The indoor season will decide Federer's fate in 2012

[nadalwon2012]

Federer has to win everything after the US Open, just to stay afloat. I see this as being the deciding factor in whether he stays in the top 3 or whether we see changing of the guard with Murray emerging as the new 3rd member of the big 3.

Federer can no longer live off his slam performances. Since winning the AO in 2010 Federer has made just one slam final (which he lost 6-1 in the 4th set). The indoor season has become Federer's only saving grace, and this will decide whether he stays with the big boys. Meanwhile the time seems right for Murray, now that he is getting some momentum vs Djokovic.

How do you see Federer faring in the indoor season? Nothing but perfection will do.

[Sartorius]

Let's put it this way, it will be a far less deciding factor than whether Nadal's season will get you to start another account.

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by Sartorius

Let's put it this way, it will be a far less deciding factor than whether Nadal's season will get you to start another account.

I don't see the point of your delusional trolling, besides getting banned.

Nadal's points each year are predominantly accumulated during the clay-grass season. This year is an especially big opportunity to gain, because he isn't the defending champ at Rome/Madrid. Much easier for Nadal to gain during the clay season than previous years. And he looks in better physical condition than he did at the start of 2011 (and the start of 2010 for that matter), that is for sure. Nothing more impressive than a 6 hour marathon to open the year with

[joeri888]

Yeah, so with the clay and grass just around the corner. It's Nadal who should be worried about racking up enough points to stay high in the rankings. He has only been the fourth best hardcourt player in the last 9 months, despite making 2 Slam finals.

[Sartorius]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

I don't see the point of your delusional trolling, besides getting banned.

I see a valid point in you getting ridiculed at every turn, as it appears you see some point (besides getting banned) in delusional trolling in its most literal sense, trolling around with multiple accounts and denying it at the same time. I would happily accept a warning or two for that.

[Feather]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

Federer has to win everything after the US Open, just to stay afloat. I see this as being the deciding factor in whether he stays in the top 3 or whether we see changing of the guard with Murray emerging as the new 3rd member of the big 3.

Federer can no longer live off his slam performances. Since winning the AO in 2010 Federer has made just one slam final (which he lost 6-1 in the 4th set). The indoor season has become Federer's only saving grace, and this will decide whether he stays with the big boys. Meanwhile the time seems right for Murray, now that he is getting some momentum vs Djokovic.

How do you see Federer faring in the indoor season? Nothing but perfection will do.

You don't have to wait that far. If Roger wins Miami and Rafael doesn't make it to the final, he will become number two. Just compare the ponts these two guys have to defend in the following months. 360, 360, 90 for Roger in Miami, Madrid, Rome while Rafa has to defend 600, 1000, 500, 600, 600 at Miami, Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Madrid, Rome

It's easier task for Roger but that's not the same for Rafa since he is not invincible in clay anymore.

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by Feather

You don't have to wait that far. If Roger wins Miami and Rafael doesn't make it to the final, he will become number two. Just compare the ponts these two guys have to defend in the following months. 360, 360, 90 for Roger in Miami, Madrid, Rome while Rafa has to defend 600, 1000, 500, 600, 600 at Miami, Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Madrid, Rome

It's easier task for Roger but that's not the same for Rafa since he is not invincible in clay anymore.

We do have to wait actually. Nobody cares if Federer has the number 2 ranking in March. November is the key date, and that is why the indoor season is the difference-maker.

In the clay season, who beats Nadal, based on the last 2 years? Djokovic and....

Whereas Federer has to battle a lot harder, and nothing comes easily. The question isn't whether Nadal will defend, but rather whether Nadal will gain. Whereas Federer, nothing is really in his favor, especially since Djokovic and Murray have improved their clay levels.

[ledwix]

Nadal has Djokovic right where he wants him guys! Seven straight losses is pretty much the best situation you can be in!

[merlinpinpin]

Look, you've even answered your own initial question, so you can safely start another trolling thread, now:

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

In the indoor season, who beats Federer, based on the last 2 years?

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by ledwix

Nadal has Djokovic right where he wants him guys! Seven straight losses is pretty much the best situation you can be in!

When Nadal had beaten Djokovic 5 matches in a row, it didn't seem to matter. Streaks happen, and they still aren't enough to change the future...

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by merlinpinpin

Look, you've even answered your own initial question, so you can safely start another trolling thread, now:

I can't answer it with any certainty. Is it likely that Nadal, Djokovic, Murray will have a better post-US Open run than they had in 2011? It would be surprising if all 3 have exactly the same results as 2011. The question is, which of those 3 players do you think will likely challenge Federer post-US Open?

[Feather]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

We do have to wait actually. Nobody cares if Federer has the number 2 ranking in March. November is the key date, and that is why the indoor season is the difference-maker.

In the clay season, who beats Nadal, based on the last 2 years? Djokovic and....

