Is Federer suddenly 7 years younger?

[merlinpinpin]

This is uncanny:

* In 2005
Won Doha
SF in Melbourne
Won Rotterdam
Won Dubai
Won Indian Wells

* In 2012
Withdrew in Doha SF (would probably have won if he could have played)
SF in Melbourne
Won Rotterdam
Won Dubai
Won Indian Wells

Let's see if the trend continues in Miami (win in 2005, so we'll soon know).

[King_roger]

Nice thoughts man!
I think it's just because he has nothing to lose this season.. while Djoko has a lot...

[jayoub95]

Yeah i didn't notice that lol. Probs will win Miami.

[sheq]

I didnt notice that neither. Interesting really, I have been aware of Roger is doing something that he couldnt since 2005 or 2006 (even in 2007 he didnt start it that strong).

Lets see if it will keep going..

[Marius_Hancu]

A lot is the aging of the Djoko, Nadal, Murray pretenders' troika

They were really old in IW.

[Rhino]

Awesome, he should win Wimbledon and the US Open then.

[nadalwon2012]

2009: Federer made the final of all 4 slams and won RG and WIM.
2010: Federer won the AO but lost in quarters of RG & WIM.
2011: Federer won no slams but dominated the indoor season.
2012: Federer won no slams.

If Federer doesn't win any slams this year and isn't able to defend all his indoor points, then he is continuing the slide.

On face value some may say Federer is on the rise this year. But look at how Federer started 2010 - he won the AO and made the final of Madrid. What happened after that? He lost in the QF of Roland Garros and QF of Wimbledon. So no matter what kind of form Federer is in early in the season, there really is no way of knowing what will happen when he hits the clay/grass. And what will people be saying if Federer doesn't beat Djokovic at Miami, or doesn't beat Nadal in the final? Sounds like a lot of hype until he actually accomplishes something at a slam.

[sheq]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

2009: Federer made the final of all 4 slams and won RG and WIM.
2010: Federer won the AO but lost in quarters of RG & WIM.
2011: Federer won no slams but dominated the indoor season.
2012: Federer won no slams.

If Federer doesn't win any slams this year and isn't able to defend all his indoor points, then he is continuing the slide.

On face value some may say Federer is on the rise this year. But look at how Federer started 2010 - he won the AO and made the final of Madrid. What happened after that? He lost in the QF of Roland Garros and QF of Wimbledon. So no matter what kind of form Federer is in early in the season, there really is no way of knowing what will happen when he hits the clay/grass. And what will people be saying if Federer doesn't beat Djokovic at Miami, or doesn't beat Nadal in the final? Sounds like a lot of hype until he actually accomplishes something at a slam.

We just say roger has a similar start to his 2005 season. Of course that doesnt mean it will be like this all the season, but you must admit that Federer hadn reached such a form for a long time. I am talking about last 6 months where he won six out of eight tournements ( 1 WTF, 2 ATP 1000, 3 ATP 500 ) Its not like he is winning 250 and 500 ones. He won every big tourneys except AO ( he hadnt won it in 2005 netiher !)

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by sheq

We just say roger has a similar start to his 2005 season. Of course that doesnt mean it will be like this all the season, but you must admit that Federer hadn reached such a form for a long time. I am talking about last 6 months where he won six out of eight tournements ( 1 WTF, 2 ATP 1000, 3 ATP 500 ) Its not like he is winning 250 and 500 ones. He won every big tourneys except AO ( he hadnt won it in 2005 netiher !)

Well he hasn't played Djokovic in 2012. And he's already lost to Nadal at a slam. And he's beaten Nadal in that occasional non-slam. Seems the same as per usual.

[rcglider]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

2009: Federer made the final of all 4 slams and won RG and WIM.
2010: Federer won the AO but lost in quarters of RG & WIM.
2011: Federer won no slams but dominated the indoor season.
2012: Federer won no slams.

If Federer doesn't win any slams this year and isn't able to defend all his indoor points, then he is continuing the slide.

On face value some may say Federer is on the rise this year. But look at how Federer started 2010 - he won the AO and made the final of Madrid. What happened after that? He lost in the QF of Roland Garros and QF of Wimbledon. So no matter what kind of form Federer is in early in the season, there really is no way of knowing what will happen when he hits the clay/grass. And what will people be saying if Federer doesn't beat Djokovic at Miami, or doesn't beat Nadal in the final? Sounds like a lot of hype until he actually accomplishes something at a slam.

