that all he has going for him.

agree on slater. Part of nexus did good on his own wow you are just not gonna work out. barret carried the mic skills for all those guys and when the group broke up he really is the only one doing good solo. Otunga is doing ok as jonny ace's carlton but thats about it for nexus guys.

Joe just doesnt seem to care anymore. he used to be really good and who doesnt like a guy that gets a crowd to chant Joe is gonna kill you.

[woodrow1029]

Who are some of your favorite tag teams of all time?

Mine are Demolition, The British Bulldogs, The Killer Bees and Money Inc.

[hollywood9826]

Joe Probably knows WWE has no plans to ever do anythign with him.

TNA is putting him at mid-card level. Teaming him up with someone. He feels he is getting shafted.

But instead of working harder ro tryin to change he just said EFF it, and started mailing in paychecks. People will always pay to see someone get muscle busted. The bigger namesguys wont get or are too big to get Muscle busted so hes got his place on the card.

Some guys you can tell they got what it takes. Barrett has everything you need. Ken Kennedy/Anderson is another guy that with the right push could come back into WWE and be a player. But he sorta burned his bridges from what I read.

I always though Drew McIntyre had a chance, but hes all but buried at the moment.