Practice for Smarter Targets

[luvforty]

simple - that 'no land area' is common knowledge... just 4-5 cones outlining the 'no landing area', you let players rally, you lose point if ball goes in there..

stop putting yourself on the seniority high ground, i have played for 30 years... and it's irrelevant anyway... are you gonna ask a doctor not to treat you for cancer, unless he himself has had cancer?

experience is one thing, logical thinking is another.... the 2 things are independent of each other... very few people have both.

[5263]

Originally Posted by sundaypunch

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Not really sure your point.

I'm not selling anything. Just sharing for those might find it helpful.
If you don't like it, don't use it.

[5263]

Originally Posted by luvforty

are you gonna ask a doctor not to treat you for cancer, unless he himself has had cancer?

experience is one thing, logical thinking is another.... the 2 things are independent of each other... very few people have both.

and you think your cancer example is logical?

I wouldn't choose a doc who had little experience or in your case,
seemed to have little experience.

[luvforty]

where is the illogical part in the cancer example?

'seems inexperienced'... you are being polite again... no, I don't coach for a living, so in that sense I am inexperienced..

but logical thinking is an independent quality.

[5263]

Originally Posted by luvforty

where is the illogical part in the cancer example?

'seems inexperienced'... you are being polite again... no, I don't coach for a living, so in that sense I am inexperienced..

but logical thinking is an independent quality.

It is illogical to think that having cancer would make a doctor a better with
treating cancer, as compared to say...a far more experienced Doc who had successfully
treated many patients with cancer.
Imo it is illogical to think that merely having had cancer alone would make a doc
better. That doc likely trusted a experienced cancer doc to treat him and likely
would be a completely different type of doc, since that is only one of many kinds
of Doc. He also likely had a different cancer since there are so many
types and likely each of them had only one type.
But those ARE good examples of the things like we see in your stat analysis
on serving. Major unsound assumptions..illogical conclusions.

[luvforty]

lol... you completely missed the point of the cancer doctor.

[5263]

Originally Posted by rosewall4ever

The dimension of space is accounted for in this thread but time isn't so much. A holistic scheme is the holy grail i guess, but that mystery is the reason for why the game is so fun

A good point raised, but not entirely true. The thread discusses how to use
the targets to hit smartly away from the foe for most instances. While this
is not intended to tell you where and how to hit on the rise vs on the drop, it
does address how direction shot line, with good solid pace will give you more
time and challenge the foe. It also addresses coming in to attack mid ct balls,
which also deals with managing time.

[5263]

Originally Posted by Ash_Smith

^^^Even on the possible examples you have posted above, I don't see it as an acceptable risk for all but the most elite players (and then against weak opposition) and the data I have collected of shot mapping shows that whilst shots may bounce inside 2 feet from the lines at pro level, the general pattern indicates that the target area was much safer in intent.

cheers

I agree Ash, but serves are tough to target more than a foot off the line don't
you think...1st serves?

[Ash_Smith]

^^^Sorry, do you mean when serving on when receiving? If you're referring to when serving I encourage players to target where they want the opponent to make contact as opposed to a specific spot in the box.

Cheers

[5263]

Originally Posted by Ash_Smith

^^^Sorry, do you mean when serving on when receiving? If you're referring to when serving I encourage players to target where they want the opponent to make contact as opposed to a specific spot in the box.

Cheers

Yes, I was talking of when serving and how that normally ends up quite near
a line on 1st serve. I wish I could find a way around it to help to avoid bad calls,
but seems like there is little that can be done.

[Ash_Smith]

^^^Oh, I see. Yeah you're probably right, I wonder if that's because people consciously think about hitting to the lines rather than thinking of the path of the ball to where they want the opponent to hit.

[5263]

Originally Posted by Ash_Smith

^^^Oh, I see. Yeah you're probably right, I wonder if that's because people consciously think about hitting to the lines rather than thinking of the path of the ball to where they want the opponent to hit.

I do think I tend to focus on the line or path of my serves, just like on other strokes, but
never really realized that consciously as a serving cue I don't think.
thanks

[5263]

Originally Posted by Ash_Smith

^^^Oh, I see. Yeah you're probably right, I wonder if that's because people consciously think about hitting to the lines rather than thinking of the path of the ball to where they want the opponent to hit.

In thinking more about this and using it in serving practice. I realized how much
I focus on the path of serve, much like with groundstrokes.
I also focus on clearing the net in a way that supports bringing the ball down
quickly in most cases...again like with groundstrokes.
For example, I tend to use a top slice most often, which blends pace, slice, and
topspin aspect to get the ball coming down faster.
On flatter serves, I tend to try and hit much closer to the net top; which
is another perspective on getting it down soon.
Ash, Thanks for the tip on seeing this very similar to how I do the other strokes.

[sureshs]

I find that deeper serves have more cred in the club game, probably because weak serves often land short. Shorter angled serves can be more effective, but deeper ones cause a higher bounce and look more professional.

I am also surprised by how many of the deep serves land very close inside the line, and I am not being misled by ignoring the faults. It seems to be a miracle which defeats the laws of probability. I think it is due to subtle feedback obtained over the years that somehow gets it right. Yet it seems that for every serve which lands 2 inches inside, there should be one which lands 2 inches outside, but that does not happen.

[Cheetah]

Welcome back 5263.
You picked a good time to vanish. It wasn't pretty.

[Ash_Smith]

Originally Posted by 5263

Ash, Thanks for the tip on seeing this very similar to how I do the other strokes.

You're welcome!

Oh, and welcome back btw! You've missed some fun times, but no doubt there will be many, many more

cheers

[millardus]

What an excellent piece of analysis! I refer to the very first page of this long thread, having not read through all the other bits of it!

But purely based on that initial analysis, I am very impressed.

[NLBwell]

Originally Posted by BU-Tennis

Ok, redrew it, you can see the triangles

I hope you guys realize that all this really shows is that most shots are cross-court rally balls.

[sundaypunch]

Originally Posted by NLBwell

I hope you guys realize that all this really shows is that most shots are cross-court rally balls.

We have a winner!

[5263]

Originally Posted by NLBwell

I hope you guys realize that all this really shows is that most shots are cross-court rally balls.

While I agree that most rally balls are cross court as they should be (few argue
this I expect), this chart does not distinguish that they are rally balls or whether
they are cross court. Just shows where balls were bouncing during a match.
Many of these are mid ct attacks and/or dtl shots.

I expect most can see what it does show is how few balls land very close to the
baseline along with how they tend to keep the bounce away from the center T.
And no, this is not to be an earth shattering find, but just a simple way to share
what many experienced good players know on one level or another.