Llodra fined.

[magnut]

Originally Posted by cknobman

The only time you can do stuff like this and it not be racist is directing your comments to a "Caucasian" (preferably an american male)

correct. Then its "reverse" racism

[DRII]

Originally Posted by phnx90

Racism is basically hating on a race based on poor or no justifications (e.g. stereotypes).

If the woman took offence at being labelled a Chinese when she was not, wouldn't that make her the racist? What's wrong with being Chinese?



There are probably in excess of 2 billion Chinese people in the world, including those living overseas and those living in Special Administrative Regions (SAR) like Hong Kong and Macau. Chances of assuming an Asian to be Chinese and getting it right is very high. In fact, you could even say Llodra's unlucky that the woman wasn't Chinese (unless it's one of those people who are ethnically Chinese and think they are Canadian, having lived there for a grand total of about 4 years; I hate those people).

Merely adding the word "****ing" before "Chinese" doesn't make the overall sentence/statement racist. The word is used as an emphasis and nothing more.

Besides, it's not like he could've stopped to ask her name, age, sex (because you know, you could offend transvestites, transsexuals and hermaphrodites who possess most or all the characteristics of a woman, but are not, applying the same logic), nationality, ethnicity and sexual orientation, before mouthing her off on (inter)national TV, right?

You do realize that many of the different Asian nationalities and/or ethnicities nearly hate each other, dont you...

To call any Asian, Chinese is quite ignorant and can be highly insulting!

[Bartelby]

He's been levied a fine, and he may have had a fine garnished from his paycheck but he hasn't admitted to anything other than ill-tempered behaviour for which he did apologize.

[phnx90]

Originally Posted by DRII

You do realize that many of the different Asian nationalities and/or ethnicities nearly hate each other, dont you...

To call any Asian, Chinese is quite ignorant and can be highly insulting!

Mate, I'm Korean.

My grandmother got married because had she not, she would've been forced to prostitute herself to the Japanese occupation forces, so I probably know the animosity between Asians better than most people on this board.

I've had people ask if I were Chinese or Japanese plenty of times before; never get offended. Fail to see why I should either, over an honest mistake.

Or maybe I'm just too rational; monfed said I'm too objective to be a Nadal fan.

[magnut]

Originally Posted by Bartelby

He's been levied a fine, and he may have had a fine garnished from his paycheck but he hasn't admitted to anything other than ill-tempered behaviour for which he did apologize.

good enough for me. Personally, if it were me I would just take the ball kids out for some freedom fries. Loud mouthed spectators should not be suprised if a player get a banter going. Hell, Conners would have been banned before he won a Major in todays game. Now we hail him as one of the greats who brought life to the game.

[monfed]

I've been called an "effing Indian" twice, once I got offended, once I didnot. Depends on the context. In this case, the context works against Meekah. However he's paid the fine and apologized. I don't think more needs to be said about him,really.

[FlashFlare11]

Originally Posted by monfed

I've been called an "effing Indian" twice, once I got offended, once I didnot. Depends on the context. In this case, the context works against Meekah. However he's paid the fine and apologized. I don't think more needs to be said about him,really.

I'm Indian and I've been called an "Arab", "Osama bin Laden's cousin", "Saddam Hussein", etc. I got offended the first time, but didn't let the rest of them get to me. There's a lot of ignorance when it comes to race, no matter where you go.

[DRII]

Of course, I'm not surprised to see the conservative, mainly white male, mantra deriding political correctness or the need for civil discourse as a whole and the consequences for not adhering to such...

Point is: 'P.C.' may be an irritant to you (it even is to me sometimes particularly if its not accurate i.e. 'African Americans'), but ask any minority and they would gladly trade hundreds of years of entrenched-enforced- inferiority with the last few decades of entrenched-enforced- political correctness!

[Bartelby]

Llodra should be made to realize that God invented tennis so that we can lawfully and honestly destroy other people on the field of battle by depriving them of the money and fame that only we deserve because only we should be victorious.

Oh, that's right, he was losing at the time.

[FlashFlare11]

Originally Posted by DRII

Of course, I'm not surprised to see the conservative, mainly white male, mantra deriding political correctness or the need for civil discourse as a whole and the consequences for not adhering to such...

Point is: 'P.C.' may be an irritant to you (it even is to me sometimes particularly if its not accurate i.e. 'African Americans'), but ask any minority and they would gladly trade hundreds of years of entrenched-enforced- inferiority with the last few decades of entrenched-enforced- political correctness!

Political correctness is a good thing, if not taken too far. Slang is getting far too out of hand. It seems like everyday there's a new, potentially offensive word or phrase that I have to watch out for. That's ridiculous!

[Bartelby]

Humanity is based on hatred.

We know this from the fact that all religions preach love ..

for members of their own religion (but never succeed)

Or like Christianity preach universal love (that never prevented killing)

If that's what religion teaches its because they acknowledge that humanity is based on hatred and it rather blithely thinks it can change that.

We cling to families, including big families like nations, and exclude others.

The first hatred is of course between man and woman.

Does not the bible almost begin with Adam and Eve.

But I don't think people deride civil discourse, but political correctness does tend to be like a religion - hectoring us to be better while denying the dirty little truth that we all hate.

Originally Posted by DRII

Of course, I'm not surprised to see the conservative, mainly white male, mantra deriding political correctness or the need for civil discourse as a whole and the consequences for not adhering to such...

Point is: 'P.C.' may be an irritant to you (it even is to me sometimes particularly if its not accurate i.e. 'African Americans'), but ask any minority and they would gladly trade hundreds of years of entrenched-enforced- inferiority with the last few decades of entrenched-enforced- political correctness!