Supporting Nadal is one thing. Ignore Fed mad final at RG last year and go on to say he won't will a slam is pure hatred. Nobody say word about your lover Nadal. Why don't you change your name to Fedhater?

[sheq]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

Well he hasn't played Djokovic in 2012. And he's already lost to Nadal at a slam. And he's beaten Nadal in that occasional non-slam. Seems the same as per usual.

Its not roger's fault that Djokovic cant reach finals in these days ! Plus, Federer is about taking down Nadal which will be unusual seeing Rafa as no3 if you want to see something unusual !

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by sheq

Its not roger's fault that Djokovic cant reach finals in these days ! Plus, Federer is about taking down Nadal which will be unusual seeing Rafa as no3 if you want to see something unusual !

I would prefer Nadal was ranked number 3 so he can get more encounters with Djokovic. 16-14 is too close for comfort, so Nadal needs to increase that to 17-14 as soon as possible. Whereas I couldn't care less if Nadal loses to Federer, the h2h is 18-10, and we know Federer doesn't have the ability to beat Nadal in a slam, (except for 2006/2007 Wimbledon when Nadal was still learning how to play on grass - he'd played only 4 matches on grass before 2006).

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by Marius_Hancu

A lot is the aging of the Djoko, Nadal, Murray pretenders' troika

They were really old in IW.

Roger is maturing with age, like wine, the others are just going bad (like this )

[henryshli]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

I would prefer Nadal was ranked number 3 so he can get more encounters with Djokovic. 16-14 is too close for comfort, so Nadal needs to increase that to 17-14 as soon as possible. Whereas I couldn't care less if Nadal loses to Federer, the h2h is 18-10, and we know Federer doesn't have the ability to beat Nadal in a slam, (except for 2006/2007 Wimbledon when Nadal was still learning how to play on grass - he'd played only 4 matches on grass before 2006).

Nadal is still learning how to play tennis

[ART ART]

Maybe he is learning the "methods" of the Spaniards or he's just using the isobaric chamber... just like someone else does ...

[sbengte]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

2009: Federer made the final of all 4 slams and won RG and WIM.
2010: Federer won the AO but lost in quarters of RG & WIM.
2011: Federer won no slams but dominated the indoor season.
2012: Federer won no slams.

If Federer doesn't win any slams this year and isn't able to defend all his indoor points, then he is continuing the slide.

On face value some may say Federer is on the rise this year. But look at how Federer started 2010 - he won the AO and made the final of Madrid. What happened after that?

For the record..after that lung infection happened followed by a slump in form and some injuries until Wimbledon. Federer played Wimbledon 2010 carrying an injury , but since he isn't as great a warrior like Ralph who made the finals in 2011 with a fractured foot, he crashed out in the quarters to Berdych.

Anyway, great and insightful poast. If multiple accounts were allowed on this forum, I would create one for myself named "federerlost2012"

[sheq]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

I would prefer Nadal was ranked number 3 so he can get more encounters with Djokovic. 16-14 is too close for comfort, so Nadal needs to increase that to 17-14 as soon as possible. Whereas I couldn't care less if Nadal loses to Federer, the h2h is 18-10, and we know Federer doesn't have the ability to beat Nadal in a slam, (except for 2006/2007 Wimbledon when Nadal was still learning how to play on grass - he'd played only 4 matches on grass before 2006).

You are too much obsessed with H2H records. I reccomend you to look with some more perspective. dont stuck in H2H's.

[sheq]

Originally Posted by henryshli

Nadal is still learning how to play tennis

good one even if I respect Nadal for what he has able to achieve over the years, people should see the realty.

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by rcglider

Supporting Nadal is one thing. Ignore Fed mad final at RG last year and go on to say he won't will a slam is pure hatred. Nobody say word about your lover Nadal. Why don't you change your name to Fedhater?

I have no idea what you just posted. It looks like a collection of English words.

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by sheq

You are too much obsessed with H2H records. I reccomend you to look with some more perspective. dont stuck in H2H's.

Unfortunately there isn't much to talk about until the slams arrive. H2H is all there is at the moment. The countdown to 16 slams is the only thing more important, but that is not relevant at Indian Wells or Miami.