Whereas Federer has to battle a lot harder, and nothing comes easily. The question isn't whether Nadal will defend, but rather whether Nadal will gain. Whereas Federer, nothing is really in his favor, especially since Djokovic and Murray have improved their clay levels.

According to you Djokovic and Murray have improved their clay levels. Still that is a problem only for Federer. Why? Rafa aint taking part in any clay tournaments this year? :P You don't remember that Rafa lost to Novak twice in the clay season last year. I must say I like your confidence despite being 7-0 in the last seven matches.

Oh, streaks come and go, I forgot

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by Feather

According to you Djokovic and Murray have improved their clay levels. Still that is a problem only for Federer. Why? Rafa aint taking part in any clay tournaments this year? :P You don't remember that Rafa lost to Novak twice in the clay season last year. I must say I like your confidence despite being 7-0 in the last seven matches.

Oh, streaks come and go, I forgot

There is a big difference between Nadal's clay level and Federer's clay level. I think Murray is at the Federer clay level at least in best of 3 sets. I won't say Murray is on that level at Roland Garros, because he rarely plays his best at slams. Djokovic, clearly above Murray's level on clay and at least in best-of-3 is better than Federer and Nadal of 2011. Roland Garros, different story.

[sheq]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

Federer has to win everything after the US Open, just to stay afloat. I see this as being the deciding factor in whether he stays in the top 3 or whether we see changing of the guard with Murray emerging as the new 3rd member of the big 3.

Federer can no longer live off his slam performances. Since winning the AO in 2010 Federer has made just one slam final (which he lost 6-1 in the 4th set). The indoor season has become Federer's only saving grace, and this will decide whether he stays with the big boys. Meanwhile the time seems right for Murray, now that he is getting some momentum vs Djokovic.

How do you see Federer faring in the indoor season? Nothing but perfection will do.

Are you serous ? Federer has won last six tournements of eight. He just lost once during this strech. I thinks nole and rafa should be worried rather than Federer. They have too many to defend next 6 months. Federer didnt reached finals except roland garros let alone being champion.

Lets see how Nadal and Djokovic will deal with the circumstance, then we might talk about how Federer save his points.

[Enigma_87]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

There is a big difference between Nadal's clay level and Federer's clay level. I think Murray is at the Federer clay level at least in best of 3 sets.

yeah because Murray has 5 clay MS titles(and 7 finals), 1 RG to his name and 4 finals there. They are exactly at the same level on clay.
Has Murray played for the title on clay?

I won't say Murray is on that level at Roland Garros, because he rarely plays his best at slams. Djokovic, clearly above Murray's level on clay and at least in best-of-3 is better than Federer and Nadal of 2011. Roland Garros, different story.

And yet Federer is 3-1 against Djokovic on clay, with the most recent match 3-1 at RG last year. Go figure...

[nadalwon2012]

Murray's level at Rome last year was sublime. I'm convinced he can beat Federer in a best of 3 clay match. At Roland Garros (or any slam), I'm not convinced of anything regarding Murray. He doesn't play his best tennis at the slams.

Djokovic played a higher level of clay tennis than Federer in the 2011 clay masters events. At Roland Garros, I agree Federer has the edge, as I said before-

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

Djokovic, clearly above Murray's level on clay and at least in best-of-3 is better than Federer and Nadal of 2011. Roland Garros, different story.

[stringertom]

There is a four-way rivalry for #1 in the race to the TT Delusional Cup...(Bullz1lla), Bullz1lla2.0, nadalwon2012 (BTW what has he won in '12?), and VOLLEY KING. Much rides on their indoor season results...my bet is on VK coz Mallorcans and their fanboys take the fall off.

[Cup8489]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

We do have to wait actually. Nobody cares if Federer has the number 2 ranking in March. November is the key date, and that is why the indoor season is the difference-maker.

In the clay season, who beats Nadal, based on the last 2 years? Djokovic and....

Whereas Federer has to battle a lot harder, and nothing comes easily. The question isn't whether Nadal will defend, but rather whether Nadal will gain. Whereas Federer, nothing is really in his favor, especially since Djokovic and Murray have improved their clay levels.

Silly troll, if Nadal drops to number three he could meet Djokovic in semis, not finals, and so would lose even more points, especially if he were to fall in the semis of the FO. he would go from 2000 points to 720 points, a gigantic swing for a guy whos ranking is heavily rooted in that tournament.

[Cup8489]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

When Nadal had beaten Djokovic 5 matches in a row, it didn't seem to matter. Streaks happen, and they still aren't enough to change the future...

You're so delusional it's not even funny, at all. Neither Djokovic nor Federer ever lost 7 matches in a row to Nadal. so in that sense, Djokovic has dominated him for a more extended period than Rafa has either of the other two.

[Gorecki]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

I don't see the point of your delusional trolling, besides getting banned.

Comedy gold...

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