[AtomicForehand]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

Slang is getting far too out of hand. It seems like everyday there's a new, potentially offensive word or phrase that I have to watch out for. That's ridiculous!

Poor you! It's so HARD to be civilized!

[phnx90]

Originally Posted by DRII

Of course, I'm not surprised to see the conservative, mainly white male, mantra deriding political correctness or the need for civil discourse as a whole and the consequences for not adhering to such...

Point is: 'P.C.' may be an irritant to you (it even is to me sometimes particularly if its not accurate i.e. 'African Americans'), but ask any minority and they would gladly trade hundreds of years of entrenched-enforced- inferiority with the last few decades of entrenched-enforced- political correctness!

I happen to be a liberal, "yellow" male, so clearly you should take heed some of your own advice not make supposedly-offensive generalisations like assuming that all of us are conservative, white and male.

Sorry, but political-correctness is for most intents and purposes, a bad thing. Politeness however, is a good thing, and I think you have the two confused for the same thing, which they are not. Political-correctness is politeness taken too far.

Being polite involves obeying common courtesies and respect. Poltical-correctness is "tyranny with manners" (Charlton Heston) because it involves not being able to say anything that runs the risk of offending other people, which is a lot of things. That's why we're now stuck with having to say redundant things like "in my opinion, I believe" and "I personally believe", just so that nobody has to go crying to mommy (or should I say "parents"?) about some words that some random person (therefore male and/or female and including the possibility of those who may have difficulty providing a straightforward answer, including, but not limited to transsexuals who have not completed the sex change process) said online.

Seriously, isn't "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" something we tell our children, for Christ's sake? I mean, God's sake? I mean, Pete's sake? I mean, someone important's sake?

[FlamEnemY]

Originally Posted by phnx90

There are probably in excess of 2 billion Chinese people in the world, including those living overseas and those living in Special Administrative Regions (SAR) like Hong Kong and Macau...

I agree. Maybe my attempt at sarcasm was not obvious enough.

Anyway, $2, 500 should not be too much for him.

[FlashFlare11]

Originally Posted by AtomicForehand

Poor you! It's so HARD to be civilized!

Sorry, I don't know about you, but I'm not a huge fan of having my vocabulary shrunk by a bunch of high schoolers and college students who decide to make regular words obscene and then have them become an online sensation, and then, all of a sudden, become taboo. I'm not talking about words that have a history of being offensive, I'm talking about words that form everyday (and yes, I've had racial slurs thrown against me).

[phnx90]

Originally Posted by FlamEnemY

I agree. Maybe my attempt at sarcasm was not obvious enough.

Anyway, $2, 500 should not be too much for him.

Come to read your post again, whoops, looks like my sarcasm detector today is more busted than the Greek economy :P

[phnx90]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

Sorry, I don't know about you, but I'm not a huge fan of having my vocabulary shrunk by a bunch of high schoolers and college students who decide to make regular words obscene and then have them become an online sensation, and then, all of a sudden, become taboo. I'm not talking about words that have a history of being offensive, I'm talking about words that form everyday (and yes, I've had racial slurs thrown against me).

Watch out, there's word that the cartoon "Tom & Jerry" are named after slang used to describe British and German soldiers in WWII...so yeah...watch out who you discuss your childhood cartoons with :P

[FlashFlare11]

Originally Posted by phnx90

Watch out, there's word that the cartoon "Tom & Jerry" are named after slang used to describe British and German soldiers in WWII...so yeah...watch out who you discuss your childhood cartoons with :P

I honestly can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not.

Am I saying something really wrong here?

[monfed]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

I'm Indian and I've been called an "Arab", "Osama bin Laden's cousin", "Saddam Hussein", etc. I got offended the first time, but didn't let the rest of them get to me. There's a lot of ignorance when it comes to race, no matter where you go.

I bet you probably giggled on some of them didn't you? Some of the things I've been called are downright funny(not sure If I can mention them here). But you're right about the ignorance bit.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by phnx90

I happen to be a liberal, "yellow" male, so clearly you should take heed some of your own advice not make supposedly-offensive generalisations like assuming that all of us are conservative, white and male.

Sorry, but political-correctness is for most intents and purposes, a bad thing. Politeness however, is a good thing, and I think you have the two confused for the same thing, which they are not. Political-correctness is politeness taken too far.

Being polite involves obeying common courtesies and respect. Poltical-correctness is "tyranny with manners" (Charlton Heston) because it involves not being able to say anything that runs the risk of offending other people, which is a lot of things. That's why we're now stuck with having to say redundant things like "in my opinion, I believe" and "I personally believe", just so that nobody has to go crying to mommy (or should I say "parents"?) about some words that some random person (therefore male and/or female and including the possibility of those who may have difficulty providing a straightforward answer, including, but not limited to transsexuals who have not completed the sex change process) said online.

Seriously, isn't "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" something we tell our children, for Christ's sake? I mean, God's sake? I mean, Pete's sake? I mean, someone important's sake?

Ah, yea... thats why i said 'mainly' (context anyone)...

And again, i also said that I to sometimes find political corrctness to be irritating. However, P.C. is basically forced politeness; i get that its the 'forced' part that many (mostly conservatives, white males) find offensive. But taking offense to it, is basically ignoring or diminishing the cause for P.C. in the first place; the oppression (in its many forms) of minorites over the years In America (and often government enforced oppression).

So, to try and right that wrong, we have government and/or society enforced political correctness or affirmative action etc now... As we continue to progress there will be less and less need for such things.

Also P.C. does not stop anyone from saying anything; you just have to deal with the consequences of saying something out of bounds.